House of Commons Journal Volume 5
18 December 1646

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 5: 18 December 1646', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 5: 1646-1648 (1802), pp. 18-19. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=24971 Date accessed: 21 April 2014. Add to my bookshelf


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Die Veneris, 18 Decembris, 1646.

Prayers.

Message from Lords.

A MESSAGE from the Lords, by Dr. Aylett and Dr. Heath;

The Lords have commanded us to let you know, that they have formerly appointed a Committee for the Settling of the Great Seal: And that their Committee are to meet at Three of the Clock this Afternoon: They desire the Committee of this House may then meet likewise.

They have sent you the Petition of the Countess of Bedford; with their special Recommendation: An Order for Fees to the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod, for bringing up the Earl of Worcester: desire you would favour him therein with your speedy Concurrence.

They have commanded us to put you in mind of an Ordinance formerly sent unto you, concerning Goldsmiths Hall: They desire you would take it into Consideration; and send a speedy Answer thereunto.

They have sent you an Ordinance, concerning Mr. Thomas Smith: A Report from the Committee of the Admiralty, concerning Captain Kettleby.

They have commanded us to put you in mind of the Business of Johnson and Knight, who are to be reimbursed their Moneys laid out for the Parliament; and of the Business of Mr. Pennoyer.

The Lords desire that the Papers and Letters, which concern the Business of Ogle, and were sent to this House, may be brought to the Committee of Lords appointed to examine that Matter.

Great Seal.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree, That the Committee of this House do meet with the Committee of the Lords, this Afternoon at Three of the Clock, concerning the Settling of the Great Seal.

Answer to Lords.

Answer returned by the same Messengers;

The House hath considered your Message: And, as to the Meeting of the Committee, concerning the Settling of the Great Seal, they do agree: And, as to the rest of the Particulars of this Message, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Grant for Scotch Army, &c.

According to the Order Yesterday made, the House took into Consideration the Remainder of the Scotts Paper reported 12 Decembris 1646. And

It is Resolved, &c. That the Substance of the Answer to that Part of the Scotts Paper, reported 12 Decembris 1646, concerning the Assistance desired by our Brethren of Scotland, shall be; That this House doth Declare, That this Business hath no relation to the Business now in hand, concerning the Marching of their Armies and Forces out of the Kingdom, and the Quitting and Delivering up of the Garisons: When that shall be done, that then the Houses will take that Business, concerning the Assistance desired, into due Consideration.

Resolved, &c. That there shall be no further Addition to this Question.

Resolved, &c. That the Substance of the Answer to the last Part of the Scotts Paper, concerning the Paying of Quarter, shall be; That, after the Payment of the first Hundred thousand Pounds, the Army shall require or take no Money from the Country, nor no Goods whatsoever; but shall pay for all such Provisions as they shall receive from the Country.

Ditto.

Mr. Pierpont reported a Paper of some Alterations desired by the Scotts Commissioners, to be made in the Articles of Agreement, concerning the Payment of the Four hundred thousand Pounds to our Brethren of Scotland: And

It is thereupon Resolved, &c. That all the Words in the First Article of Agreement, concerning the Payment of the Four hundred thousand Pounds to our Brethren of Scotland, after the Words "November One thousand Six hundred Forty-three," in the Seventh Line, be left out; and, instead thereof, the Words hereafter following may be put in; videlicet, "and for due Recompence, and full Satisfaction, for all their Pains, Hazard, and Charges, which they have undergone; and for whatever else the Kingdom of Scotland can claim of the Kingdom of England, by virtue of the said Treaties."

And the Article, thus altered, is in hæc Verba; videlicet,

"That Four hundred thousand Pounds be paid to the Kingdom of Scotland, in manner hereafter expressed, for the Pay of their Army brought into the Kingdom of England, for the Assistance of this Kingdom; and of their Forces that came into the Garison of Berwick, by virtue of the Treaties between the Two Kingdoms, of the Nine-and-twentieth of November 1643; and for due Recompence, and full Satisfaction, for all their Pains, Hazard, and Charges, which they have undergone; and for whatever else the Kingdom of Scotland can claim of the Kingdom of England, by virtue of the said Treaties."

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Resolved, &c. That, in the Fifteenth Article, after these Words, "the Payment of the latter One hundred thousand Pounds," these Words be added; videlicet, "That all Monuments, Tokens, and Shews of Hostility, upon the Borders of the Two Kingdoms, be taken away: That the Fortifications of Berwick and Caerlisle be reduced to the same Condition they were before the late Troubles; and that the Works be not repaired, but suffered to decay; according as is especially provided for, and agreed to, between the Two Kingdoms, by the Articles of the large Treaty.

Resolved, &c. That the Words "and not otherwise," in the Fifteenth Article, after the Words, "according to the large Treaty," be left out.

Resolved, &c. That this Clause following be added, at the End of the Fifteenth Article; videlicet, "and likewise the Parliament of Scotland, or any by them authorized, are to appoint such Persons as they shall think fit, to see this performed."

And then the Fifteenth, thus altered and amended, will be in hæc verba; videlicet,

"That, upon the Coming of the latter Hundred thousand Pounds out of Newcastle, Hostages shall be delivered to the Kingdom of England, by the Kingdom of Scotland, for Assurance that all the Scottish Armies and Forces shall march out of the Kingdom of England, within Ten Days after the Payment of the latter Hundred thousand Pounds; that all Monuments, Tokens, and Shews of Hostility, upon the Borders of the Two Kingdoms, be taken away; that the Fortifications of Berwick and Caerlisle be reduced to the same Condition they were before the late Troubles; and that the Works be not repaired, but suffered to decay; according as is especially provided, and agreed to, between the Two Kingdoms, by the Articles of the large Treaty: And that the said Towns be quitted; and all Ordnance, Arms, and Ammunition therein, belonging to the Kingdom of England, be, within the said Ten Days, delivered unto such Persons as shall be appointed by both Houses of the Parliament of England (or such as shall be by them, or any authorized by them, for that Purpose, appointed) to receive the same: Who also are appointed to see Berwick and Caerlisle slighted, in manner as aforesaid: And are hereby authorized to call in the Aid of the Country, for the doing thereof, as they shall see Cause: and likewise the Parliament of Scotland, or any by them authorized, are to appoint such Persons as they shall think fit, to see this performed."

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Resolved, &c. That all in the Thirteenth Article, after the Words "in manner as aforesaid," be left out; and that, instead thereof, these Words following be added, viz. "to such Persons, and in such Manner, as is expressed in the Sixth and Seventh Articles, for the Payment of the First Hundred thousand Pounds: And Acquittances are thereupon to be given, as in the said Seventh Article is expressed.

And then the Thirteenth Article, thus amended, will be in hæc verba; viz.

"That, when the Scotts Army and Forces are marching out of, and the English Forces entering into, Newcastle, and Tynmouth Castle; and that there be Five hundred of the Garison appointed by both Houses of Parliament entered into Newcastle, and not above Five hundred of the Scotts Forces remaining therein; that Hostages shall then be given by the Kingdom of England to the Kingdom of Scotland, for Assurance that the latter Hundred thousand Pounds of the Two hundred thousand Pounds shall be paid unto the Kingdom of Scotland, on the North Side of the Works of Newcastle, within a Mile of the said Works, within Six Days after the Delivery of Newcastle, Timnouth Castle, and Places aforesaid, in Manner as aforesaid, to such Persons, and in such Manner, as is expressed in the Sixth and Seventh Articles, for the Payment of the First Hundred thousand Pounds: And Acquittances are thereupon to be given, as in the said Seventh Article is expressed."

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

The Question being put, For Leave to be given to speak to the former Order, concerning the giving the Publick Faith of the Kingdom of England, for a Security for the Payment of the latter Two hundred thousand Pounds, Residue of the Four hundred thousand Pounds, agreed to be paid to our Brethren of Scotland;

It passed with the Affirmative: And

It is Resolved, &c. That, in Discharge of Part of the latter Two hundred thousand Pounds, Residue of the Four hundred thousand Pounds, for which the Publick Faith of the Kingdom of England is given, the Sum of Fifty thousand Pounds shall be paid out of the Receipts of Monies at Goldsmiths Hall, in Part of the First Hundred thousand Pounds of the said latter Two hundred thousand Pounds, at the same time the said First Hundred thousand Pounds is to be paid.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Mr. Pierpoint reported further the Forms of Three several Acquittances, to be given for the Payment of the Two hundred thousand Pounds now to be paid. The First of the said Acquittances was for the Sum of Twelve thousand Pounds, paid to the Scotts Commissioners at London: The which was read; and approved of: And was in hæc verba; viz.

KNOW all Men, by these Presents, That We John Earl of London, Lord Chancellor of the Kingdom of Scotland, John Earl of Lauderdaill, Sir Charles Erskyn Knight, Hew Kennedy and Robert Barclay Esquires, Commissioners from the Kingdom of Scotland, have, according to certain Articles of Agreement, agreed upon between Committees of Lords and Commons of the Parliament of England, and Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland, authorized thereunto by the Parliaments of each Kingdom respectively, and in pursuance of the same Articles, received of William Gibbs Esquire, Alderman of the City of London, and Thomas Noell and Francis Ashe Esquires, appointed by an Ordinance of both Houses, of the Sixteenth of November last, to be Treasurers of the Monies to be raised upon the Sale of Bishops Lands, the Sum of Twelve thousand Pounds Sterling, in Part of the First Hundred Thousand Pounds, appointed by the said Articles to be paid by the Kingdom of England to the Kingdom of Scotland; which we do hereby acknowledge to have received, in the Name and for the Use of the Kingdom of Scotland; and do accept as Part of the said First Hundred thousand Pounds, to be paid as aforesaid: In Witness whereof, we have hereunto put our Hands and Seals, this Day of 1646, in Presence of

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Grant for scotch Army. &c.

The Second Acquittance was for the Sum of Eightyeight thousand Pounds: The which was read; and, upon the Question, approved of; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence; and was in hæc verba; viz.

KNOW all Men, by these Presents, That, upon the Day of I Adam Hepburne Knight, Treasurers of the Scotts Army in England, have, according to certain Articles of Agreement, agreed upon between Committees of Lords and Commons of the Parliament of England, and Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland, authorized thereunto by the Parliaments of each Kingdom, respectively, bearing Date the Day of And in pursuance of the same, and in the Time, Place, and Manner, therein prescribed and appointed, received of William Gibbs Esquire, Alderman of the City of London, and Thomas Noell and Francis Ashe Esquires, appointed by an Ordinance of both Houses, of the Sixteenth of November last, to be Treasurers for the Monies arising upon the Sale of Bishops Lands, the Sum of Eighty-eight thousand Pounds Sterling; which, together with Twelve thousand Pounds, received at London by the Commissioners of Scotland, in the Name and for the Use of the Kingdom of Scotland, for which the said Commissioners have given an Acquittance, is in full Payment of the First Hundred thousand Pounds, appointed and agreed to be paid by the Kingdom of England to the Kingdom of Scotland by the said Articles of Agreement: In Witness whereof I have hereunto put my Hand and Seal, this Day of Sealed and delivered in the Presence of

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

The Third Acquittance was for the Sum of One hundred thousand Pounds: The which was read; and, upon the Question, approved of; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence; and was in hæc verba; viz.

KNOW all Men, by these Presents, That, upon the Day of I Adam Hepburne Knight, Treasurer of the Scotts Army in England, have, according to certain Articles of Agreement, agreed upon between Committees of Lords and Commons of the Parliament of England, and Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland, authorized thereunto by the Parliaments of each Kingdom, respectively, bearing Date the Day of and in pursuance of the same, and in the Time, Place, and Manner, therein prescribed and appointed, received of William Gibbs Esquire, Alderman of the City of London, and Thomas Noell and Francis Ashe Esquires, appointed by an Ordinance of both Houses, of the Sixteenth of November last, to be Treasurers for the Monies arising upon the Sale of Bishops Lands, the Sum of One hundred thousand Pounds Sterling; which is in full Payment of the Second Hundred thousand Pounds, appointed and agreed to be paid by the Kingdom of England to the Kingdom of Scotland by the said Articles: In Witness whereof I have hereunto put my Hand and Seal, this Day of Sealed and delivered

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Mr. Pierpont is appointed to carry these several Orders to the Lords for their Concurrence.

Mr. Pennoyer.

Ordered, That the Message, formerly sent from the Lords, concerning Mr. Pennoyer, be taken into Consideration, the first Business, To-morrow Morning.

Johnson's &c. Claims.

Ordered, That the Message, this Day sent from the Lords, concerning Mr. Johnson and Mr. Knight, be taken into Consideration To-morrow Morning.