House of Commons Journal Volume 4
14 November 1645


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Die Veneris, 14 Novembris, 1645.


THE Grand Committee for Religion, according to former Order, took into Consideration the Paper presented to the House, from the Assembly of Divines, by Mr. Marshall, touching some more Particulars to be added to the Catalogue of scandalous Offenders who are to be suspended from the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper.

Mr. Whittacre in the Chair.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Ordered, That the Papers, and the Business of the Remonstrance, upon an Answer desired to be given concerning the Lending of Fifteen thousand Pounds by the City for the Service of Ireland, presented to the House by Mr. Alderman Fowke, from the Common-Council, be taken into Consideration on Monday Morning next.

Mr. Herbert brings Answer from the Lords, That the Lords do agree to the Ordinance for One thousand Pounds, out of the Excise, for the County of Monmouth.

Mr. Robert Goodwyn carried to the Lords, for their Concurrence, the Letter to be sent from both Houses to the Parliament of Scotland: Two Letters to be sent from both Houses to the King of Denmarke; and Instructions amended for the Agent who is to carry those Letters: And a Letter to the Marquis of Brandenburgh.

A Message from the Lords, by Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath;

The Lords have commanded us to bring unto you this Ordinance: It is for Appointing of Mr. Samuel Smith Prothonotary of the Chancery, in the place of Mr. Thomas Hussey. They desire to put you in mind of an Ordinance concerning Sir Robert Sharpie; of the Names to be added to the Committees of Denbigh; of the Order concerning the Vice-Admiral Captain Batten; and of the Votes, formerly sent from the Lords, concerning Hancocke. They have sent you an Order of the Committee of Lords and Commons for the Admiralty and Cinque-Ports, concerning Prohibitions to the Admiralty. They have appointed a Committee of Five Lords, and desire a proportionable Number of this House may be appointed to meet with them, in the Prince's Lodgings, on Monday at Three of the Clock in the Afternoon, to consider of the said Paper.

Answer returned by the same Messengers;

The House hath considered of your Message; and, being at present upon Debate of a very great Business, will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Ordered, That the Particulars of the Report, sent this Day from the Lords, be taken into Consideration on Monday next, in the Afternoon.

An Order, sent from the Lords, concerning a Committee for Accommodation in Matters of Difference concerning Church-Government, was read; and was in hæc verba; viz. "Ordered, by the Lords and Commons, in Parliament assembled, That the Committee of Lords and Commons, appointed to treat with the Commissioners of Scotland, and the Committee of the Assembly, do take into Consideration the Differences in Opinion of the Members of the Assembly in point of Church-Government, and to endeavour an Union, if it be possible; and, in case that cannot be done, to endeavour the finding out some way, How far tender Consciences, who cannot in all Things submit to the common Rule which shall be established, may be borne with, according to the Word, and as may stand with the publick Peace, that so the Proceedings of the Assembly may not be so much retarded;" and was, upon the Question, passed; and assented unto.

Mr. Goodwyn was to acquaint the Lords with the Concurrence of this House to this Order; and to desire them to appoint a Time, when this Committee shall meet; and that the Assembly of Divines may be acquainted with the same.

Ordered, That the Committee of Examinations do this Afternoon send for the Printer that printed a Book, intituled, "A Collection of divers Papers, presented unto the Houses of Parliament, by the Commissioners of Scotland, since May last 1645," and examine him, By what Direction or Authority the same was printed: And the Committee are to give the House an Account hereof Tomorrow Morning.

Mr. Robert Goodwyn brings Answer from the Lords, That they have appointed the Committee for Accommodation of Differences in Matters concerning Church-Government, to meet at Two of the Clock in the Afternoon on Monday, in the Jerusalem-Chamber: They do agree to the Letter that is to be sent from both Houses to the Parliament of Scotland: And as to the Letters to be sent to the King of Denmarke, and the Instructions and the Letter to be sent to the Marquis of Brandenburgh, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Ordered, That Mr. William Rowe, Secretary to the Commissioners that were sent from both Houses to the Parliament of Scotland, shall carry the Letter, and other Particulars, to be now sent from both Houses to the Parliament of Scotland, concerning the Delivery up of the English Garisons now in the Possession of the Scotts Forces; and desire an Answer to the said Letter; and return with all Diligence: And

It is further Ordered, That it be referred to the said Commissioners of both Houses, to dispatch him accordingly; and to send Duplicates by another Hand for more Security, if they shall so think fit: And that the Committee of the Revenue do furnish the Monies for the Charge of this Journey and Employment.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Commissioners that went from both Houses to the Parliament of Scotland, concerning the Delivery of the English Garisons in the Possession of the Scotts Forces, to dispatch their Secretary Mr. Rowe away with the Letter, to be sent from both Houses, to the Parliament of Scotland, and the other Papers, mentioned in the said Letter, with all Speed; and to send any other Messenger with the Duplicates thereof, in case these should miscarry, if they see Cause.

The House being informed, That some of the Assembly of Divines were at the Door;

They were called in: And Mr. Wilson acquainted the House, That, according to a former Order of this House, they had perused the Psalms set out by Mr. Rouse; and, as they are now altered and amended, do conceive, they may be useful to the Church.

Resolved, &c. That this Book of Psalms, set forth by Mr. Rouse, and perused by the Assembly of Divines, be forthwith printed: And that it be referred to Mr. Rouse, to take care for the Printing thereof: And that none do presume to print it, but such as shall be authorized by him.

The House, according to former Order, resumed the Consideration of the Answer to the Scotts Papers.

And the Clause, expressing the not sparing our own Members, was, by Question, ordered to be left out.

And then the whole Clause, beginning with the Word "before," in the Nineteenth Line, and ending with the Word "Assessments," in the Thirtieth Line, was, upon the Question, assented unto: And

It is Ordered, That the further Consideration of this Answer be resumed on Monday next, at Ten of Clock, peremptorily: And that Mr. Speaker put the House in mind hereof.