House of Commons Journal Volume 4
27 June 1646

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 4: 27 June 1646', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 4: 1644-1646 (1802), pp. 589-590. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23730 Date accessed: 18 April 2014. Add to my bookshelf


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Die Sabbati, 27 Junii, 1646.

Prayers.

ORdered, That Sir John D'Avers do report the Business, concerning Mr. Swanton, and the Western Circuit, on Monday Morning next, the first Business.

Ordered, That Mr. Lisle do report the Business concerning Captain Skinner, on Tuesday Morning next.

Ordered, That the Discharge to the Commissioners of Excise, for their Accompts for the Year ended the Eleventh of September 1644, be taken into Consideration, next after the Business of the Propositions.

Ordered, That the Petition of Mr. Christopher Blakiston, concerning Mr. Moody, be read on this Day Sevennight.

The House, according to Order, took into Consideration the Five Papers Yesterday sent from the Lords.

A Paper of the Twenty-fifth of June 1646, signed, "By Command of the Commissioners for the Parliament of Scotland, John Cheislie," concerning the Propositions of Peace; a Paper likewise signed "Jo. Chieslie," containing the Names of the Persons exempted from Pardon; a Paper also, of 25 Junii 1646, signed "Jo. Cheislie," concerning the Scotts Armies, and the Accompts between the Kingdoms; a Copy of his Majesty's Letter to the Marquis of Ormond, of 11 Junii 1646, from Newcastle; and a Copy of a Letter from Major-General Monro, of 11 Junii 1646, from Carrickfergus, to the Committee of Estates at Edingborough; all of them delivered by the Marquis of Argile, and the Lord Lawderdail, at the late Conference; were this Day read.

A Letter from the Scotts Commissioners, from Worcester-House, of 25 Junii 1646; and the Paper inclosed, signed "Jo. Chiesly;" concerning some Omissions and Mistakes in the Propositions; were this Day also read; together with the Report made by Sir Thomas Widdrington, from the Committee to whom the said Letter and Paper was committed.

The Report was in hæc verba; (viz.)

1. That, for the Fifth and Sixth Propositions concerning Religion, the Committee finds they run only in the general, and no Particulars yet mentioned in them.

The Committee desires to know the Pleasure of the House, if they intend, at this time, to send any Ordinances, which are passed, touching Matters of Religion; and what Ordinances in particular.

2. The Committee finds it to be true, that this Clause following is not in the Propositions now to be sent; viz. "That his Majesty give Assurance of his consenting, in the Parliament of Scotland, to an Act acknowledging and ratifying the Acts of the Convention of Estates of Scotland, called by the Council and Conservers of the Peace, and the Commissioners for the common Burdens, and assembled the Two-and-twentieth Day of June 1643, and several times continued since; and of the Parliament of that Kingdom since convened:" But the Scotts Commissioners desire to have it added.

3. For the Conservators of the Peace between the Two Kingdoms, the Matter in Fact the Committee find to be this; The Committee were informed, That this Commission was agreed on by both Houses, and both Houses named their Commissioners: But lately the Lords have sent down new Names for their Commissioners, with some new Powers; and desired the Concurrence of this House; and that they would name a proportionable Number of Commissioners: To which this House returned Answer, That they would look upon their Orders and Proceedings, and give them an Account of their Proceedings.

4. The Committee finds, that, after the Eighteenth Proposition, these Words are omitted, " the like for the Kingdom of Scotland."

For the Second Paper;

1. The Committee holds fit, that the First Part of the Fourteenth Proposition, which is an Act for the Raising of Monies, &c. be added to the latter Part of the Twelfth Proposition, as it was before.

2. That which is now the latter Part of the Fourteenth Proposition to be placed after That which is now the Seventeenth Proposition; and to be made one Part of the Seventeenth Proposition: And that the Fifteenth, Sixteenth, and Seventeenth Propositions to be now numbered the Fourteenth, Fifteenth, and Sixteenth Propositions: And these Words, " the like for the Kingdom of Scotland," to be added to the Seventeenth Proposition, as now it is transposed.

3. That, after the Thirteenth Proposition, these Words be added, "the like for the Kingdom of Scotland, if the Estates of Parliament there shall think fit."

4. That these Words be added in the Seventeenth, now Sixteenth Proposition, "as, being processed by the Estates for Treason, shall be condemned, before the Act of Oblivion be passed."

5. At the latter End of that which is the Seventeenth Proposition, and now proposed to be the Sixteenth Proposition, these Words be added, " the like for the Kingdom of Scotland, if the Estates of Parliament, or such as shall have Power from them, shall think fit."

6. The Committee finds, that there is no Preface nor Conclusion, yet, to the Propositions: Which is humbly left to the House.

The Question being propounded, That the Fifth and Sixth Propositions, concerning Religion, shall go as they are, without any Addition;

The Question was put, Whether this Question should be now put or not:

And it passed with the Affirmative.

And then the Question itself being put;

It is Resolved, &c. That the Fifth and Sixth Propositions, concerning Religion, shall go as they are, without any Addition.

The Question being put, That, after the Twelfth Proposition, this Clause; viz. "That his Majesty give Assurance of his consenting, in the Parliament of Scotland, to an Act acknowledging and ratifying the Acts of the Convention of Estates of Scotland, called by the Council and Conservers of the Peace, and the Commissioners for the common Burdens, and assembled the Two andtwentieth Day of June 1643, and several times continued since, and of the Parliament of that Kingdom since convened;" shall be added;

It passed with the Affirmative.

The Names of the Members of the House of Peers, sent from the Lords to be Conservators of the Peace, were read; and were, the Earl of Northumberland, Earl of Rutland, Earl of Pembroke, Earl of Essex, Earl of Lyncolne, Earl of Suffolk, Earl of Warwick, Earl of Manchester, Earl of Stanford, Lord Dacres, Lord Wharton, Lord Willoughby, Lord North, Lord Hunsdon, Lord Gray, Lord Howard of Estcrick, Lord Bruce; and, upon the Question, assented unto.

The Names of the Members of this House, who are yet living, and were formerly appointed to be Conservators of the Peace, were read; and were as followeth; Ferdinando Lord Fairfax, Mr. Nathanael Fiennes, Sir William Armyn, Sir Philip Stapilton, Sir Henry Vane, senior, Mr. William Pierpont, Sir Edward Aiscough, Sir William Strickland, Sir Arthur Hesilrige, Sir John Fenwick, Sir Wm. Brereton, Sir Thomas Widdrington, Mr. John Toll, Mr. Gilbert Millington, Sir Wm. Constable, Sir John Wray, Sir Henry Vane junior, Mr. Henry Darley, Oliver St. John Esquire his Majesty's Sollicitor-General, Mr. Denzell Holles, Mr. Alexander Rigby, Mr. Cornelius Holland, Mr. Samuel Vassall, Mr. Peregrine Pelham, John Glynn Esquire Recorder of London, Mr. Henry Martyn, Mr. Alderman Hoyle, Mr. John Blakiston, Mr. Serjeant Wilde, Mr. Richard Barwis, Sir Anthony Irby, and Mr. Ashurst.

Resolved, &c. That Mr. Bellingham and Mr. Tolson shall be Two other of the Members of this House to be Conservators of the Peace.

Resolved, &c. That the several Members of both Houses before-mentioned shall be the Commissioners for Conservation of the Peace between the Two Kingdoms; to act according to the Articles of the large Treaty, and not otherwise.

Resolved, &c. That, after the Eighteenth Proposition, these Words, "the like for the Kingdom of Scotland," be added.

Resolved, &c. That the First Part of the Fourteenth Proposition, which is an Act for the Raising of Monies, &c. be added to the latter Part of the Twelfth Proposition, as it was before.

Resolved, That the latter Part of the Fourteenth Proposition shall be placed after that which is now the Seventeenth Proposition; and shall be one Branch of the said Seventeenth Proposition.

Resolved, &c. That the Fifteenth, Sixteenth, and Seventeenth Propositions, shall be numbered the Fourteenth, Fifteenth, and Sixteenth Propositions: And that these Words, "the like for the Kingdom of Scotland," be added to the Seventeenth Proposition, as it is now to be transposed.

The Names of the Persons to be exempted from Pardon in the Kingdom of Scotland were read; and were, the Earl of Traquare, Lord Harris, Lord Rae, George Gordonn sometime Marquis of Huntley, James Grahame sometimes Earl of Montrosse, Robert Maxwell late Earl of Nithsdale, Robert Dalzell sometime Earl of Carnwath, James Gordon sometime Viscount of Aboyne, Lodowick Lindesay sometime Earl of Crafurd, James Oglevy sometime Earl of Airly, James Oglevy sometime Lord Oglevy, Patrick Ruthven sometime Earl of Forth, James King sometime Lord Ithan, Allester Macdonald, Irwin younger of Drunim, Gordon younger of Gight, Lesley of Achintoule, Colonel John Cockrane, Grahame of Gorthie, Mr. John Maxwell sometime pretended Bishop of Rosse; and were, upon the Question, assented unto.

Resolved, &c. That, after the Thirteenth Proposition, these Words; viz. "the like for the Kingdom of Scotland, if the Estates of Parliament there shall think fit;" be added.

Resolved, &c. That these Words, "as, being processed by the Estates for Treason, shall be condemned before the Act of Oblivion be passed," be added in the Seventeenth, now Sixteenth, Proposition.

Resolved, &c. That, at the latter End of the Seventeenth, now Sixteenth, Proposition, these Words; viz. "the like for the Kingdom of Scotland, if the Estates of Parliament, or such as shall have Power from them, shall think fit;" shall be added.

Ordered, That the Committee formerly appointed to consider of the Manner of Sending of the Propositions to the King, and how, and in what Manner, his Majesty's Answer shall be desired thereunto, do meet this Afternoon at Two of the Clock, in the Queen's Court; and make their Report on Monday Morning next, the first Business: And that Mr. Selden do take care hereof.

Ordered, That Mr. William Drake, a Member of this House, shall have Leave to go into the Country.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page;

The Lords have commanded us to deliver you this Letter from Sir Thomas Fairfax: It concerneth the Duke of Yorke's coming to London; which stayeth for Want of Money; which the Lords desire you to give present Order for; and that it may be referred to the Committee for the King's Children:- To put you in mind of a Message they formerly sent unto you, for the Appointing of a House for the French Ambassador: They are advertised, that he is already come to Callis, and may be here very suddenly: Therefore they desire you will take it into speedy Consideration. They commanded us likewise to let you know, That they have given Liberty to the Earl of Cleveland to go to his House in the Country for Three Weeks, for his Health, and other Occasions, putting in Bail for his Return; wherein they desire your Concurrence. They have sent you a Copy of the Warrant for his Commitment:- This Petition of the Lady Finett's, desiring, that the Arrears due to her Husband may be paid her; the Lords have referred it to the Committee for the King's Revenue; and do therein desire your Concurrence.

A Message from the Lords, by Mr. Justice Phesant and Mr. Justice Rolle;

The Propositions, that are agreed by both Houses, and the Scotts Commissioners, do now remain with this House: The Lords desire, That you will give a Dispatch to them, that they may be speedily sent to the King.

Resolved, &c. That Answer shall be given to the First Message, That this House will return an Answer thereunto by Messengers of their own.

Resolved, &c. That Answer shall be given to the Second Message, That this House hath taken the Propositions into Consideration; and will return an Answer to them by Messengers of their own very speedily.

The First Messengers were called in: And the House returned this Answer; That this House will return an Answer to all the Particulars of their Message by Messengers of their own.

The Second Messengers were called in: And the House returned this Answer; That they have taken the Propositions into Consideration; and will return an Answer to them by Messengers of their own very speedily.

Ordered, That a Letter be sent to the General Sir Thomas Fairfax, to acquaint him, That he shall speedily hear from this House concerning the Duke of Yorke: And that the Committee for the Prince's Houshold do prepare this Letter.

The Question being put, Whether the Two Papers, reported by Mr. Fiennes, being a Declaration to assert the Liberties of the Parliament of England, should be now read, or not;

The House was divided.

The Yeas went forth.

Tellers for the Noe: Mr. Holles, With the Noe, 64.
Sir Phil. Stapilton,
Tellers for the Yea: Sir Arth. Hesilrige, With the Yea, 68.
Mr. Martin,

So as the Question passed with the Affirmative.

The Two Papers, being Two Declarations for asserting the Liberties of the Parliament of England, were both of them twice read; and, upon the Question, re-committed; and ordered to be reported on Monday Morning next.