House of Commons Journal Volume 5
18 May 1647

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 5: 18 May 1647', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 5: 1646-1648 (1802), pp. 175-177. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=25086 Date accessed: 23 August 2014.


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Die Martis, 18 Maii, 1647.

Prayers.

Coinage.

AN Ordinance inhibiting the Payment or Receipt of any clipped Monies of Silver of this Kingdom.

An Ordinance, formerly sent from the Lords, concerning Clippers and Falsifiers of Coin.

Resolved, &c. That these Two Ordinances shall be read the Second time on Friday Morning next.

Copley's Claims.

A Certificate from the Earl of Manchester, of the Twentieth of February 1646, concerning Iron belonging to Mr. Copley and his Partners, made use of by the Forces under his Command; as likewise a Certificate, under the Hand of the Lord Fairefax and Sir Wm. Constable, concerning Iron made use of by the Forces under their Commands; were this Day read: And

It is Ordered, That they be referred to the Consideration of the Committee of the Navy: And they are to bring in their Report on Friday Morning next.

Court of Wards.

Ordered, That the Report concerning the Officers of the late Court of Wards, appointed to be made this Day the first Business, be made on Friday Morning next, the first Business.

Forces for Ireland.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland do send for such Persons as have contracted with the Committee in the Star Chamber for levying and transporting Men into Ireland; and receive an Account from them for their Performance of the said Contracts.

Manwaring's Claims.

Resolved, &c. That the Warrant and Accompt concerning Monies, due and payable to Colonel Robert Manwaring Register Accomptant, be read and taken into Consideration To-morrow Morning, the first Business.

Loan from the City.

Ordered, That an Ordinance for remedying some Defects, and the better putting in Execution the last Ordinance for raising and securing the Two hundred thousand Pounds, be prepared and brought in To-morrow Morning: And Mr. Gott is appointed to prepare and bring in this Ordinance.

Irish Affairs.

A Letter from the Lord Inchiquin, from Corke, of 4 Maii 1647; and Articles inclosed, for the Surrender of Cappoquine; and a Paper of some particular Necessaries, which he desires speedily to be sent over; were this Day read.

A Letter from the Lord Inchiquin, from Dungarvan, of 10Maii 1647, with Articles inclosed, for the Surrender of Dungarvan, and the Castle, was read.

Ordered, That these Letters, and the Particulars inclosed, be presently communicated to the Lords.

Ordered, That these Letters be forthwith printed.

Loan from the City.

Whereas the Sum of Twenty thousand Pounds was, by Ordinance of the Twentieth of April last, charged upon the Credit of the Treasury at Goldsmiths Hall, to be repaid out of the first Monies that shall come in upon the Loan of Two hundred thousand Pounds, to be borrowed of the City for the Service of Ireland, and for the Transportation of the Forces that are designed for that Service; out of which Sum, One thousand Four hundred Seventy-one Pounds Eleven Shillings and Eightpence was appointed to be deducted for Provisions, delivered out of the Stores of the Army for the Service of Dublyn; and to be accounted Part of the said Twenty thousand Pounds: Be it now Ordained, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the said Ordinance, as to the Payment of the said Twenty thousand Pounds by the Treasurers at Goldsmiths Hall, be revoked, annulled, and made void: And that Mr. Alderman Bunce, and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, appointed to receive the Two hundred thousand Pounds, to be borrowed of the City, as aforesaid, do, out of the Monies received by them, forthwith pay unto such Person as the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland at Derby House shall appoint, the Sum of Eighteen thousand Five hundred Twenty-eight Pounds Eight Shillings and Four-pence, for the Uses above-mentioned; the said Monies to be issued and disposed by Order of the Committee at Darby House.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Message to Lords.

Colonel Jephson carried to the Lords, for their Concurrence, the Ordinance next abovesaid: The Ordinance of Indemnity: The Vote passed this House upon the ticles of Truro: An Ordinance for giving the Publick Faith for a Troop of Horse raised by the Hamletters of the Tower: The Votes for additional Pay upon disbanding the Army; and for such of the Army as shall go into Ireland: Order for Major Boza to have One hundred Pounds out of the Receipts of the Excise, in Course: The Vote, formerly sent from the Lords, with the Amendments of this House, concerning the Earl of Dunfarling: The Order for granting Interest to the Scotts Officers for Monies granted unto them out of the Receipts at Goldsmiths Hall, by former Order: An Order for the Grant of Fifty Pounds to Mary Rawlins out of Haberdashers Hall: An Order for giving Mr. Holles the Publick Faith, for Monies formerly appointed to be paid unto him, by Warrant to the former Treasurer at Wars: An Order for the Commissioners formerly employed to the Army, to dispose Ten Pounds; and the said Ten Pounds to be paid out of Haberdashers Hall: The Letters from the Lord Inchiquin: And was to desire the Lords, That the Members of their House, that are of the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, may meet this Afternoon: And was to put the Lords in mind of the Business concerning Jersey.

Artillery, &c. for Ireland.

Resolved, &c. That Richard Deane, now Comptroller of the Train of Artillery in the Army of Sir Thomas Fairefax, be now appointed Lieutenant of the Artillery in Ireland.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Resolved, &c. That the Particulars, now proposed by the Lord Inchiquin to be sent over for carrying on the War in the Province of Munster in Ireland, be referred to the Consideration of the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, at Derby House: And they are further to consider of, and provide a Train of Artillery, Draught Horses, and Ammunition, necessary for the Service of Ireland: And to put them in a way of Execution for the speediest dispatching the said Draught Horses, Artillery, Ammunition, and Provisions, into Ireland, out of such Places in England where they may be best spared, with the convenientest and best Dispatch, for the Service of Ireland.

Resolved, &c. That an Hundred and Fifty DraughtHorses, and Twenty Waggons, with their Necessaries and Equipage, be forthwith provided for the Service of the Forces in the Province of Munster: And it is referred to the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland to make Provision of these Draught Horses, Waggons, and Equipage; and to dispatch them away with all Speed accordingly.

Ordered, That a Letter of Thanks be written to the Lord Inchiquin: And that it be referred to the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, at Derby House, to prepare this Letter.

Ordered, That the Members of this House that are of the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, at Derby House, be enjoined to meet this Afternoon: And that the Lords be desired, That the Members of their House that are of this Committee, may likewise meet this Afternoon.

Ordered, That, on this Day Sevennight, the next Business after the Reports from Goldsmiths Hall (the which are to continue till Ten of Clock), the Business concerning a Committee to go into Munster, and the other Reports and Matter concerning Ireland, be taken into Consideration.

Goldsmiths Hall Reports.

Resolved, &c. That, on every Thursday and Tuesday Morning, peremptorily, the House do begin, the first Business, with Reports from Goldsmiths Hall: And that no other Business, notwithstanding any former or other Order, do intervene on those Days: And that these Reports do continue on these Days till Ten of Clock. And Mr. Speaker is, from time to time, to put the House in mind of this Order.

Accompts, &c.

Ordered, That, on Thursday next, the Certificates of Accompts, and other Particulars, formerly appointed for that Day, be taken into Consideration, next after the Reports from Goldsmiths Hall.

Forces for Ireland.

Ordered, That the Committee of the Navy shall have Power to contract with such Shipping as they shall think sitting and most convenient for the Transporting of Forces, Provisions, and Necessaries, for Ireland: And that it be referred to the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, at Derby House, to provide Monies, to be in Readiness punctually to comply with such Contracts as shall be made by the said Committee, as aforesaid.

Ordered, That the Treasurers at Goldsmiths Hall be earnestly desired to furnish, advance, and lend the Sum of Four thousand Seven hundred Pounds, to be employed for the Transporting of Colonel Birche's Regiment into Ireland: And that this Money be repaid, with Interest, to the said Treasurers at Goldsmiths Hall, by the Gentlemen of the County of Hereford.

Sir Anthony Irby, Mr. Jennour, Colonel Birch, and Sir Robert Harley, are to go to the Treasurers at Goldsmiths Hall, and press them to furnish this Money; and give an Account to the House To-morrow Morning.

Resolved, &c. That the Sum of Eight hundred Pounds, with Interest for the same, after the Rate of Eight Pounds per Cent. per Annum, be charged upon the Receipts of the Grand Excise, in Course, and paid to the Treasurers of the Army: And that it be referred to the Committee of the Army to make Provisions of Cloaths and Necessaries for Colonel Birche's Regiment, that is contracted with, and designed to be transported into Ireland.

Army.

A Letter from the General Officers of the Army, employed from this House to the Army, from Walden, of 17 Maii 1646, was this Day read.

Resolved, &c. That Sir Thomas Fairefax General be desired, from this House, that, if it may stand with the State of his Health, that he would forthwith repair to the Army.

Mr. Nicoll and Colonel Harvey are appointed to acquaint the General with this Desire of the House.

The Question was propounded, That a Letter be written to the Commissioners, lately employed from this House to the Army, to desire them, that they forthwith send up one or more of themselves to the House, to give an Account of their Proceedings in the Business they are employed in there; with this Intimation, That Field Marshal Skippon do continue there, to promote the Service of Ireland:

And the Question being put, Whether this Question shall be now put;

It passed with the Affirmative: And

It is thereupon Resolved, That a Letter be written to the Commissioners, lately employed from this House to the Army, to desire them, That they forthwith send up one or more of themselves to the House, to give an Account of the Business they are employed in there; with this Intimation, That Field Marshal Skippon do continue there, to promote the Service of Ireland.

Mr. Speaker is appointed to send this Vote, inclosed in a Letter, to the Commissioners.

Disbanding Forces.

The Question was propounded, That it be referred to a Committee to consider of the Time and Manner of disbanding all such Forces as shall not go for Ireland, or be employed in England:

And the Question being now put, Whether this Question shall be now put;

It passed with the Affirmative.

The Question being put, That it be referred to a Committee, to consider of the Time and Manner of disbanding all such Forces as shall not go for Ireland, or be employed in England;

The House was divided.

The Yeas went forth.

Sir Henry Mildmay, Tellers for the Noe: 100.
Sir Peter Wentworth, With the Noe,
Sir Wm. Lewes, Tellers for the Yea: 139.
Mr. Grimston, With the Yea,

So the Question passed with the Affirmative.

Resolved, &c. That this Business be referred to the Members of this House that are of the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, at Derby House.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Dr. Aylett and Mr. Sadler;

The Lords commanded us to deliver this Message on Friday last; That the Lords are informed, that the Hand of the Clerk of their House hath been counterseited, and set to a Copy of an Act of Parliament; there being no such Act; and that That Copy is in . . . . . a Member of this House, Mr. Twisden: The Lords desire, That you will give Order to Mr. Twisden to deliver that Copy to the Clerk of their House; the Matter being in Examination before their Lordships:-To deliver the King's Letter, inclosed in a Letter from the Commissioners at Holdenby; and desire, That it may be communicated to the Commissioners of Scotland; and then to be returned to their House. They have commanded us to put you in mind of Colonel Aldrich; and the Ordinance concerning Jersey, That Place being in much Danger.

Counterfeiting Clerk's hand.

Ordered, That To-morrow, when Mr. Twisden shall be here, this Part of the Message concerning him, be taken into Consideration.

Petition deferred.

It is further Ordered, That the Petition delivered in by Mr. Pelham be then likewise considered.

Letter from the King.

The Letter from the Commissioners at Holdenby, of 13 Maii 1647; and a Letter inclosed from his Majesty, from Holdenby, of 12 Maii, signed Charles R.; was this Day read.

Resolved, &c. That this Letter be again read, and taken into Consideration, on Thursday Morning next, at Ten of Clock.

It is further Ordered, That a perfect and examined Copy of this Letter be taken by the Clerk: And that then this Letter be sent to the Members of both Houses, that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms, to communicate the same unto the Commissioners of Scotland.

Isle of Jersey.

Ordered, That, on Thursday next, after the Business of the King's Letter, the other Part of this Message, concerning Jersey, be taken into Consideration.

Answer to Lords.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and will send Answer by Messengers of their own.