House of Commons Journal Volume 4
27 October 1645

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 4: 27 October 1645', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 4: 1644-1646 (1802), pp. 322-325. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23529 Date accessed: 02 September 2014.


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Die Lunæ, 27 Octobris, 1645.

Prayers.

SIR Henry Vane reports from the Committee of the Navy, That the Committee, taking notice of an Ordinance of Parliament, of the Fifteenth of October 1642, and of the Intentions of both Houses therein, to provide for the Support and Maintenance of Mr. Giles Greene out of the Customs, in relation to the Charge and Pains of Mr. Greene in those Affairs, which shortly after became fruitless, in regard of the transferring the Receipts of the Customs on other Commissioners; since which Time, Mr. Greene, for want of the Benefit of that Ordinance, and the Loss of his whole Estate by the Enemy, both in Lands and Goods, hath been supported by the Estates of his Children; did therefore think fit, and order, That the House be moved by Sir Henry Vane junior, That, according to the Intent of both Houses, by that Ordinance, Mr. Greene have some convenient Maintenance allowed him, for his Support, from the Time of the Discontinuance of the said Ordinance, being January 1642, not exceeding the Sum of Five hundred Pounds per Annum; the said Payment to continue during the Pleasure of this House; to be paid him by the Committee of the Navy, out of such Monies as are in their Disposing.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth herein concurr with the Committee of the Navy: And that it be, and is hereby Ordered, That the Committee of the Navy do, from January 1642, pay unto Mr. Greene the Sum of Five hundred Pounds per Annum, during the Pleasure of this House.

Resolved, &c. That the Allowance of Four Pounds per Week, formerly allowed to Mr. Greene, out of the Revenue, do, from this Time, cease.

Mr. Ashe reports the Amendments to the Ordinance for the further Securing and Government of the City of Bristoll: The which were twice read; and, upon the Question, assented unto: And the Ordinance, with the Amendments, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent to the Lords for their Concurrence.

A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Ayleffe and Dr. Heath;

The Lords have commanded us to deliver unto you this Petition to the Houses, on the Behalf of Mr. Browne, Clerk of the Parliament, concerning Six hundred Pounds lent by him to the Parliament: The Ordinance for the Iron-Mills to Colonel Massie; to which they do agree, with these Amendments: A Certificate concerning Mr. Owen Cox, to be Master of the Prize-Vessel the Royalist; in which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

The Petition of Mr. Browne's was read: And Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee at Haberdashers-Hall; to examine the Justness of the Debt of Six hundred Pounds, mentioned in the Petition: And that, in case the same, or any Part thereof, be unsatisfied, they do take speedy Course to pay the same.

The Amendments to the Ordinance for the Iron-Mills for Colonel Massie were read; and, upon the Question, assented unto.

The Report from the Committee of the Admiralty and Cinque-Ports, for making Owen Coxe Master of the PrizeVessel the Royalist, to be employed in the Parliament's Service, was read: And

It is Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree with the Lords, in the Making of the said Owen Coxe Master of the said Prize-Vessel the Royalist, to be employed in the Service of the Parliament, as aforesaid.

Ordered, That the Words or Goldsmiths-Hall" be added to the Ordinance of 18 , Octobris 1645, concerning One thousand Pounds to be paid for the Relief of certain Officers, Soldiers Wives, and Widows.

An Ordinance to discharge the Grantees of the Wardship of William Penn, of and from all Monies due, or to grow due, for or by reason of the Wardship of his Body or Lands, in Consideration of the Sum of Eight hundred Pounds, to be presently paid by them, for the Use of the Garisons of Windsor and Henley, to be equally divided between the said Garisons, was this Day read the First and Second time; and, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent to the Lords for their Concurrence.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee of both Kingdoms, to consider of the Information this Day given to the House, concerning the King's raising Horse and Forces in the Three Counties of Oxon, Bucks, and Berks; and to take some Course to prevent it; and for the Relief of the said Counties.

Resolved, &c. That the Members of both Houses, that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms, do forthwith grant a Commission to Colonel Dalbyer, to command the Forces in Chief that are to be employed against Dennington-Castle: And that they grant him a Commission to execute Martial Law.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Whereas Nicolas Cholmley Esquire lent the Sum of Nineteen hundred Pounds, for the special Service of the Parliament; the same, nor any Part thereof, having been since satisfied, nor any Interest for the Forbearance thereof; and the said Cholmley being deceased, and his Executor in great Want thereof; yet, considering the present Necessities of the State, doth humbly pray, That, at least, the Interest thereof may be paid: It is thereupon Ordered, by the Lords and Commons, in Parliament assembled, That the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies, sitting at Haberdashers-Hall, do satisfy and pay unto the Executor of the said Mr. Cholmley the full Interest for the Forbearance of the said Nineteen hundred Pounds, after the Rate of Eight Pounds per Centum; unless it can be made appear, that any Part of the Principal, or Interest, hath been already satisfied.

Mr. Bainton presents to the House the original Indictment of Sir Edward Baynton, and Mr. Robert Niclas, Members of Parliament, and others, at Salisbury, of HighTreason, for Matters which they did by Authority of Parliament; and that one Swanton was the Clerk of the Assizes: And that one Michael Tidcomb, of the Devises in Com' Wiltes, prosecuted the Business against them.

Resolved, &c. That Francis Swanton, and Michael Tidcomb, be forthwith sent for, as Delinquents, by the Serjeant at Arms attending on this House.

A Letter from Colonel Thomas Morgan, Governor of Gloucester, and from Sir Trevour Williams, from Monmouth, of October 24 , was this Day read; relating the Taking of the Town and Castle of Monmouth: And likewise, a Letter from Colonel Thomas Morgan, the Governor of Gloucester; relating, That he had appointed Sir Trevour Williams Governor of the Town and Castle of Monmouth.

Resolved, &c. That Sir Trevour Williams be continued Governor of Monmouth-Castle: And that the Members of both Houses, that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms, do grant him a Commission accordingly.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

The House being informed, That Mr. Watson, Clerk to Colonel Morgan, was at the Door;

He was called in; and farther informed the House, of the Manner of taking in Monmouth-Castle.

Ordered, That the Committee of Gloucester do forthwith pay unto Mr. Watson the Sum of Twenty Pounds, bestowed upon him by the House, for his Pains in bringing this good News.

Ordered, That the Letters from Gloucester, delivered this Day, be referred to the Committee of the West, and the Committee of Gloucester; to be considered of.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth nominate and approve of Colonel Thomas Morgan to be Commander in Chief of all the Forces of the County of Gloucester: And that the Members of both Houses, that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms, do grant him a Commission accordingly.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Resolved, &c. That, on the next Lord's Day, publick Thanks shall be given to Almighty God, in all the Churches and Chapels within the Lines of Communication, and weekly Bills of Mortality, for the great Blessings and Success it hath pleased God to give the Parliament's Forces in Wales, in the taking in, and reducing to the Obedience of the Parliament, the Town and Castle of Carmarthen; and for the Taking in and Reducing of the Town and Castle of Monmouth: And that Mr. Alderman Pennyngton and Colonel Venne do acquaint the Lord Mayor with this Order.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Ordered, That in all Cases, where the Parliament have or shall appoint any to command any Forces in Chief, that, upon the Granting or Issuing of any such Commissions, a Proviso, or Clause, be inserted, That they be subordinate to Sir Thomas Fairfax the General.

Ordered, That such Monies as have been, or hereafter shall be, received by Sir Walter Erle, out of the additional Excise for Land-Service, shall be by him issued and laid out, for the Furnishing of the publick Stores in the Tower, with the Consent and Approbation of the Committee appointed to take care for the Furnishing of the said Stores.

The Lords and Commons, in Parliament assembled, do Declare and Ordain, That the Ordinance, bearing Date the Fifteenth Day of July 1644, concerning the Safety of the Isle of Wight, in the County of Southampton, shall have Continuance for and during the Space of Six Months, from the First of November next, and no longer.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Resolved, &c. That John Finch Esquire, Brother to the Earl of Winchelsea, shall have Mr. Speaker's Warrant, to travel beyond Seas for Three Years, with Two Servants, and Three Nags.

An Ordinance concerning such as come out of the King's Quarters was this Day read the First and Second time; and, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent to the Lords for their Concurrence.

Answer returned by the same Messengers;

The House hath considered your Message: And, as to Mr. Browne's Petition, they have taken it into Consideration; and will send Answer by Messengers of their own: And, as to the Ordinance for Colonel Massie, and the Report concerning Captain Cox, they do agree.

A Message from the Lords, by Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath;

The Lords have commanded us to deliver you an Order from the Committee of both Kingdoms, to make Colonel Dolbier to command in Chief the Forces appointed for the Service against Dennington-Castle: An Ordinance for makeing Mr. Norfolk Serjeant at Arms. They have sent you their Sense in this Paper, concerning Mr. Hancock: And they desire the Word "junior" may be added to the Ordinance for making Alexander Thistlethwaite Esquire to be High-Sheriff of the County of Wiltes.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree with the Lords, that the Word "junior" be added to the Ordinance for making Mr. Thistlethwaite High-Sheriff of Wiltes.

Sir Robert Pye went to the Lords, to desire a Conference, concerning the imparting the Letters and Papers taken at the late Fight near Sherborne in Yorkshire.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House hath considered their Lordships Message: And, as to the Word "junior," to be added to the Ordinance for Mr. Thistlethwaite, they do agree: And, as to the rest, will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Sir Robert Pye brings Answer, That the Lords do agree to a Conference, as is desired, presently, in the Painted Chamber; and to the Order for a Publick Thanksgiving: They do agree to the Addition of the Words "or Goldsmiths-Hall" to the Ordinance of Sabbati, Octobris 18 1645.

Ordered, &c. That my Lord Mayor be desired to let this House know, What he hath done upon an Order formerly sent to him from this House, concerning the Election of Elders.

Sir Robert Harley and Mr. Spurstoe are appointed forthwith to go to my Lord Mayor with this Order.

Resolved, &c. That a Message be sent to the Assembly of Divines, to desire them to present to this House such other notorious and scandalous Sins, in particular, for which they desire, that Persons guilty thereof may be suspended from the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper.

Sir Robert Harley and Mr. Tate to acquaint the Assembly of Divines with this Order.

Ordered, &c. That the Committee concerning Propositions do sit To-morrow, till Eleven of Clock: And that then Mr. Speaker do take the Chair: And that then the Declaration, this Day presented by Mr. Lisle, be read, the First Business.

Mr. Tate desiring to know of the House the Order that should be observed by him, concerning the Delivery of the Letters and Papers taken at Sherborne near Yorke, at this Conference; he thereupon delivered to the Clerk, to be kept, the Copies of these Letters following; viz. A Copy of the King's Letter to Prince Rupert, of Julii 31 1645: A Copy of his Majesty's Letter, in his own Hand, to the Marquis of Ormond, sans Date: A Draught of a Letter for Commission, &c. to the Marquis of Ormond, of Maii 22 : Copy of the King's Letter to Marquis Ormond, concerning M. Clanricard: A Copy of a Paper, thus indorsed, " 66. Digby, to Germyn," but blotted out: A Copy of the King's Letter, in his own Hand, to my Lord Marquis Ormond, of Julii 31 1645: A Copy of an Oath, marked "43:" A Draught of a Letter for the Earl of Thomond, &c. to the Marquis Ormond, of May 22 1645: Newarke Gentlemens Petition, Mark on "73:" King's Letter to Sir John Price, Governor of Mountgomery, of Maii 17 1645: And was appointed to desire the Lords, That, after they had perused these Letters, they might be communicated to the Committee of both Kingdoms; and that the Cyphers might be forthwith delivered unto Mr. Weckerlyn and Mr. Frost, to be kept for the Use and Service of both Houses of Parliament, and of the Committee of both Kingdoms.

Letters and Papers delivered to the Lords, Seven-andtwentieth of October 1645, by Order of the House of Commons.

1. One Letter marked with the Sign 1, dat. 29 Sept. 1645.
2. One other marked 2, dat. 12th Sept. 1645.
3. dat. 13 Sept. 1645.
4. dat. Sept. 1645.
5. dat. 12 Sept. 1645.
6. No Date.
16. dat. 20 Julii 1645.
17. dat. 19 Julii 1645.
18. dat. 19 Julii 1645.
19. dat. 18 Julii 1645.
20. dat. 8 Julii 1645.
21. dat. 29 Junii 1645.
22. dat. 22 Junii 1645.
23. dat. 23 Junii 1645.
24. dat. 18 Junii 1645.
25. dat. 28 Maii 1645.
27. dat. 22 Maii 1645.
29. dat. 19 Maii 1645.
30. dat. 13 Maii 1645.
33. dat. 13 Maii 1645.
34. dat. 12 Maii 1645.
35. dat. 13 Maii 1645.
36. dat. 17 Maii 1645. Letter to Sir John Price.
37. dat. 13 Maii 1645.
38. dat. 6 Maii 1645.
39. dat. 6 Maii 1645.
40. No Date. Four Papers tyed together.
41. dat. 8 Oct. 1645.
42. dat. 4 Oct. 1645.
43. No Date.
44. No Date.
45. No Date.
46. No Date.
47. dat. 6 Oct. 1645.
48. No Date.
49. No Date.
7. dat. 10 Sept. 1645.
8. No Date.
9. dat. 9 Sept. 1645.
10. dat. 6 Sept. 1645.
11. dat. 9 Sept. 1645.
12. dat. 4 Sept. 1645.
13. dat. 11 Aug. 1645.
14. dat. 4 Aug. 1645.
15. dat. 3. Aug. 1645.
50. dat. 2 Oct. 1645.
51. dat. 7 Oct. 1645.
52. dat. 8 Oct. 1645.
53. No Date.
54. No Date.
55. No Date.
56. dat. 11 Oct. 1645.
57. No Date.
59. No Date.
60. dat. 10 Oct. 1645.
61. No Date.
62. No Date.
63. No Date.
64. dat. 17 Maii 1645.
65. No Date.
140. No Date.
141. No Date.
69. dat. 21 Sept. 1645.
70. dat. 1 Aug. 1645.
71. No Date.
72. dat. 1 Oct. 1645.
74. No Date.
75. No Date.
76. No Date.
77. dat. 6 Oct. 1645.
78. No Date.
79. No Date.
81. No Date.
82. dat. 10 Sept. 1645.
83. No Date.

Resolved, &c. That the House do meet this Afternoon, to consider of, and hear, Petitions from the Committee of Petitions, where Mr. Goodwyn hath the Chair.

Sir John Wraye carried to the Lords, for their Concurrence, the Vote for One thousand Five hundred Pounds per Annum, to the Earl of Rutland, out of the Lord Viscount Campden's Estate; and the Vote for Colonel Dalbier to command in Chief the Forces against DenningtonCastle.

Sir John Wray brings Answer, That the Lords do agree in both.

Post Meridiem.

Ordered, &c. That Oliver St. John Esquire, his Majesty's Sollicitor-General, be hereby authorized and required to prepare a Bill, containing a Grant of the Office or Place of Master or Keeper of the Rolls, to Wm. Lenthall Esquire, Speaker of the Commons House, according to the Tenor of the Ordinance of Parliament to him, of the said Place: And that the Commissioners of the Great Seal of England do pass the said Grant, under the said Great Seal, accordingly.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein: And Mr. Samuel Browne is to carry this Order to the Lords.

Ordered, &c. That Sir Henry Heyman shall have Leave to go into the Country for Fourteen Days: And that his Attendance in the Service of the House be, during that Time, dispensed with.

Ordered, &c. That Sir John Holland, a Member of this House, now in the Parts beyond the Seas, shall have Leave to come over when he can conveniently, notwithstanding any former Order.

Whereas, upon Information given by Captain Henry Hazard, That he hath discovered the Estate of Delinquents and Papists, not yet sequestred before the Lords and Commons at Haberdashers-Hall, or discovered;

It is this Day Ordered, That, upon Proof of the Delinquency of the said Persons, and of the Estate belonging to them, the said Captain Hazard shall have the One half, towards the Payment of his Arrears, and the Remainder thereof to be employed by the Committee of the West, for the Relief of the Widow of Henry Bridges, and his Ten Children, he dying in the Parliament's Service; provided that the Whole do not exceed the Sum of Five hundred Pounds: And that Forty Pounds be advanced, upon the Credit of this Order, for the present Support of the said Widow, and her Children, in the mean time, by the Committee of Haberdashers-Hall.

Lords Concurrence * * * *.

Ordered, &c. That the Committee to whom the Ordinance concerning Mr. Job Gray was referred, or any Four of them, do meet thereupon; and report the same to the House, on Friday next.

Mr. Goodwyn reports several Petitions from the Committee for Petitions: And,

Upon the humble Petition of George Tapper, Stablekeeper at the White Horse against the Listed House at Mooregate;

It is Ordered, &c. That the Sum of One hundred Twenty-eight Pounds Nineteen Shillings and Eight-pence be charged upon the Receipts of the Excise, in Course, for the Payment and Satisfaction of the said George Tapper: And, that an Ordinance be brought in by Mr. Blackeston accordingly.

Upon the Petition of divers Inhabitants of the SummerIslands;

It is Ordered, &c. That the Inhabitants of the SummerIslands, and such others as shall join themselves to them, shall, without any Molestation or Trouble, have and enjoy the Liberty of their Consciences, in Matters of God's Worship, as well in those Parts of Amiraca where they are now planted, as in all others, Parts of Amiraca, where hereafter they may be planted; until this House shall otherwise order. And

It is further Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee of Lords and Commons for Plantations, to see this Order put in due Execution.

Upon the humble Petition of the Governor and Company of Merchants of London, trading into the East-Indies, desiring that they might have the Estate of John Muckwell, employed by them who betrayed and brought back their Ship and Goods to the King's Party;

The Question being put, Whether the Company shall have the Estate of John Muckwell, in their Hands, or which they could now, or hereafter should discover;

It passed with the Negative.

Upon the humble Petition of the Governor and Company of Merchants, London, trading into the East-Indies;

Ordered, &c. That the Ordinance concerning the EastIndia Company, now in Mr. Greene's Hand, be reported on this Day Sevennight, peremptorily, between the Hours of Ten and Twelve.

Upon the humble Petition of Elizabeth, the Relict of Timothy Pinckney Esquire, deceased;

It is Ordered, That...Committee of the Revenue do pay unto Elizabeth Pinkney, Widow, the Sum of Thirtyfive Pounds, in full of the Arrears of the Pension of Twenty Pounds per Annum, payable to her deceased Husband.

Ordered, &c. That the Sequestrations of the Estates of such Delinquents not yet discovered, as shall be discovered by the Northern Committee, not exceeding the Sum of Ten thousand Pounds, shall be employed for the Pay of the Arrears of the Soldiers of the County of Yorke.

Upon the humble Petition of Susan Abercromy, Widow;

It is Ordered, &c. That this House doth agree with the Committee, That Susan Abercromy, Widow, shall have the Sum of One hundred Pounds, out of the Fine of such Delinquent as she shall propound to the Committee of Goldsmiths-Hall: And the Committee of Goldsmiths-Hall are desired, upon the Credit of this Order, to advance to her the Sum of Twenty Pounds, for her present Maintenance. And

It is further Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee of Accompts, to audit what is due to her, for the Arrears of the Pay to her deceased Husband.

Upon the humble Petition of Dame Mary Lydcott;

It is Ordered, &c. That it be referred back to the same Committee, to hear the Lady Brooke and the Lady Lydcott, upon the whole Business; and reconcile them, if it may be; if otherwise, to give such Directions therein, as shall be agreeable to Law: And the Committee are to inquire, What other Estate Sir John Brooke had in any other County.

The humble Petition of Thomas Mackland, James Wainewright, Peter Deyman, and divers other well-affected Citizens of London, was this Day read. And

It is Ordered, &c. That this whole Business be referred to the Court of Admiralty: And that the Goods may be forthwith sold, or otherwise disposed of, by the Petitioners, they putting in good Security, that they will stand to the Order of the Court.

The humble Petition of Edward Lord Gorges, and Dame Jane his Wife, was this Day read: And

It is Ordered, &c. That this Petition be referred to the Committee of the Revenue; to do therein as they shall think fit.

The humble Petition of William Smithesby Esquire was this Day read: And

It is Ordered, That this Petition be referred to the Committee of the Revenue; to do therein, as they shall think fitting.

Ordered, &c. That the Committee for Petitions shall not receive, or do any thing, upon any Petitions that concerns the King's Revenue; but that such Petition as are already come in to that Committee, or hereafter shall come, be referred and left to the Committee of the Revenue; to do therein, as they shall think fit.