House of Commons Journal Volume 4
31 March 1645

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 4: 31 March 1645', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 4: 1644-1646 (1802), pp. 94-95. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23357 Date accessed: 18 April 2014. Add to my bookshelf


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Die Lunæ, Martii 31, 1645.

A Letter from the Commissioners of the Army, from Redding, of March 29, 1645, at Midnight, concerning some of the Foot at Farneham, that have mutinied, was this Day read: And

It is Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee of both Kingdoms, to send presently a sufficient Force to reduce these Mutineers mentioned in this Letter to Obedience.

Sent away immediately, together with the Letter.

Mr. Sollicitor and the Lord Lisle are appointed to prepare a Message to be sent unto the Lords, to acquaint them with the Necessity of present expediting Sir Tho. Fairefaxe's Commission.

Mr. Reynolds reports the Amendments to the Ordinance for discharging the Members of both Houses from beating Offices Military or Civil: The which were twice read; and, upon the Question, assented unto.

Three Provisoes were tendered; one, That this Ordinance shall not extend to such Persons, as having Places granted unto them by the King before the Parliament, and by him have been put out for their Service here: The which was twice read; and, upon the Question, assented. One other, concerning such Offices as are executed in Trust to the Benefit of any Member of either House: The which was twice read; and, upon the Question, rejected. Another concerning the Governor of the Isle of Wight: The which was read twice; and, upon the Question, assented unto.

And then the Ordinance, with the Amendments and Provisoes, were, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence.

A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Whittfield and Doctor Aylett;

The Lords do agree to the Letter to be sent to the Queen of Swede which they received from this House; and that it should be signed by the Speakers of both Houses: And have given Order, That their Speaker should sign it; and likewise, that the Commissioners of Scotland should sign it: And have appointed Two of their Lords to move the Scotts Commissioners therein; and desire this House to concurr.

Ordered, That Mr. Speaker do sign the said Letter to the Queen of Swedes.

Sir Hen. Vane, Mr. Sollicitor, Mr. Recorder, Sir Phil. Stapilton, Sir Arthur Hesilrig, Mr. Sam. Browne, are appointed to desire the Scotts Commissioners to sign the said Letter.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and have appointed their Speaker to sign the Letter . . . the Queen of Swedes; and do agree, that the Commissioners of Scotland may be desired likewise to sign it; and have appointed some of their Members to move them herein.

Lord Lisle went to the Lords, to acquaint them with the Necessity of speedy passing the Commission to Sir Tho. Fairefaxe, if they desire to concurr in saving the Kingdom.

The Speaker left the Chair, to the end the whole House might accompany this Message.

Lord Lisle brings Answer, That the Lords will send Answer by Messengers of their own, speedily.

Resolved, &c. That the whole Estate of the Duke of Bucks, real and personal, be forthwith sequestered.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee, formerly appointed to treat with the Committee at Grocers-Hall, to consider, How the Six thousand Pounds for the present, for the Scotts Army in Ireland, may be speedily raised; and likewise how the Arrears of the Two Four thousand Pounds monthly, formerly granted to the British and Scotts Forces in Ireland; either upon the Pictures and Goods in Yorke-House, or otherwise: And that the Proceed of these Goods shall be equally divided to the Lord Fairefax's Army, and the Scotts Army in Ireland: And they have Power to treat with whom they think fit for the Sale of those Goods and Pictures; and with any other Person for the Raising of the Six thousand Pounds presently, and likewise the Arrears of the Two Four thousand Pounds monthly, formerly granted to the British and Scotts Forces in Ireland; and for the Payment of the said Four thousand Pounds monthly for the future; either upon the Credit of the Surplusage of the Eighty thousand Pounds raised by the Ordinance for Ireland, or by some other Ways or Means: And they are likewise to take into Consideration the Ordinance presented by the Committee of Grocers-Hall, now in Colonel Jephson's Hands.

Sir Wm. Strickland and Sir Tho. Widdrington are appointed to treat with the Earl of Northumberland, concerning the agreeing with him, and giving him Satisfaction, for his Interest in the Goods and Pictures at Yorke-House.

A Message from the Lords, by Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath;

The Lords have appointed to fit this Afternoon at Four of Clock; and desire this House to sit at the same time, if it may stand with their Conveniency.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and will fit at Four of Clock, as is desired.

Ordered, That the Papers presented from Don Alonso de Cartenas, the King of Spain's Ambassador, concerning Captain Jackson and Captain Taylor, be referred to the Consideration of the Committee of Lords and Commons for Foreign Affairs: Who have Power to hear the Spanish Ambassador herein; and likewise to receive and offer all such Complaints, as shall be brought unto them, of Injuries done by any of the King of Spaine's Subjects.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Ordered, That Mr. Sollicitor and Mr. Ellys do prepare a Letter, to be signed by Mr. Speaker, to be sent to the Commanders in the Isle of Ely; to desire them to continue their Care for Preservation of that Place; and to assure them, that this House will take special Care for their Supplies.

Ordered, That Sir John Clotworthy go to the Lords, to desire the Lords to join with this House in the Exchange of Colonel Stephens, and Mr. Jones of Ursk, for the Earl of Cleveland.

Resolved, That this House doth declare, That the Lord-Lieutenant of Hampshire, Southampton, and the Isle of Wight, by what Name soever called, is comprehended within the Exception of Lieutenancy in the Ordinance of both Houses of Parliament, for taking away Officers Military and Civil from the Members of Parliament.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Ordered, That the House do fit this Afternoon at Three of the Clock.

Post Meridiem.

UPON a Letter from the Commissioners of both Houses at Uxbridge, of Februarii 21 1644; recommending the Condition of Sir Peter Killigrew; and upon the Petition of Sir Peter Killigrew, this Day read;

It is Resolved, &c. That Three hundred Pounds shall be forthwith advanced and paid to Sir Peter Killigrew by the Committee of the King's Revenue.

Ordered, That the humble Petition of the Mercers and Broad Weavers in and about the City of London be referred to the Consideration of the Committee of Excise.

Resolved, &c. That the Lord Savile shall remove himself out of the Quarters of the Parliament before Saturday next: And that, if he shall be found within the Parliament-Quarters after Saturday next, that he shall be proceeded against as one that adheres to the Enemy.

Ordered, That the Lords Concurrence be desired herein: And that the Lords be acquainted with this Vote at a Conference: And that Mr. Corbett and Mr. Whittacre do manage this Conference; and acquaint the Lords with the State of the Examinations taken in the Case of the Lord Sauile.

Ordered, That the Ordinance for securing the Eighty thousand Pounds, lent by the City, be forthwith printed.

Ordered, That Mr. Reynolds do carry up to the Lords, for their Concurrence, the Ordinance for the Discharging of the Members of both Houses from all Offices, both Military and Civil; and that he desire them to take it into speedy Consideration.

He likewise carried up the Order for the Exchange of the Earl of Cleveland for Colonel Stephens, and Mr. Jones of Ursk.

Mr. Reynolds brings Answer, That the Lords will send Answer to both by Messengers of their own.

A Message from the Lords, by Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath;

The Lords desire a free Conference, concerning the Matter of the last Conference, by Committees of both Houses, To-morrow at Ten of Clock, in the Painted Chamber.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and do agree to a Conference To-morrow at Ten of Clock, as is desired.

The Question being put, Whether Candles should be brought in;

The House was divided.

Mr. Strode, Tellers for the Yea: 51.
Sir Arthur Hesilrig, With the Yea,
Mr. Holles, Tellers for the Noe: 51.
Sir Anth. Irby, With the Noe,

The Affirmatives and Negatives being equal, Mr. Speaker gave his Voice with the Affirmative:

And thereupon Candles were brought in.

The Question was propounded, Whether the Earl of Holland shall remove himself out of the Lines of Communication:

And then the Question being put, Whether this Question should be now put;

The House was divided.

Mr. Strode, Tellers for the Yea: 46.
Sir Arthur Hasilrig, With the Yea,
Mr. Holles, Tellers for the Noe: 52.
Sir Anthony Irby, With the Noe,

So that the Question passed with the Negative.