House of Commons Journal Volume 4
13 November 1645

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 4: 13 November 1645', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 4: 1644-1646 (1802), pp. 340-341. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23543 Date accessed: 30 August 2014.


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Die Jovis, Novembris 13 , 1645.

Prayers.

THE Grand Committee of the House, according to former Order, proceeded to take into Consideration the Business concerning Propositions to be sent to his Majesty, for a safe and well-grounded Peace.

Sir Thomas Widdrington in the Chair.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

The Amendments, sent from the Lords, to the Ordinance concerning the Discharge of the Fine and Rent for the Wardship of Mr. William Penn, were this Day read and, upon the Question, assented unto.

An Ordinance for Securing and Payment of the Sum of One thousand Pounds, in Course, out of the Receipts of the Excise, unto Alderman Andrewes and Thomas Fowler Merchant, lent and advanced by them for the Service of the Forces of the County of Monmouth, with Interest for the same, at the End of every Six Months, until the Principal shall be satisfied, was this Day read; and upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent to the Lords for their Concurrence.

Mr. Herbert is to carry this Ordinance to the Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath;

The Lords have commanded us to deliver unto you this Message, Yesterday: They then desired a Conference to be this Day Morning at Ten of the Clock, in the Painted Chamber, concerning a Letter received from the Governor of Flanders; and that Mr. Doctor Walker may be heard to make a Narrative of his Employment there, about the Affairs which he had given him in Charge by the Houses of Parliament:-A Letter from the Scotts Commissioners, from Worcester-House:-The Ordinance concerning such as come in from the Enemies Quarters: They agree to it, with these Additions and Amendments. They send you likewise a Report from the Committee of Ireland; to which they do agree, and desire your Concurrence. They have returned the Ordinance concerning Convent-Garden Church; with some Amendments: To which they desire your Concurrence.

The Lords Desire concerning the Conference, was read: And, upon the Question,

Resolved, &c. That this House will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

The Letter from the Scotts Commissioners, from Worcester-House, was read; and was to the same Purposes of a Letter to this House Yesterday, from the said Commissioners; which was then ordered to be this Day taken into Consideration.

The Amendments to the Ordinance concerning such as come in from the Enemies Quarters were read; and, upon the Question, assented unto.

The Report from the Committee of Lords and Commons for Ireland was read; and was, That Directions might be given from both Houses, to their Commissioners residing in the Province of Ulster in the Kingdom of Ireland, to require, from the Officers of the Scottish Army there, who keep the Town of Belfast as a Garison of theirs, though not included in the Articles of Treaty concluded on by the Two Kingdoms, the Delivery of the said Town to such Persons as shall be appointed by the Parliament of England, or any Committee authorized by them to receive the same: And, upon the Question,

Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree with the Lords; and approve of the said Report; and concurr with the said Committee therein.

Mr. Holles, Sir John Clothworthy, Mr. Knightley, are appointed to prepare a Letter to be sent from both Houses to the Parliament of Scotland, to represent the whole Business concerning the Keeping of the Town of Belfast in Ireland, by the Officers of the Scottish Army there; and to desire the Re-delivery thereof to such Persons as shall be appointed by the Parliament of England, or to any Committee to be by them authorized to receive the same.

The Amendments to the Ordinance concerning the Church of Convent-Garden were read: And, upon the Question,

Ordered, That the former Committee for this Ordinance be revived: And that they do meet To-morrow at Two of the Clock in the Afternoon, in the ExchequerChamber: And that these Amendments be committed to this Committee: And they are to report this Ordinance on Monday next.

Answer returned by the same Messengers;

The House hath considered your Message: And, as to the Amendments to the Ordinance concerning such as come in from the Enemies Quarters, and the Report from the Committee of Lords and Commons for Ireland, they do agree: And, as to rest, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

A Message from the Lords, by Mr. Page and Doctor Aylett;

The Lords have commanded us to bring you the Earl of Chesterfield's Petition: They have referred it to the Committee of Lords and Commons for Sequestrations; and desire your Concurrence in it. They have returned the Ordinance for Five thousand . . . . . . Loan for Plymouth: To which they do agree, with these Amendments; and desire your Concurrence:-A Report, from the Committee of both Kingdoms, concerning the Army: To which they have agreed; and desire your Concurrence:-And the Ordinance concerning the Governor of Aylesbury: To which they likewise agree, with these Amendments; and desire your Concurrence.

The Report from the Committee of both Kingdoms, of the Paper from the Committee of the Army, was read; and was, concerning Assigning of a Convoy for the Recruits of Foot now at Reading, which are appointed for Recruiting of Major-General Skippon's Regiment, and for deferring the Raising of Recruits for the present, until further Order.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth concurr with the Lords; and Order, That the Committee of both Kingdoms do appoint a Party of the Horse under the Command of Colonel Jeptson to convoy the Recruits of Foot for Serjeant Major-General Skippon's Regiment now at Readeing, within One Day's March of Bristoll: And that the Committee of the Army do gratify those Horse that shall be appointed for this Service for their Pains.

Ordered, That the Committee of the Army do forthwith write and send Letters to the respective Committees of the several Counties where any Proportions of Recruits are to be levied, and are not yet come up to the Rendesvous, to suspend the present Levying and Sending up of such Recruits until further Order.

Ordered, That the other Particulars of this Message from the Lords be taken into Consideration on Monday Morning, the first Business: And that Mr. Speaker do put the House in mind hereof.

Answer returned by the same Messengers;

The House hath considered your Message; and, as to the Paper from the Committee of the Army, reported from the Committee of both Kingdoms, they do agree: And, as to the rest, they will take them into speedy Consideration; and send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Mr. Robert Goodwyn presented, from the Committee, the Draught of a Letter to be sent to the Parliament of Scottland, demanding the Garisons to be removed out of the Towns, Castles, and Places, put into them by the Scotts, without the Consent of both Houses of Parliament, or their Committee: The which was read.

The Question was propounded, Whether a Day certain shall be mentioned in this Letter:

And then the Question being put, Whether this Question should be now put;

It passed with the Affirmative.

The Question being put, Whether a Day certain shall be mentioned in this Letter;

The House was divided.

The Yeas went forth.

Sir Hen. Vane junior, Tellers for the Yea: 74.
Mr. Pierrepont, With the Yea,
Mr. Holles, Tellers for the Noe: 61.
Sir Philip Stapleton, With the Noe,

Resolved, &c. That a Day certain shall be mentioned in this Letter.

Resolved, &c. That these Words, "and to the end that the Kingdom of Scotland may not be streightened in Time, they desire this may be done before the First of March next," shall be added in this Letter.

The Letter was put to the Question; and, upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence.

Ordered, &c. That Mr. Speaker do take the Chair To-morrow at Ten of the Clock: And that the Answer to the Scotts Papers, and the Letter from the Scotts Commissioners, from Worcester-House, of November the Twelfth, be taken into Consideration, the first Business: And that Mr. Speaker put the House in mind hereof.

Ordered, &c. That, on Saturday Morning next, the first Business, Mr. Scawen do make Report concerning the Army.

Ordered, &c. That, on Monday Morning next, Sir Robert Harley do make Report from the Committee of Privileges.