Die Veneris, 20 th Februarii, 1645.
THE Grand Committee of the House for Religion
sat, to take into Consideration the Business concerning Church-Government.
Mr. Whittacre in the Chair.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.
Upon Mr. Whittacre's Report from the Grand Committee for Religion;
Ordered, That the Grand Committee of the House do
meet, and sit, for the Business of the Church, on Monday
Ordered, That Mr. Berrow, a Member of this House,
shall have Liberty to go into the Country, for Recovery of
A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edward Leech and
The Lords do desire, That, at the Conference this
Day, they may impart unto you certain Letters, come
from the Parliament of Scotland: They were delivered
them from the Scotts Commissioners; and are directed to
both Houses. They desire to put you in mind of an Ordinance, formerly sent to you, for Mr. Mortimer to be a
Serjeant at Arms.
Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree, That the
Letters from the Parliament of Scotland be imparted by the
Lords, at the Conference, this Morning.
Answer returned by the same Messengers;
The House doth agree, That, at this Conference, those
Letters be imparted from the Parliament of Scotland: And,
as to the Ordinance for making Mr. Mortimer a Serjeant
at Arms, they will send Answer by Messengers of their
Mr. Weston carried to the Lords, for their Concurrence,
the Votes concerning the Lord Savile, and the Order for
Five Pounds, out of Haberdashers-Hall, for Joan Wilson,
upon Accompt of her Husband's Pay, to be employed for
Resolved, That a Message be sent to the Lords, to
desire, That, at this Conference, this House may communicate to them some Letters which they have received
from the Parliament of Scotland.
Sir Christopher Yelverton carried to the Lords, for their
Concurrence, the Three Votes concerning the Election of
Elders: And was to desire, That the Letters, which this
House hath received from the Parliament of Scotland, may
be communicated to the Lords at this Conference.
The House was informed, That divers Aldermen and
Common-Councilmen of the City of London were at the
They were called in: And Mr. Alderman Fowke presented a Petition from the City of London.
Which was read.
Ordered, upon the Question, That the Petition from the
City of London, this Day presented, be taken into Consideration To-morrow Morning, the first Business: And
that no other Business intervene: And that Mr. Speaker
put the House in mind thereof.
Ordered, &c. That the Answer to the Petitioners shall
be, That this House hath read their Petition, and the
Papers annexed; and will take them into Consideration
The Petitioners were again called in: And Mr. Speaker
gave them the Answer accordingly.
A Letter from the Army, from Mr. Rushworth, from
Torrington, of Februarii 17 , Five at Night, was this
Day read, of the great Success it pleased God to give the
Parliament's Forces: And
It is Ordered, upon the Question, That the Committee
of the Army do pay unto the Messengers that brought this
good News Forty Pounds, to be divided between them,
as a Gift from this House, for their great Pains and Diligence.
Sir Henry Vane junior, Mr. Sollicitor, Mr. Holles, and
Sir John Evelyn, are appointed Managers and Reporters
of this Conference.
Sir Christopher Yelverton brings Answer from the Lords,
That the Lords have agreed to the Votes concerning
Election of Elders; and that they be communicated to
the Lord Mayor, to be put in Execution: And they do
agree, That this House may, at this Conference, communicate to them the Letters from the Parliament of Scotland.
Ordered, &c. That the Committee to whom the Printing of the Letters taken near Sherbourne is referred, or
any Three of them, do meet this Afternoon at Two of
Clock; to take Order for the Printing of the said Letters.
Ordered, &c. That, after the Conference ended, the
Letter from the Army, to the Committee of the Army,
Mr. Holles reports from the Conference, That, to that
Addition, formerly sent down from the Lords, to the
Fifth Proposition, of these Words; viz. "in pursuance
of that which is already agreed upon by both Houses of
Parliament;" they do adhere unto it; and thought fit to
give Reasons for it: Which were read there; and afterwards by the Reporter here; and then by the Clerk: And
were in hæc verba;
1. That it is necessary the Demands to the King should
be clear; and such as may so appear to the World.
2. That, Religion being a main Part of our Desires,
we should therein be certain and determinate; which, as
the Proposition came from the House of Commons, appears not so evident: And therefore, my Lords have
thought it necessary to adhere unto these Words, "in pursuance of what is already agreed unto by both Houses:"
Which shews, What kind of Reformation in Religion both
Houses of Parliament do desire.
3. That my Lords find no Objection against their additional Clause, unless there be a Doubt of prosecuting that
Kind of Church-Government, into which both Houses of
Parliament have already made some Progress: Wherefore,
to prevent such Ambiguities in this Particular, as may be
picked out of the Stile, or objected to our Meaning, my
Lords do insist upon their Amendment of this Proposition.
Sir Henry Vane junior reported, from the Conference,
Two Letters from the Parliament of Scotland, from St.
Androis, of Februarii 3 1645, subscribed "Crawford
Lyndesey, President of Parliament;" and directed to the
Right Honourable the Lords and Commons, assembled in
the Parliament of England, at Westminster: The which
were read at the Conference; and by the Reporter here;
and then by the Clerk.
Ordered, &c. That this whole Report concerning the
Letters from the Parliament of Scotland, and the Propositions, be taken into Consideration To-morrow, the next
Business after that of the City-Petition.
Ordered, &c. That the Grand Committee of the House,
for the Business of the Church, do meet, and sit, on Monday Morning next.