House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 20 February 1606

Jovis, 20o Februarii, 1605

Upton Bridge.

1. Reading: - THE Bill for the Re-edifying of a Bridge over the River of Severne, near the Town of Upton upon Severne.

Mounpesson's Estate.

1. Reading : - B. For the Sale of some of the Lands of Thomas Mounpesson Esquire, for Payment of his Debts.

Ognell's Estate.

Mr. Ognell's Counsel heard.

Mr. Rosse replieth to the former Allegations Yesterday.

Ordered by the House, That he should utter nothing that was said Yesterday ; and that he should not wander in Invectives.

The Counsel retired to the Door.

Mr. Fuller: - That some of the House might examine the Account.

Mr. Moore, Mr. Dyett: - That there is an Act of Parliament for the Sitting of a Parliament every Year, to reverse the Judgments of other Courts.

Committed: - Mr. Fuller, Mr. Brock, Sir Rob. Johnson, Mr. Yelverton, Mr. Hold, Sir Henry Billingsley, Mr. Gore, Mr. Attorney of the Ward, Mr. Solicitor, Sir Rich. Spencer, Sir Oliver St. John, Mr. Diett, Sir Geo. Fleetwood, Sir Edw. Grevill, Sir Tho. Holcroft, Mr. Ravenscroft, Sir H. Poole, Mr. Bartlett, Mr. James: - Tuesday next. Exchequer Chamber,

Grievances; Purveyors ; Subsidy ; &c.

Mr. Recorder maketh Report of the Conference with the Lords.

They met.

The Lord Salisbury first, the principal Pen of the Kingdom.

Another learned Earl, an Officer of the Houshold.

Our Articles read.

Their Answers read articulatim.

Lord Treasurer: - Secret of State.

Lord Admiral: - The Charge of the Navy.

Earl of Salisbury: - Superfluous to use a Method of any Speech. -

A Message of Sorrow, when they expected one of Gladness, from this House. -

An Ejaculation of Miseries; of Despairs: - Tribulatio in proximo est, et non est, qui eum adjuvat. -

This House, and that, like Two Hands, that washed One another, helped one another, laboured together. -

Modestus et justus dolor linguam, non dentes, habet. -

Grieved at this Occasion: - Zealed much our Griefs: -

The Purpose not only to take away the Abuse, but even the Use. -

Articulate Answers to the Articles. - Desired Unity and Love. -

The best Face may shew itself sourly. -

He wished, in respect of Reservations and Interpretations, they might all sit under One Roof.

Northampton:- - A Message warmed by the Way. -

It is impossible to carry any thing clearly but it shall receive Mixture. -

Leave out Libra, and put in Scorpio; - perhaps mar the Affections.

Officer of the Houshold, Lord Knolles: - Laws made rather in terrorem, than meant, re vera, to be put in Execution. -

27 E. III. 33 E. III. 36 E. III. 8 H. VI. - Savings of the King's Prerogative: - No Savings in our Statutes. -

They had abated 10,000 l. a Year of the Charge, the King had been at, to ease the King. -

Letters written into the Country, to understand the Grievances: - Heard no Returns.

Articles and Answers read and heard. -

The Offer of Two Subsidies : - Lovingly and freely: - The King took graciously and thankfully. -

The King opens his Estate : - Lends his Ear to the Grievances of his People. -

Never more hearty nor faithful Subjects. -

This the most golden Time. -

Recounted all the Miseries of former Times. -

At the Death of Queen Elizabeth most Men would have given half they had. - Virgo Astrea. -

Blessing of Children. -

Purveyance to be punished. -

The Abuse to be helped.- -

Not only sustain his Necessities, but maintain his Majesty's * * and Honour: - Caesari, quae sunt Caesaris. -

To hear the King's State opened. -

Mr. Attorney to speak of the Laws of Purveyance. -

This Course forborne.

The Earl of Salisbury: - Purveyors, Vexers of the Commonwealth: - As an Article of his Creed. -

To be faithful and plain in the Report. -

Power, Strength, and Greatness, never free from Envy, Malice, and Conspiracy. -

Made a Peace, not bought it. -

They exposed the Needs. -

Purveyor's; Subsidy, &c.

They left the Means to ourselves. -

This Three Years a continual Christenmas to the King.

The King's Speech. -

We should thank ourselves for any thing we gave ourselves. -

They would join with us in chasing out a Purveyor, as an Hobgoblin.

The Lord Treasurer: - He would repeat that, which he had said before : -

1. Present Necessities:

2. Urgent Causes:

3. Answer to Objections.

Debt 7,704,000l. [a], -

400,000 l. the Queen's Debt

Lord Admiral: - Touching the Repair of the Navy.

Earl of Northampton: - Intentions weary. -

The Estate: - The Patient: -

The Means, that the Estate worketh by. -

Means : - The Goodness of the People. -

If the King should work by his Prerogative, as other Kings, he should be as rich as Croesus.

Salisburie : - Wished the Vein of a pleasant Man : -

Used Mr. Stevenson's Jest: - He was still with Child with Purveyors. -

At Easter next the King must keep the Virginity of his Word. -

Let it never come into the Exchequer: - Distribute it as you will; only help his Want.

Mr. Solicitor : - Troubled : - Care, Desire, and Duty. -

Thorny Things : - Never Ease, till they have found an Issue. -

Some Particulars omitted. -

First Conference. -

Embraced the first Fruits of our Love, obviis ulnis.-

Amantium irae amoris redintegratio. - Exitus primus in intentione, ultimus in executione.

No Moat in our Eye, that did not make our Eyes to Water. -

A House of Wisdom, Discretion, Providence; free from Passion, and never ungrateful. -

Secretum secretorum:

Arcanum Regni.

Three Parts: -

Necessity:

Urgent Causes:

* * * * *

Want of yearly Receipts to defray yearly and ordinary Charges. -

Great Debts :

Cofferer, Treasurer of the Chamber, Pensioners, Navy, Forts. -

Revenue under the Seven Auditors . - Duchy : - Customs : - Court of Wards:

Arrearages yearly increasing.

Urgent Causes: -

1. Fourteen Subsidies, Twenty-eight Tenths and Fifteens, Three Loans to the Queen. - A great Sum of Arrearages.

2. Extraordinary Expence :

King, Queen, and Prince's Entrance, 10,000l. -

Funeral, 20,000 l.

Coronation, King and Queen, 20,000 l,

Gifts to Ambassadors, 40,000 l. -

Buildings, 2,000 l.

Redeeming of Leases of Woods, 2,000 l.

3. Augmentation of Charge: - King, Queen, Prince, 55,000 l. Increase.

4,480 l. Charge of Ambassadors. -

Increase of Judges, 300 l.

4. Diminution: Queen's Jointure, 10,000l. -

Pre-emption of Tin, 2,000 l. -

Fines for Alienation pardoned.

5. Gracious Gifts: - Just: - Due in Equity, - in Honour, - Service, - incessant Importunity.

Answer to Objections : -

The King hath brought Peace.

Purveyors Subsidy, &c.

Answ. When a Body recovers, all things are not settled.

Felicities: - Trade open: - Though not feel presently, yet Time will shew it. -

Treasure of a King, the Safety of our Kingdom.

If we refuse not to hear Particulars, usque ad nauseam, shall we not hear the King ? -

Dando accipit, qui digno dedit. -

Rivers run into the Sea. -

Vapours ascend: - Drop Fat; the first and latter Rain.

Sir Wm. Strowd: - That the King would know the Grievance of the Country, as the * *' *

Mr. Yelverton: - Compassion, Resolution, and Jealousy.

Mr. Martin: - That no Committee, until Mr. Hare may be righted in his Reputation. -

No mention of. Subsidy, until there be some Remedy for the Purveyors, and other Grievances.

Sir Rob. Wingfield * * * *

Sir Tho. Ridgeway: - That King could not be safe, that was poor.

Sir Walter Cope: - To clear Mr. Hare here, and by some Message to clear him there.

Mr. Secretary Herbert: - 350,000 l. a Year, for Four Years together in Ireland, -

A Committee for Consideration of the King's Want.

Sir Edwyn Sandys: - Parliament is no Parliament, if not free. -

Many Parliaments annulled, because not free heretofore. -

Cuncti se scire fatentur, sed dicere mussant. -

Freedom of a State immortal. -

Precedent of a Fault, Prejudice to future Times. -

Pax, isto modo pacta, non est pax; est pactio servitutis. -

Proceedings concerning Conduct of member at Conference.

That Mr. Hare might be cleared by this House first, and then a Message to the Lords, upon a Conference, importing so much. -

And that their Lordships would not, in future Time, censure any, without the Judgment of this House.

Sir Geo. Moore: - That some short Course might be taken to right ourselves.

Sir John Hollice: - That the House should first be delivered from this Obstruction and Obloquy. - A Question.

Quest. Whether Mr. Hare did err in his Employment in the Committee with the

Lords ?

Resolved, upon the Question, he did not.

Not to send any Message to the Lords; but some, at the Committee for Purveyors, to make known, that Mr. Hare is justified.

Resolution, That all Dispute should cease till Tomorrow.