House of Commons Journal Volume 4
13 May 1646

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 4: 13 May 1646', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 4: 1644-1646 (1802), pp. 543-545. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23691 Date accessed: 29 July 2014.


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Die Mercurii, 13 Maii, 1646.

Prayers.

Ordered, That Colonel Mountague, a Member of this House, shall have Leave to go into the Country.

Ordered, That Sir John Curson, a Member of this House, shall have Leave to go into the Country.

An Ordinance for reimbursing and repaying unto Sir John Dreidon and Mr. Crewe One thousand Pounds, together with the Interest due for the same, out of the Sequestration of Sir Christopher Hatton's Estate, and out of the Compositions of Delinquents Estates (which said One thousand Pounds was lent by them to the Parliament), was this Day read; and, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence.

Ordered, That a Warrant be issued, under the Hand of Mr. Speaker, directed to the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery, for the Election of Two new Burgesses to serve for the Borough of Bridgnorth, in the places of Sir Thomas Whitmore, and Edward Acton Esquire disabled, by Judgment of this House, to sit or serve as Members in this present Parliament.

Ordered, That a Warrant be issued, under the Hand of Mr. Speaker, directed to the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery, for the Election of Two new Burgesses to serve for the Borough of Barnstable, in the places of Mr. Ferris, disabled, by Judgment of this House, to sit or serve as a Member in this present Parliament, and of Mr. Perd, deceased.

Ordered, That a Warrant be issued, under the Hand of Mr. Speaker, directed to the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery, for the Election of a new Burgess to serve for the Borough of Wenlock, in the place of Thomas Littleton Esquire, disabled, by Judgment of this House, to sit or serve as a Member in this present Parliament.

Mr. Lisle reports Reasons to be offered to the Lords at a Conference, for Adhering to the Vote concerning the Disposal of the Person of the King.: Which were read; and voted; and were in hæc verba; viz.

I. That the House of Commons having thought fit to make this Claim, and so to propound it to your Lordships, if, upon your Lordships Refusal to concurr with them, they should acquiesce, it would hold forth to the World, that both Houses of Parliament have deserted their Interest in the King; and do not think fit to have him disposed of, by the Parliament, in any Place of this Kingdom.

II. It is the undoubted Right of the Parliament of England, that the Person of the King should not be disposed, whilst he is in this Kingdom, but by the Parliament of England.

III. It is not honourable for the Parliament of England, to suffer their King to be in the Scotts Army in this Kingdom, and not to demand their King.

IV. It is not safe for the Parliament of England to suffer their King, whilst he maintains War against them, to continue in any Army within the Kingdom of England, without the Consent of the Parliament of England, left his Person and Presence may have an ill Influence upon them.

V. The Scotts Army in this Kingdom is under the Pay of the Parliament of England: And whatsoever cometh into their Power within this Kingdom, wherein England hath an Interest, ought to be rendered up to the Parliament.

A Letter from the General, from Heddington, of 11 Maii 1646, was this Day read. And

It is Resolved, &c. That Mr. John Dawborne, Surgeon in Colonel Okey's Regiment, be forthwith discharged from any Tryal at the Sessions for Suspicion of Stealing of a sorrel Mare: And that his Bail be likewise discharged. And

It is further Ordered, That Mr. Recorder be acquainted with the General's Letter, and the Depositions therein inclosed, concerning the said Mare.

Sir John Danvers is appointed to go to the Lords, to desire a free Conference, by Committees of both Houses, so soon as may stand with your Lordships Conveniency, upon the Matter of the last Conference, touching a Vote, formerly sent from this House, concerning the Disposing of the Person of the King in such Place within this Kingdom, as the Two Houses of Parliament shall appoint.

Ordered, That the Business of Ireland be taken into Consideration, the first Business, To-morrow Morning.

A Letter from the Commissioners of both Houses, of 9 . Maii 1646, from Lincolne; a Letter from the Scotts Commissioners, from Doncaster, of 9 Maii 1646, to the Commissioners of the Parliament of England; a Letter from Doncaster, from the Earl of Leven, to the English Commissioners, of 9 Maii 1646; Two Orders, under General Leven's Hand, of 8 Maii, at Doncaster, to inhibit all Plunderings, Violences, or Injuries, to be offered to the Country-People, by any under his Command; to entertain or engage any that have been in Service in Newarke, or in Arms against the Parliament; to declare unto all Persons whom it may concern, that have been in Arms against the Parliament, or disaffected unto it, they must expect no Protection from that Army; and likewise a Letter from General Pointz' Quarters in Houghton-Fields, signed by the Lord Mountague and Lord Lothian, of 7 Maii 1646; and another of 13 Maii, from the Scotts Commissioners, from Worcester-House; were all this Day read.

Ordered, That these Letters be taken into Consideration, so soon as the House shall return from the Conference.

Sir John Danvers brings Answer, That the Lords will give a present Meeting, at a Conference, by Committees of both Houses, in the Painted Chamber, as is desired.

The Committee that brought in the Reasons for Adhering to the Vote concerning the Disposing of the Person of the King by the Two Houses of Parliament, are appointed Managers of the Conference.

Resolved, &c. That the House do sit this Afternoon at Three of Clock, to take into Consideration the Business of Ireland; and no other Business whatsoever.

Resolved, &c. That, To-morrow Morning, the first Business, the House do take into Consideration the Scotts Papers, and the whole Business concerning the Propositions for a safe and well-grounded Peace: And that no other Business do intervene: And that Mr. Speaker put the House in mind hereof.

Resolved, &c. That, on Friday Morning next, peremptorily, the House do take into Consideration the Reports from Goldsmiths-Hall: And that no other Business do intervene: And that Mr. Speaker do put the House in mind hereof.

Ordered, That the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland be desired, by the Members of both Houses that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms, That the House may receive the Answer, returned by the Parliament of Scotland, to the Desire of both Houses, concerning the Delivery of their Garisons; and the Matter of Accompts of the Scotts Army.

Ordered, That this Order be forthwith communicated to the Scotts Commissioners.

Ordered, That the Commissioners of both Houses that were appointed to reside with the Scotts Army before Newark, shall have Liberty to return from that Service, as soon as they shall see Cause.

Ordered, That the Committee appointed to go to the Scotts Commissioners, to desire, That Mr. John Chiesly may be examined, or any Three of them, do meet, at the Rising of the House, in the Queen's Court; and go to the Scotts Commissioners, to receive their Answer concerning the same.

Post Meridiem

A Letter from the Commissioners of the Parliament of England residing in Ulster, from Belfast, of 25 Martii 1646; the Order of both Houses, of 13 Novembris 1645, and the Letter from both Houses of the Parliament of England to the Parliament of Scotland, for Delivery of the Town of Belfast to the Commissioners of the Parliament of England there; were this Day read.

The Copy of the Answer of the Parliament of Scotland, of 8 Januarii 1645, from St. Andrewes, to the Parliament of England; also Two Answers, one of 26 Decembris 1645, the other of 17 Februarii 1646, given by Colonel Home, in the Name of the Scotts Officers of the said Garison of Belfast, to the Commissioners of the Parliament of England there; were this Day read.

Ordered, That the Commissioners of Scotland, residing here at London, be desired to give a speedy Answer to the Desire and Demand of both Houses, concerning the Delivery of Belfast to the Commissioners of the Parliament of England there: And that they be acquainted with the whole Proceedings that have been had in this Business.

Ordered, That the Scotts Commissioners residing at London be acquainted with the Advice this House hath received, of the Withdrawing of divers of the Scottish Soldiers there, and carrying them into Scotland; and of an Intention of sending over new Men, in their places, into Ireland; and of recruiting the Scottish Regiments there, out of such as now are remaining in the said Kingdom of Ireland: And that this House doth declare, That such new Men and Recruits shall not be taken on upon the Pay of the Parliament of England: And that it be referred to the Committee of Lords and Commons for the Affairs of Ireland, to prepare and bring in a Paper, to be communicated to the Scotts Commissioners, in pursuance of this and the former Vote.

Resolved, &c. That Ten thousand Bolls of Meal be provided for the British Forces of the Provinces of Ulster and Connaght, in the Kingdom of Ireland: And that it be referred to the Committee of Lords and Commons for Irish Affairs, out of the Credit of those Ordinances which are already passed for carrying on the War of Ireland, or by some other Means, to provide the said Ten thousand Bolls of Meal accordingly.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee of Lords and Commons for the Affairs of Ireland, to consider of some Way and Means for Providing of Ministers, and Means for their Encouragement and Maintenance, to be sent into Ireland: And the Committee hath Power to advise with the Assembly of Divines herein: And they are to make Report hereof, and present the Names of the Ministers to the House.

Ordered, That the Committee of Lords and Commons for the Affairs of Ireland shall have Power to dispose of the Sum of One thousand Pounds, left by Will, for the Providing and Maintaining of godly Ministers in Ireland, and now concealed in the Hands of the Executors, towards the enabling some Ministers to go along with the Army under the Command of the Lord Lieutenant; and to give the Discoverer a convenient Recompence for his Pains.

Ordered, That all such Ministers as shall be willing, and be approved of, to go into Ireland, shall have, for their present Subsistence and Maintenance, One hundred Pounds per Annum, each of them.

Ordered, That all such Monies as were formerly raised, by way of Benevolence, for the Relief of Ireland, and lie now concealed in private Hands, and shall be discovered unto the Committee of Lords and Commons for the Affairs of Ireland; that the said Committee shall have Power to dispose of them for the publick Service of the Kingdom of Ireland, with the Consent of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland.

Mr. Lisle reports the Amendments to the Ordinance of advancing Monies for raising and transporting Forces into Ireland, together with the Lord Lieutenant.

The which were twice read; and, upon the Question, assented unto.

And the Ordinance . . . . the Amendments, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence.

Ordered, &c. That Lieutenant-Colonel Agmondesham Muschamp shall have the Sum of One hundred Pounds paid unto him, or his Assigns, by the Committee at Goldsmiths-Hall, out of that Moiety of the Compositions not charged for the Use of Sir Thomas Fairefaxe's Army, in Part of Monies disbursed by him for the Service of the Parliament in Ireland.

Ordered, &c. That the Sum of One hundred Pounds be paid by the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies, sitting at Haberdashers-Hall, unto Lieutenant-Colonel Agmondesham Muschampe, or his Assigns, in Part of Monies disbursed by him for the Service of the Parliament in Ireland.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Ordered, &c. That Lieutenant-Colonel Muschamp shall have the Publick Faith, for the Payment to him, or his Assigns, of the Sum of Four hundred and Three Pounds Fifteen Shillings and Eight-pence; the same being Part of a greater Sum disbursed by him, upon several Occasions, for the Service of the Parliament of Ireland.

Ordered, &c. That the One hundred Pounds out of Goldsmiths-Hall, the One hundred Pounds out of Haberdashers-Hall, and the Four hundred and Three Pounds Fifteen Shillings and Eight-pence upon the Publick Faith, by the several Orders above-mentioned appointed to be paid to Lieutenant-Colonel Agmondesham Muschamp, shall be, and is, in Full of all Demands to be made or claimed by the said Lieutenant-Colonel Agmondesham Muschamp, for any Monies expended or disbursed by him for Building of Houses in the Fort of Corke, for making a ClubWall on the Top of the Fort, and for making the Flatform, and mounting the Ordnance there; for Corn delivered into the Stores; ready Monies lent and disbursed about the Train of Artillery, and other Necessaries, in the Kingdom of Ireland.

Ordered, &c. That the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland do write unto my Lord General, to furnish Colonel Jephson with an Hundred Horse and Arms, if conveniently he can, to recruit his Regiment withal.

Resolved, &c. That the One thousand Seven hundred Forty-six Pounds Fifteen Shillings and Eight-pence, assigned to Colonel Jephson, out of Monies to be raised by Sale of the Scaffolds on the Outside of Paul's Church, to be employed towards the Payment of the Officers of his Regiment and Troopers, be now paid; the one Moiety, in Course, out of that Moiety of the Monies that come in at Goldsmiths-Hall, not charged for Sir Thomas Fairefaxe's Army; the other Moiety, in Course, out of the Monies that come in at Haberdashers-Hall.

An Ordinance for enabling the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland to levy Six thousand Foot, and Eighteen hundred and Forty Horse, in the Kingdom of England, and Dominion of Wales, to be transported into the Kingdom of Ireland, for reducing the Rebels there, was this Day read; and, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence.

An Ordinance for the Payment of the Sum of Ten thousand Pounds, with Interest, every Six Months, out of the Receipts of the Grand Excise, to be paid to the Deputy-Treasurer at Wars, and employed for the Service of the Kingdom of Ireland, was this Day read; and, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence.

Ordered, &c. That it be referred to the Committee at Goldsmiths-Hall, to consider of some Expedient, How the Ten thousand Pounds, formerly charged, in Course, upon the Monies that came in at Goldsmiths-Hall, for the present Service of Ireland, may be speedily paid, lest that Service may otherwise very much suffer; and to report it to the House.

Sir Philip Stapleton reports, from the Committee of both Kingdoms, the humble Petition of John Davies Merchant.

Which was read.

The Question being put, That the Sum of Three thousand Seven hundred and Fifty Pounds be paid unto Mr. John Davies Merchant, out of the Five thousand Pounds to come in upon the Ordinances for Ireland, and appointed to be paid in to the Receipts of the Excise, for so much Monies formerly charged upon the said Receipts of the Excise for the Service of Ireland;

The House was divided.

The Yeas went forth.

Sir Henry Mildmay, Tellers for the Noe: 21.
Mr. Knightley, With the Noe,
Mr. Holles, Tellers for the Yea: 25.
Sir John Clotworthy, With the Yea,

So the Question passed with the Affirmative.

Resolved, &c. That the Sum of Three thousand Seven hundred and Fifty Pounds be paid unto Mr. John Davies Merchant, out of the Five thousand Pounds to come in upon the Ordinances for Ireland, and appointed to be paid in to the Receipts of the Excise, for so much Monies formerly charged upon the said Receipts of the Excise for the Service of Ireland: Whose Acquittance shall be a good Discharge to the Treasurers at Grocers-Hall, for the Payment thereof accordingly.

Resolved, &c. That the House do sit on Tuesday next, in the Afternoon, to hear the Businesses and Reports concerning Ireland.