House of Commons Journal Volume 5
29 March 1647

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 5: 29 March 1647', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 5: 1646-1648 (1802), pp. 128-129. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=25056 Date accessed: 25 October 2014.


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Die Lunæ, 29 Martii, 1647.

Prayers.

Leave of Absence.

ORDERED, &c. That Sir Thomas Wroth, a Member of this House, shall have Leave to go into the Country.

Disbanding Forces.

Resolved, &c. That all the Foot of the Northern Association, excepting such as are appointed to be retained in the Garisons, be forthwith disbanded.

Resolved, &c. That all the Foot throughout the Kingdom of England, and Dominion of Wales, except such as are to be kept in the Garisons, and are to be employed in the Service of Ireland, be forthwith disbanded.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page;

The Lords have commanded us to deliver unto you a Minute of a Letter to the King, in Answer of his: They desire the Concurrence of this House; and that it may be signed by the Speakers of both Houses: An Ordinance to enable the Committee of the Northern Association to put in Execution the Ordinances for Sequestrations: It moved from this House; and the Lords have agreed to it, with these Alterations.

The Lords desire to put you in mind of an Ordinance they sent unto you, for putting down all Country Committees; that it hath lain long with this House; and they desire they will take it into Consideration: They have sent an Ordinance for Discovery of those that do clip and falsify Monies and Coins; and desire the Concurrence of this House: A Petition of the Viscount Hereford: He hath suffered much for his good Affection to the Parliament; therefore they do especially recommend it to this House. They desire to put the House in mind of an Ordinance to restrain the Killing of Flesh: And likewise of an Ordinance concerning the Power of the Commissioners for the Chancellorship of the Duchy of Lancaster: of the Lord Morley's Petition: Of Captain Thompson's Petition.

The Lords have sent unto you a Report from the Committee of the Revenue, for appointing Mr. John Nelthorpe, a Member of this House, to be Steward of the Manors of Barton and Barrow in the County of Lincolne: The Lords have agreed to it; and desire the Concurrence of this House: An Ordinance for the Settling of a Maintenance for Two Ministers in the City of Bathe: An Ordinance for appointing Mr. Jelenger to be Vicar of Southbrent in the County of Devon: An Ordinance for Mr. Ameredith, to be Rector of the Church of Landulph in the County of Cornewall: A Petition of William Johanns, a Merchant of London; which they especially recommend unto this House.

Northern Association.

The Alterations, sent from the Lords, to the Ordinance to enable the Committee of the Northern Association to put in Execution the Ordinances for Sequestrations, were this Day read; and nothing more done upon them at this Time.

Answer to Lords.

Resolved, &c. That, to all the Particulars of this Message, the Answer shall be, That this House will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That, this House hath considered their Lordships Message; and will send Answer to all the Particulars of it by Messengers of their own.

Bithe Ministers.

Ordered, &c. That the Ordinance concerning the Settling of Preaching Ministers in the City of Bathe, and all the other Particulars of this Message, be read, and taken into Consideration on Friday next come Sevennight, the first Business.

Excise, &c.

An Ordinance for charging the Sum of Eight hundred Fifty-seven Pounds Four Shillings Eight-pence upon the Receipts of the Excise, in Course; and for paying the same to Colonel John Birch, or his Assignee, with Interest for the same, for the Forbearance thereof, being for a Month's Pay for Two Troops of Horse, contracted to be transported by him for the Service of Ireland, was this Day read; and, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent to the Lords for their Concurrence.

Ordered, upon the Question, That Colonel John Birch, a Member of this House, be referred to the Committee for taking the Accompts of the whole Kingdom, to take, state, and certify his Accompts: And herein they may advise and receive Information from the Knights of the Shire and Burgesses that serve for Herefordshire, the City, and Boroughs there.

Resolved, &c. That no Monies be charged upon the Receipts of the Excise, until the Report of the State of those Accompts be made; and that the House take further Order; to the end the Monies, coming in upon those Receipts, may be reserved, to be employed for the publick Service of the Kingdom of England and Ireland.

Ordered, &c. That, on Wednesday next come Sevennight, the first Business, the whole Business of the Excise be reported, stated, and taken into Consideration.

Army.

According to former Order, the House proceeded to the Consideration of the Business concerning the Horse, that is to be kept up in the Kingdom of England.

The Question was propounded, That these Three Regiments, Colonel Poynts', Colonel Bethell's, and Colonel Copleye's shall be Part of the Five thousand Four hundred Horse, voted to be kept up in the Kingdom of England.

And the Question being put, Whether this Question shall be now put;

It passed with the Affirmative.

The Question being put, Whether these three Regiments, Colonel Poynts' Colonel Bethell's, and Colonel Copleye's, shall be Part of the Five thousand Four hundred Horse, voted to be kept up in the Kingdom of England:

The House was divided.

The Yeas went forth.

Mr. Baynton, Tellers for the Yea: 89.
Mr. Doyly, With the Yea,
Mr. Morley, Tellers for the Noe: 77.
Mr. Hatcher, With the Noe,

So that the Question passed with the Affirmative.

Resolved, &c. That these Three Regiments, Colonel Poynts', Colonel Bethell's, and Colonel Copleye's, shall be Part of the Five thousand Four hundred Horse, voted to be kept up in the Kingdom of England.

Resolved, &c. That it be referred to the Committee of the Northern Association, to complete the Regiments, now voted, out of the Forces, not disbanded, of the Four Northern Counties, Nottinghamshire, and the adjacent Counties, in such manner as shall be most for the Service of the Kingdom: And are to take especial Care, that the Officers and Soldiers of these Regiments, be such as are according to the Qualifications: And it is especially referred to this Committee, to take care that these Regiments consist only of English. And the Care of this Business is more particularly referred to Mr. Robinson.

Letter read.

A Letter from Walden, of 27 Martii, 1647, directed to Colonel Harley, was twice read.

Resolved, &c. That a Letter be sent to the General, containing the Substance of this Information.

The Question being put, Whether the Second Part of this Letter, now read by Mr. Speaker, shall be sent to the General;

It passed with the Negative.

Resolved, &c. That, in this Letter, the General be desired to give Order, That Lieutenant Colonel Pride do attend this House.

Petitioning by the Army.

A Letter directed to Colonel Rosseter, of 28 Martii, at Noon, signed H. with a Paper inclosed, styled, "The Heads of a Petition, endeavoured to be obtruded, as the Sense of the Army, delivered in to Colonel Rosseter," was this Day read.

Resolved, &c. That Thanks be given to Colonel Rosseter and Colonel Harley, for these timely Informations.

Mr. Speaker accordingly did give them Thanks.

Ordered, &c. That Colonel Rosseter do send his Major down to his Regiment; and acquaint them, That this House takes well the Carriage of the Officers and Soldiers, in not engaging in the Petition; but gave Notice of their Dislike thereof: And that he inform them, the Sense this House has of that Petition; and the Order they have taken for stopping any further Proceedings upon the Petition in the Army.

Resolved, &c. That the General be desired to give Order, That Colonel Hammond, Lieutenant General Hamond, Colonel Lilbourne, and Lieutenant Colonel Grimes, do attend the House.

Resolved, &c. That the Serjeant do give Notice to Colonel Riche, that he do attend the Committee appointed to examine the Proceedings upon the Petition informed to be carrying on in the Army.

Ordered, &c. That the Committee for the Petition, informed to be carrying on in the Army, shall have Power to examine Commissary General Ireton.

Mr. Holles, Mr. Tate, Mr. Swinfen, Col. Birch, are appointed to prepare a Declaration, upon the Debate now had in the House; and to present it to the House Tomorrow Morning.

Resolved, &c. That the Informations given to the House, concerning the Petition that is carrying on in the Army, and the Votes and Proceedings thereupon, be communicated to the Lords, at a Conference, To-morrow Morning: And Sir Robert Harley is appointed to go to the Lords, to desire the Conference.

Resolved, &c. That Serjeant Major General Skippon be sent to, forthwith to come up to the Army: And it is left to Serjeant Major General Skippon to depute one in his Place, to take the Charge of Newcastle and Tynmouth, until both Houses take further Order.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Army Arrears.

Resolved, &c. That the Monies in the Hands of Mr. Berry, Treasurer for the County of Lincolne, that are levied, and such as are to be levied in that County, upon any of the Ordinances of Parliament, except the Monies for Ireland, be, by the said Mr. Berry, paid over to Colonel Rossitour's Regiment, upon Muster, towards Satisfaction of the Arrears of that Regiment, and other Troops, late under his Command, and Pay of Quarters for Man and Horse.

Person to attend.

Resolved, &c. That Lieutenant Griffith Lloyd be forthwith sent for to attend this House.

Army for Ireland.

Resolved, &c. That it be referred to the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, at Derby House, to draw out such of the Army as shall engage to go for Ireland, from the rest of the Army, into a Body, as they shall think fit: And that Direction be given to the General, That the other Regiments of the Army may be laid further asunder, for the Ease of the Country: And that a Stop may be given to such Regiments as are ordered to march nearer to the Head Quarters.

Petitioning by the Army.

Ordered, &c. That the General, in the Letter appointed to be sent unto him, be acquainted with the Substance of the Information given to the House, in the Letter of Colonel Rosseter's.

Resolved, &c. That Ten Pounds be bestowed upon the Messenger that brought the Letter to Colonel Rossiter, from his Regiment; and paid by the Treasurers at Goldsmiths Hall.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Leave of Absence.

Ordered, &c. That Sir Charles Egerton, a Member of this House shall have Leave to go into the Country.

Ordered, &c. That Mr. Knightley, a Member of this House shall have Leave to go into the Country.

Dispatch of Letters, &c.

Ordered, &c. That Mr. Walter Frost, Secretary to the Committee at Derby House, do dispatch away all such Letters and Dispatches as shall be ordered to be signed by Mr. Speaker, by such Messengers as belong to that Committee.

Declaration.

Resolved, &c. That the Declaration appointed to be prepared, and now brought in, shall be now read.

Mr. Holles reported the Declaration: The which was first read by himself, and then by the Clerk; and, upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence.

* * * * (fn. [a]) .

Message to Lords.

Sir Robert Harley carried to the Lords, for their Concurrence, the Order for charging the Sum of Six thousand Seven hundred and Forty Pounds upon the Receipts at Goldsmiths Hall, for the discharging and transporting Colonel Birche's Foot, and Two Troops of his Horse, into Ireland: An Order for charging upon the Receipts of the Excise the Sum of Eight hundred Fifty-seven Pounds Four Shillings and Eight-pence upon the Receipts of the Excise, for a Month's Pay for Colonel Birche's Troops, after they shall be on Shipboard: An Order for charging the Sum of Five hundred Pounds upon Goldsmiths Hall, in Course, to be paid to Major Samuel Birche, in Part of his Arrears: An Order for Pardon of the Delinquency, and taking off the Sequestration, of Sir John Bridges' Estate, Real and Personal: An Order for Pardon of the Delinquency, and taking off the Sequestration, of Dr. Aldern's Estate, Real and Personal: An Order for Pardon of the Delinquency, and taking off the Sequestration, of Mr. Rodd's Estate, Real and Personal.

Footnotes

[a] Here is a Declaration erased; against which is written "Deletur per Ordinem tertii Junii 1647, sedente Curid. H.E."