House of Commons Journal Volume 5
13 May 1647

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 5: 13 May 1647', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 5: 1646-1648 (1802), pp. 169-171. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=25084 Date accessed: 24 November 2014.


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Die Jovis, 13 Maii, 1647.

Prayers.

Swale's Delinquency.

ORDERED, &c. That the Informations concerning the Delinquency of Mr. Soloman Swale, and the Letter from Rippon, of 7 Maii 1647, and the Examinations inclosed, be referred to the Consideration and Examination of the Committee at Haberdashers Hall: And they are to use all Diligence in the Examination of this Business: And are to report on Thursday Morning next, the next Business after the Reports at Goldsmiths Hall.

Borrowing Money.

Mr. Holles reports the Additions and Amendments to the Ordinance for Borrowing of Two hundred thousand Pounds: The which were twice read.

Resolved, &c. That Colonel Robert Manwaringe be the Register Accomptant named in this Ordinance, with the Fee of One hundred Pounds per Annum, payable by the Hands of the Treasurers, for his Pains in this Service: And for such Clerks, or Under Officers, as shall be employed in and about the Premises; the same shall be approved of by the said Treasurers, and receive such reasonable Salary for their Service, as the said Treasurers shall, from time to time, think fit.

The Amendments reported by the Reporter, and read, were put to the Question; and, upon the Question, assented unto.

A Proviso, to be added to this Ordinance, concerning the excepting from this Security such Fines as shall be imposed upon such Delinquents as have or shall compound upon Particulars, wherein are either Omissions, or Under Valuations, was read the First and Second time; and, upon the Question, passed.

And then the Ordinance, with the Amendments, Additions, and Provisoes, was put to the Question; and, upon the Question passed: and is ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence.

Mr. Holles carried to the Lords, for their Concurrence, this Ordinance, with these Provisoes and Additions, thus passed.

He was further to put the Lords in mind of the Ordinance for raising of Sixty thousand Pounds per mensem, for the Service of England and Ireland.

Message to Lords.

Mr. Lisle carried to the Lords, for their Concurrence, the Propositions to be presented to the King, together with the Instructions to the Commissioners at Holdenby, for presenting the same.

He is likewise to put the Lords in mind of an Ordinance formerly sent unto them, concerning Sir Thomas Fairefaxe's receiving and enjoying Rents to the Value of Five thousand Pounds per Annum, out of the Lands and Estates of Delinquents, &c.; and of the Business concerning Jersey; and to press the Necessity of speeding their Resolutions in that Business.

Answer.

Mr. Lisle brings answer, That he delivered the several Messages to the Lords: And that they will send Answer thereunto by Messengers of their own.

Raising Horses.

Ordered, &c. That the Ordinance concerning the Publick Faith for Horses raised for the Service of the Parliament, and now presented, be read immediataly after the Messengers now to be called in shall be dispatched.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page:

The Lords have commanded us to deliver you this Order for the Earl of Dunfarlynge to have Access to the King; to which they desire your Concurrence: A Petition of the Earl of Northampton; whereupon the Lords have made this Order; to which they desire your Concurrence: To put you in mind of a Petition of the Earl of Mulgrave, which hath been sent to you long since: The Lords desire you to take it into speedy Consideration. They have also commanded us to deliver you a Report from the Committee of the Admiralty, concerning the Sweedish Ships; with Votes of theirs; to which the Lords do agree, as is herein expressed: A Report from the Committee of the Irish Affairs, for the Continuance of a Ship in Service, under the Command of Captain Rich: which the Lords refer to the Committee of the Admiralty; and therein desire your Concurrence: A Letter to the Lord Herbert of Cherbury; which the Lords think fit to refer to the Committee of both Kingdoms: And that his Lordship may be there heard; wherein they desire your Concurrence. We are to acquaint you, That the Earl of Denbigh hath desired Leave to come to London, about his own Occasions; which the Lords have granted him for Ten Days: Whereupon they have made this Order; and therein they do desire your Concurrence.

E. of Dumfarlinge's Access to the king.

The Order, sent from the Lords, from the Earl of Dumfarlinge to have Access to the King, was read.

A Letter from the Scotts Commissioners from Worcester House, of 6 Maii 1647, was this Day read; and was, to desire that the said Earl may have Access to his Majesty, to repair unto, and attend on him, at Holdenby.

The Question being propounded, That these Words, "and not otherwise," should be added in the Eighth Line, after the Word "last," and before the Word "the;"

The Question was put, That this Question should be now put:

It passed with the Negative.

The Question being put, That these Words, "but not to attend his Majesty as a Servant," should be added in the Eighth Line, after the Word "last," and before the Word "the;" and that the Clause from the Word "last," in the Eighth Line, unto the latter End, be omitted;

It passed with the Affirmative. And

It is Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree with the Lords in the said Order so amended.

And then the Order, so agreed, is as followeth; viz.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons, in Parliament assembled, That the Earl of Dumfarlinge shall have Access to his Majesty, at Holdenby, according to the Agreement of both Houses with the Kingdom of Scotland, signified in a Letter dated the Seven-and-twentieth of January last; but not to attend his Majesty as a Servant."

E. of Northampton's Composition.

The Petition of James Earl of Northampton, this Day sent from the Lords, and the Lords Order thereupon, for admitting of him to compound at Two Years Purchase; and that his Fifth and Twentieth Part, shall be included therein; were read.

The humble Petition of John Cartwright Esquire, on the Behalf of himself and Mrs. Mary Cartwright his Mother, to have Ten thousand Pounds granted them out of the Earl of Northampton's Fine, towards their Losses, was this Day read.

The Lords Order, upon the Petition of the Earl of Northampton, was read; and was in hæc verba; viz.

"Upon Consideration had of the Petition of the Right Honourable James Earl of Northampton, and the Motives thereunto annexed; and more particular of his Youth, and Engagement in the War by his Father's Command; his early endeavouring to come in, and laying down Arms when his Command was no ways inconsiderable; his free Choice, rather to come in from Oxford, and cast himself upon the Favour of the Parliament, than to capitulate here; the Want of his Evidences, and his Submission to compound as Tenant in Fee; which distinguish his Case from all others: It it Ordered, by the Lords and in Parliament assembled, That the said Earl shall be admitted to his Composition at Two Years Purchase; and that his Fifth, and Twentieth Parts, shall be included therein."

"The Concurrence of the House of Commons is desired herein."

The Question being put, For agreeing with the Lords in this Order, sent from them, upon the Petition of the Earl of Northampton;

It passed with the Negative.

The Question was propounded, That the Earl of Northampton be referred to the Committee at Goldsmiths Hall, to be compounded with according to the Rules and Orders given to that Committee; and that a Report be made before he pay the Moiety of the Fine:

And the Question being put, Whether this Question shall be now put;

It passed with the Negative.

Resolved, &c. That the Earl of Northampton be referred to the Committee at Goldsmiths Hall, to compound for his Delinquency.

Officers Petitions,&c.

Ordered, &c. That the Petitions, now offered by Sir Philip Stapleton, from divers Officers, and the Business concerning the Northern Officers, be read, and taken into Consideration, To-morrow Morning, the first Business.

Earl of Mulgrave, &c.

The humble Petition of Edmond Earl of Mulgrave, formerly sent from the Lords, was now read: And

It is Ordered, That the Petition, upon the whole Matter of it, be referred to the Committee following; who are to consider of the Damages, and to state the whole Matter of Fact: The same Committee is further to consider of the Damages and Interest of Mr. Challoner and Mr. Richard Bourcher, in the Alum Works, and of the whole Business concerning the Alum and the Alum Works: And have Power to receive the Petitions of all Parties, concerning this Business, both Dyers and others: And, upon Consideration of all, to state the whole Matter of Fact, both in relation to the Damage and Interest of the Parties pretending, and to the whole Business of the Alum and the Alum Works:

Mr. Challoner, Mr. Lisle, Sir John Maynard, Mr. Love, Mr. Jo. Goodwyn, Mr. Pierrepont, Mr. Darley, Sir Ralphe Ashton, Sir Henry Cholmeley, Sir Tho. Widdrington, Sir Gregory Norton, Sir Richard Haughton, Sir Robert Pye, Mr. Boone, Mr. Robinson, Mr. Marten, Sir Robert Harley, Sir Ben. Rudyerd, Sir Walter Erle, Sir Wm. Counstable, Mr. Blakeston, Mr. Miles Corbett, Mr. Walker, Mr. Sandys, Mr. Gourdon, Sir John D'Anvers, Colonel Harvey, Mr. Dormer, Sir Richard Onslowe, Sir Henry Vane senior, Mr. Bond, Mr. Nicholl, Mr. Holles, Mr. Dodderiche, Colonel White, Sir Edward Partheriche, Sir Thomas Dacres, Sir Gilbert Gerrard, Mr. Weaver, Mr. Whitelocke, Mr. Fenwicke, Sir Christopher Yelverton, the Knights and Burgesses of Yorkeshire: And all that will come to have Voices: And they are to meet To-morrow at Two post meridiem, in the Exchequer Chamber; and so de die in diem, as they shall have Occasion: And have Power to send for Patents, Papers, Records, Parties, and Witnesses: And the Care of this Business is more particularly referred to Sir Thomas Widdrington and Mr. Lisle.

Ordered, &c. That the Committee of the Revenue do, at the same time as the Report shall be made from this Committee, report the State of the Business concerning the Alum and the Alum Works, as it stands before them.

Sweedish Ships.

The Report from the Committee of Lords and Commons for the Admiralty and Cinque Ports, touching the Sweedish Ships, was read; and was in hæc verba, viz.

"Die Jovis, 7 Maii, 1647."

"By the Committee of Lords and Commons for the Admiralty and Cinque Ports;"

"An Order of the House of Commons, whereby the Papers concerning the Sweedish Ships, and the whole Business thereupon depending, were referred to this Committee; who were to meet, and report their Opinions this Day; was now considered of. And for as much as, upon Reading of the said Papers, there appeared no Cause for the longer Detention of the Sweedish Vice Admiral, brought into the Downs by Captain Batten; and for that a Detriment may arise by the Respiting of her Discharge until the Parliament's Sitting (they having adjourned till Tuesday next); the rest of the Sweedish Ships, who are certified to be out of Victuals, being also come into the Downes, to attend the Issue of this Matter:"

"Resolved, That a Letter be written to Captain Batten, forthwith to discharge the said Vice Admiral of the Sweedish Fleet, that the with the rest of the said Fleet may proceed on their Voyage home."

"A Letter to Captain Batten was accordingly written, in this Form; viz.

"Captain Batten."

"We have received and considered of your several Letters, concerning the Sweedish Ships; and think fit, that the Vice Admiral of that Fleet by you brought into the Downes, be no longer detained: And therefore would have you forthwith to discharge her, that she, with the rest of the same Fleet, may proceed on their Voyage home."

"Concerning this Matter, you shall hear further from us, after a Report to both Houses, agreed upon this Day, shall be presented."

"Resolved, That this Committee is of Opinion, That the Vice Admiral's and Rear Admiral's Proceedings, in order to the Maintenance of the Kingdom's Sovereignty by Sea, be approved of by both Houses."

"Ordered, That this Committee's Proceedings and Opinions, in this Matter, be reported to both Houses of Parliament."

"Die Martis, 11 Maii, 1647."

Resolved, That this Committee is of Opinion, That a Letter from both Houses of Parliament to the Queen of Sweeden, or a Remonstrance to her Agent here, be sent or delivered, to the Effect following; viz."

"To set forth the Right of this Crown to the Sovereignity of the Narrow Seas; the violating thereof, by her Commanders refusing to take in their Flags, on colour of their Instructions; the Proceeding of the Parliament's Ships thereupon; the Parliament's respect to the said Queen; and their Readiness to maintain Amity and good Correspondency with the Crown of Sweeden; together with their Desires, that, for preventing future Misunderstandings, her Majesty's Commander at Sea may not in like Cases deny that Respect which is due to this Crown."

W. Jessop Secretary."

"The Lords Opinion upon the said Report was likewise read; and was in hæc verba, viz."

"The Lords do approve of what the Vice Admiral and Rear Admiral have done concerning the Sweedish Ships, in Maintenance of the Sovereignty of the Seas belonging to this Crown; and do refer it to the Committee of the Admiralty, to draw up a Letter, or Remonstrance, to be sent to the Queen of Sweeden, or her Commissioner here, according to the Report of the Admiralty of the Eleventh of May 1647; and to report the same to the Houses before it be sent: And the Concurrence of the House of Commons is desired herein."

Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree with the Lords in this their Opinion, thus expressed, upon the Report aforesaid.

Navy.

The Report from the Committee of the Irish Affairs, for the Continuance of a Ship in Service, under the Command of Captain Riche, which the Lords refer to the Committee of the Admiralty, was read. And

It is Resolved, &c. That this House doth concur with the Lords herein.

Ld. Herbert.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth concur with the Lords, in referring the Letter to the Lord Herbert of Cherbury, now sent from the Lords, to the Consideration of the Committee of both Kingdoms: And that his Lordship may be there heard.

Earl of Denbygh.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth concur with the Lords in giving Liberty to the Earl of Denbygh, one of the Commissioners from both Houses of Parliament at Holdenby, to return to the City of London, and to continue in and about the said City for the Space of Ten Days; and then to return.

Publick Faith.

Ordered, &c. That the Ordinances concerning Publick Faith, be read To-morrow Morning.

Irish Affairs.

Ordered, &c. That the Report from the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, in Mr. Tate's Hand, be made To-morrow Morning.

Scotts Forces in Ireland.

Ordered, &c. That the Report concerning Dismission of the Scotts Forces out of Ireland, be made To-morrow Morning.

Plantations.

Ordered, &c. That the Committee for Foreign Plantations be revived; to sit on Tuesday next, in the usual Place: And have Power to de die in diem, as they shall see Occasion, to proceed in the Business concerning the Earl of Caerlisle's Letters Patents.

Answer to Lords.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message: And as to the Order concerning the Earl of Dumfarlinge to have Access to the King; the Petition of the Earl of Northampton, and the Lords Answer thereupon; the Petition of the Earl of Mulgrave: they will send Answer by Messengers of their own: To the rest, they do agree.