Die Sabbati, 10 Januarii, 1645.
MR. Lisle makes his Report concerning the Forces
A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edward Leech and
The Lords have commanded us to deliver unto you this
Report from the Committee of both Kingdoms, and this
Order upon it; in which they desire your Concurrence: It
is for the Conferring of some Command upon Sir Trevour
Williams and Colonel Morgan; and likewise a Letter from
the Commissioners from Nottingham, of Januarii 4 :
Which they especially recommend unto the serious Consideration of this House.
The Lords Order concerning Sir Trevour Williams and
Captain Morgan was read; and by this House assented
The Letter from the Commissioners from Nottingham,
of Januarii 4 ; and the Remonstrance of Colonel-General
Poynze; were read: And
It is Ordered, &c. That this Letter and Remonstrance
be referred to the Committee of the Northern Association,
where Sir Thomas Widdrington hath the Chair; to consider
of something, and to offer it to the House, that may be
conferred upon Colonel-General Poynze, in respect of his
good Services; and to settle his own personal Entertainment; and a Maintenance for a Scoutmaster-General,
Spies, and other incident Charges.
An Ordinance for reimbursing and securing out of the
Receipts of the Excise, Two thousand Five hundred Pounds,
with Interest, to such as shall advance and lend the same;
being the Residue of Five thousand Pounds, charged formerly upon the Receipts of the Excise, for the Service of
Colonel-General Poynts his Forces, was this Day read; and
upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent unto
the Lords for their Concurrence.
Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this
House hath considered their Lordships Message: And, as
to the Order concerning Sir Trevour Williams, and Colonel
Antony Morgan, they do agree: And, as to the Business
concerning Colonel-General Poynts, they have taken it into
Consideration; and will speedily send Answer by Messengers of their own.
Resolved, &c. That this House doth concurr with the
Lords; and doth order, That Sir Trevour Williams shall have
the Command of the Forces in the County of Monmouth:
And that Colonel Antony Morgan shall speedily have a
Regiment for the Service of the Kingdom, and especially
for the Service of Wales.
Ordered, &c. That the Committee for Ammunition do
out of the publick Stores, speedily furnish Two Ton of
Match, for the Service of the Forces of Dorsettshire.
Mr. Lisle reported the Business concerning the Horse
The Report from the Lords likewise, concerning those
Forces, was likewise read.
Resolved, &c. That the Report concerning the Forces
before Dennington, under Colonel Dolbier, be recommitted
to the same Committee; to confer, upon the whole Report,
with the Committee of both Kingdoms, What is fit to be
done therein; and to report their Opinions to the House.
Ordered, &c. That, on Thursday Morning next, the first
Business, the Grand Committee of the whole House do sit,
to examine the Business concerning Mr. Long and Mr. Allen: And that then likewise, the Business referred to the
Committee of Examinations, concerning one that spake
Words in Disgrace of the Ordinances of Parliament, be
reported: And the Business complained of by Mr. Cawley,
ordered for that Day, is likewise referred to the Examination of the said Committee.
A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edward Leech and
The Lords have sent you this Report from the Committee of both Kingdoms: It is concerning Propositions
for the Scotts Army: They desire you would take it into
speedy Consideration, because the Quartermaster-General
stays in Town, on purpose, expecting a Dispatch therein.
The humble Petition of Peter Baxter, Serjeant-Major,
and Captain of Hurst-Castle in the County of Southampton,
was this Day read: And
It is Ordered, &c. That it be referred to the Committee
of Hants, to consider of an Establishment, and settled Maintenance, of the additional Soldiers of Hurst-Castle in the
County of Southampton.
Ordered, &c. That the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies, at Haberdashers-Hall, do
pay unto Serjeant-Major Peter Baxter, Captain of Hurst-Castle, upon Accompt, Two hundred Pounds, to be deducted out of the Arrears due unto him, upon his Entertainment.
Answer returned by the same Messengers;
The House hath considered your Message; and will send
Answer by Messengers of their own.
Ordered, &c. That Mr. Greene do make the Report
concerning the Business of the Excise, on Tuesday Morning next, the first Business: And that Mr. Speaker do put
the House in mind hereof.
Ordered, &c. That the House do sit on Tuesday next,
in the Afternoon, to receive the Reports for such Compositions at the Committee of Goldsmiths-Hall, as have been
made according to the Rules and Directions of this House,
and submitted to by the Persons who have made the said
Ordered, &c. That the Reports for such Compositions
and Fines as have been set by Order of this House, or otherwise, and do differ from the Rules and Directions for Compositions, be made on Saturday Morning next, the first
Business: And that Mr. Speaker do put the House in mind
The Letter from the Commissioners of both Houses residing with the Scotts Army, of the Third of January
1645, from Nottingham, formerly read the Fifth of this
instant January, was this Day read again.
Several Letters and Papers inclosed in the said Letter,
and sent up to the Parliament from the said Commissioners,
being the Transaction of several Passages between them and
Lieutenant-General David Lesley, concerning the Pay and
Musters of the Scotts Army; and the Petition and Desires
of the Gentlemen and Inhabitants of the County of Nottingham, on the North-side Trent, concerning the said
Army; were all this Day read.
Ordered, &c. That the Commissioners of both Houses
residing with the Scotts Army, upon Musters, do provide
for and pay, according to the Treaty, such Scotts Horse
and Foot, being Scotchmen, as are now before Newarke.
A Letter from the Scotts Commissioners, concerning the
Pay and Provisions of their Army, of 10 January 1645,
was this Day read.
Sir John Evelyn reports, from the Committee to whom
the Scotts Paper, of the Sixth of this instant January, . . . . .
Reasons to be offered, Why the Scottish Horse shall be reduced to the Number of the Treaty: The which were
read; and were as followeth; viz.
By the Treaty of 29 Novembris 1643, concerning the
Bringing in of the Scottish Army, it was agreed, That an
Army should be there levied forthwith, consisting of
Eighteen thousand Foot, effective, and Two thousand
Horse, and One thousand Dragoons, effective, with a suitable Train of Artillery, to march into England.
By an Order of this House, bearing Date 22 Junii
1644, it was recommended to the Committee of both
Kingdoms, to signify to the Kingdom of Scotland the Desires of both Houses, That the Forces already raised, and
in raising, by the Kingdom of Scotland, being, as is reported,
about Ten thousand, be invited forthwith to come in for
After this, of 27 Decembris, was ordered; and then,
31 Decembris, was further ordered.
After which were several Ordinances made, for the Provision of the Scottish Army in general, by Assessments
upon the several Counties, and Imposition on the Coal of
Newcastle: And never any Distinction made of the First
and Second Army.
The Resolve of the House of Commons was not for the
Abridging of the Number of the Scottish Forces, but for
reducing the Numbers of Horse to the Treaty: And, as
they shall never forget the Engagements and Undertakings
of that Kingdom for This; so they are confident That Nation
will remember the first and great Testimony of brotherly
Affection, which was given them by this Parliament.
That the Kingdom of Scotland could not send any
Forces into this Kingdom without their Consent; and
therefore what Number soever was agreed upon by both
Kingdoms, was binding, and ought not . . be exceeded.
We do not know what the Number of Horse were, which
first came into this Kingdom; nor that, when the Earl of
Calender's Horse came into this Kingdom, the whole
Force of the Scottish Horse, then in England, did exceed
the Number of the First Treaty; considering, that, in that
time, many of the first Horse were probably diminished.
As no Force ought to have been brought into this Kingdom without our Consent, so no Alteration ought to have
been made in the Condition of those Forces without our
That as it might seem reasonable to increase their Horse,
when the Service required it, so, upon the same Reason,
that Service being now most for Foot, they ought to be
reduced to the Number of the Treaty.
That, for the Security and Preservation of their Army,
we did several times send great Parties of English Horse to
that Army; although the Body of Scottish Horse did
march out of England into Scotland, without our Privity
The said several Reasons were, upon the Question,
assented unto; and ordered to be presented as an Answer
to that Part of the Scotts Paper, concerning the supernumerary Horse of the Scotts Army.
The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.
Ordered, That it be referred to the Members of both
Houses that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms, to
confer with the Scotts Commissioners, concerning that Part
of their Paper of the Sixth of this instant January, which
concerns their supernumerary Horse; and to offer unto them
the Reasons approved by this House, Why their Horse
should be reduced to the Number of the Treaty; and such
other Reasons as they shall think fit, for Maintenance of
the Vote of this House of the Fifth of this instant January,
That, in the Scotts Army in this Kingdom, there shall not
be above Two thousand Horse, and One thousand Dragoons, according to the Treaty.
The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein; and also
to the Vote of the Fifth of this instant January, for reducing the Horse and Dragoons of the Scotts Army to the
Numbers of the Treaty.
Ordered, &c. That a Conference be desired with the
Lords: And that the Orders of this House, and the Reasons this Day approved of, for reducing the Scotts Horse
to the Numbers of the Treaty, be communicated at the
The Letter from the Committee of Cumberland, from
Keswick, of Decembris 25 1645, was this Day read; and
ordered to be communicated to the Lords at a Conference.
Ordered, &c. That Mr. Barwis do, on Monday next,
bring in all such Letters, Papers, Warrants, and Acquittances, as concern the Scotts levying and raising Monies by
their own Authority, without any Order or Consent of both
the Houses of Parliament; that they may be here read;
and communicated at a Conference: And that the Letter
from Mr. Blakston, Mayor of Newcastle, be then likewise
Ordered, &c. That it be referred to the Committee of
Examinations, to send for Colonel Stockdale; and to examine him concerning the Raising and Furnishing of Troops,
and a Regiment of English, by Commission from the Scotts
General; and report his Examination on Monday Morning; to the end it may be communicated to the Lords at
Ordered, &c. That it shall be likewise communicated to
the Lords at the Conference, that Particular of the Scotts
raising and forming Troops, and Regiments of English,
by their own Commissions.
Ordered, &c. That the Lords be desired at the Conference, That it may be referred to the Members of both
Houses that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms, to
acquaint the Scotts Commissioners with these Particulars;
and to confer with them thereupon; and to settle some Way
of Redress, according to the Rules and Orders formerly