House of Commons Journal Volume 5
16 June 1647

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 5: 16 June 1647', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 5: 1646-1648 (1802), pp. 212-214. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=25109 Date accessed: 31 August 2014.


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Die Mercurii, 16 Junii, 1647.

Prayers.

Issues for Army.

ORDERED, by the Lords and Commons, assembled in Parliament, That the Sum of Two-and-twenty thousand Pounds, to make the Five thousand Pounds formerly charged upon Weavers Hall, Seven-and-twenty thousand Pounds, be paid by Alderman Bunce, and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, unto Mr. Pocock, Mr. Greenhill, and the rest of the Treasurers at Christ Church; to be issued, Five-and-twenty thousand Pounds thereof, according to the Intent and Purport of Three particular Ordinances of the same Date with this Ordinance; the remaining Two thousand Pounds, for one Month's Pay to those of the Northern Officers now in Town, that are comprehended within the List of the Northern Officers, to whom the Seventeen thousand Pounds is granted, and charged upon the Receipts of the Grand Excise, in Course, with Interest; to the Dutch Officers comprehended in the last List; to the Scotts Officers mentioned in the second List; to be accounted as Part of the Monies assigned to those several Officers of the Northern Association, of the Dutch List, and of the second Scotts List: And likewise for One Month's Pay to James Pittson, late Scoutmaster General to the Army under the Command of Sir William Waller.

And it is further Ordered, That the Acquittance or Acquittances of the said Mr. Pecocke and Mr. Greenhill, and the rest of the Treasurers at Christ Church, shall be a sufficient Warrant and Discharge to the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, for the Payment of the said Twenty seven thousand Pounds, accordingly.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Ordered, by the Lords and Commons, assembled in Parliament, That the full Sum of Twenty-seven thousand Pounds be charged upon the Receipts of the Grand Excise, in Course, together with Interest for the same, at the End of every. Six Months; to be paid to Alderman Bunce, and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, as the same shall grow due; in lieu of, and for the reimbursing unto the said Treasurers, the like Sum appointed to be now issued by them, out of the Monies remaining in their Hands, unto Mr. Pocock and Mr. Greenhill, and the rest of the Treasurers at Christ Church, for the Use of several Officers.

And it is further Ordered, That the Acquittance or Acquittances of the said Alderman Bunce, and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, shall be, from time to time, a good Warrant and Discharge to the Commissioners of Excise, for the Payment of the said Seven-andtwenty thousand Pounds, and Interest, and every Part thereof, accordingly.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Ditto.

Ordered, by the Lords and Commons, assembled in Parliament, That Colonel Sands, Colonel Devoreux, Colonel Sanderson, Colonel Wiltshire, Colonel Medopp, Lieutenant Colonel Throckmorton, Major Wood, and Major Tovey, Officers; Mr. Wilcox, Mr. Broad, and Mr. Dudenny, Auditors; be desired, from both Houses, to be present with the Treasurers at Christ Church, to see the Issuing of the Five-and-twenty thousand Pounds now appointed to be paid to the Officers; and to view and examine the several Certificates of the Officers that are to receive any Monies from the said Treasurers; to the Intent no Monies may be issued without due Certificate: And, in case any Officer shall demand any Monies without sufficient Certificate, the Names of all such Officers are desired to be certified to both Houses.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Issue for Army.

ORDERED, by the Lords and Commons, assembled in Parliament, That the Sum of Five thousand Pounds be added to the Five thousand Pounds formerly ordered to be paid by Alderman Bunce, and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall; for the Use of the private Soldiers: And that the said Five thousand Pounds be forthwith issued and paid by the said Treasurers at Weavers Hall, unto Mr. Pocock, and Mr. Greenehill, and the rest of the Treasurers at Christ Church: That said Five thousand Pounds now ordered, and the said Five thousand Pounds formerly ordered (in all Ten thousand Pounds), to be issued and paid by the said Mr. Pocock and Mr. Greenehill, and the rest of the Treasurers at Christ Church, for the Use of the private Soldiers, to such Persons, and in such manner, as both Houses of Parliament shall appoint. And it is further Ordered, That the Acquittance or Acquittances of the said Mr. Pocock and Mr. Greenehill, and of the Treasurers at Christ Church, shall be a sufficient Warrant and Discharge to the said Alderman Bunce, and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, for the Payment of the said Five thousand Pounds, accordingly.

ORDERED, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Sum of Five thousand Pounds, with Interest for the same, at the End of every Six Months, be charged upon the Receipts of the Grand Excise, in Course, and paid, as it shall grow due, unto Alderman Bunce, and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall; for the Repayment and re-imbursing to the said Treasurers, the like Sum, by Order of this Day, appointed to be paid by them to Mr. Pocock and Mr. Greenehill, and the rest of the Treasurers at Christ Church, out of the Treasure remaining in their Hands, for the Use of the private Soldiers. And it is further Ordered, That the Acquittance or Acquittances of the said Alderman Bunce, and of the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, shall be a sufficient Discharge to the Commissioners of Excise, for the Payment of the said Five thousand Pounds, and Interest, accordingly.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Ordered, &c. That the Auditors at Chirst Church do, with all possible Speed (if it may be, To-morrow Morning), return the Lists of the private Soldiers referred unto them to make: And this House doth declare, That then they will take care, and give Order, for the Proportions of Monies that the said private Soldiers shall receive, according to those Lists.

Invalid Soldiers.

The humble Petition of the sick and wounded Soldiers, in the Savoy Hospital, was this Day read: And

It is thereupon Ordered, &c. That the Committee concerning Woods be enjoined to sit, and to issue their Order forthwith to the Committee at Salters Hall, for the present Payment of the Remainder of the One thousand Two hundred Pounds, formerly ordered to be paid for the Relief of the sick and wounded Soldiers not yet paid: And the said Committee at Salters Hall are hereby enjoined to pay the same unto Mr. Pocock, Mr. Greenehill, and the rest of the Treasurers for maimed Soldiers at Christ Church; to be paid to divers Apothecaries and Surgeons, for Medicaments, and for the Cure of the sick and maimed Soldiers.

Westminster Auxiliaries.

Ordered, &c. That the humble Petition of the Company of Auxiliaries of Westminster, by Command of Parliament, be read on Saturday Morning next.

Transactions with the City.

The House being informed, That divers Aldermen, and other Gentlemen of the Common Council were at the Door;

Transaction with the City.

They were called in: And Mr. Alderman Fowke acquainted the House, That they were commanded by the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Commons, in Common Council assembled, humbly to represent a Copy of Letters lately received from his Excellency Sir Thomas Fairfax: An Account of the Proceedings of the Committee sent from the City to the Army; and what passed between the Army and that Committee: And likewise the Desires of the General expressed to that Committee, That no Forces besides the Train Bands and Auxiliaries, may be raised, as to this Business: It came to the Knowledge of the Common Council, that the Clerk of the Committee of the Militia did issue out a Warrant upon Votes made by the Committee of Lords and Commons, and the Committee of the Militia, on Friday Night last, That the Common Council was not satisfied with that Business: That the Committee of the Militia, forasmuch as in them lies, have disannulled that Order for raising and lifting of Forces.

Mr. Alderman Fowke delivered in a Copy of the Act of Common Council, held 15 Junii, 1647, concerning the General's Letters to the City, concerning the preventing the Listing of Soldiers under Officers in and about the Cities of London, Westminster, and Parts adjacent, besides the Trained Bands, and usual Auxiliaries, for the Making of a new War; and for discharging any that are already raised.

Mr. Alderman Fowke delivered in Two Copies of Letters: One of the 14th of this instant June 1647, signed, in the Name, and by the Appointment, of his Excellency Sir Thomas Fairefax, and his Council of War, John Rashworth, Secretary; and directed to Alderman Warner, Alderman Fowk, and the rest of the Commissioners of the City of London: The other, of 15 Junii, from St. Albans, signed, in the Name, and by the Command, of his Excellency Sir Thomas Fairefax, and the Council of War, Jo. Bushworth; and directed to the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Common Council of the City of London.

A Copy of an Order made by the Committee of Lords and Commons, and the Committee for the Militia of the City of London, the Twelfth Day of this instant June, 1647, desiring Colonel Dalbeere, and some other Colonels, to bring in particular Lists of the Names and Qualities of such Gentlemen and Reformado Officers as they should find willing to engage in the Service of the Parliament; signed, Thomas Partington, Clerk to the Committee of the Militia. Also,

A Copy of an Order of 16 Junii, 1647: whereby the Committee of the Militia, as much as in them lieth, annulled the said former Order of 12 Junii.

All the Papers and Orders before mentioned were read. And

It is thereupon Resolved, &c. That the Order of the Committee of Lords and Commons, and of the Committee of the Militia of the City of London, of the Twelfth of this instant June, 1647, desiring Colonel Dalbier, and some other Colonels, to bring in Lists of the Names and Qualities of such Gentlemen and Reformado Officers as they should find willing to engage in the Service of the Parliament, be, and is hereby annulled and made void.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Resolved, &c. That the several Orders made by the Committee of Lords and Commons, for the Safety of the Kingdom, for the Listing and Drawing together of any of the Forces of the several Counties, be, and are hereby annulled and made void.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Mr. Bois is appointed to carry these Votes to the Lords.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth give Leave to the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Common Council, to write to the Army, as they shall find Occasion; their Letters being first presented to this House for their Approbation.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth approve of these Proceedings of the Common Council, and of the Commissioners from the City, that were with the Army.

Resolved, &c. That Thanks be given from this House to the Aldermen and Citizens now sent from the Common Council.

Message to Lords.

Sir Thomas Dacres carried to the Lords an Order for a Month's Pay to the Officers mentioned in the Four Lists brought in about November last: A Month's Pay to the Officers in Commission, that are now attending in this Town, whose Accompts are not yet stated: Six Weeks Pay to the Officers in Commission, whose Accompts have been stated by Authority of Parliament, though not according to the Instructions lately published: Order for adding Five thousand Pounds more to the Five thousand Pounds formerly ordered out of Weavers Hall, for the private Soldier: An Ordinance for reimbursing the said Five thousand Pounds to the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, out of the Receipts of the Grand Excise, in Course, with Interest: An Ordinance for issuing the Sum of Twentyseven thousand Pounds out of Weavers Hall, for the Officers: An Ordinance for reimbursing the Treasurers at Weavers Hall the Twenty-seven thousand Pounds out of the Receipts of the Grand Excise, in Course, with Interest: An Ordinance for Payment, by the Committee concerning Woods, One thousand Two hundred Pounds, for sick and maimed Soldiers: An Order for desiring divers Colonels, and the Auditors, to see the Issuing of the Twentyfive thousand Pounds to the Officers. An Order for Colonel John Brich to have the Publick Faith for Four thousand Nine hundred and Seven Pounds Seven Shillings Four-pence: An Order for Mr. Francis Knight to have the Publick Faith for One thousand and Fifty Pounds: And an Order for the Committee, at Derby House to give Commissions to Colonel Ponsonbie's Officers.

Army Pay.

The Question being propounded, That One Month's Pay be paid to the Army; One Fortnight's Pay thereof upon the Place where the Head Quarter now is; and the other Forthnight's Pay when they shall be marched Twenty Miles further from the City of London;

The Question was put, Whether this Question shall be now put;

The House was divided.

The Noes went forth.

Mr. Bulkley, Tellers for the Yea: 117.
Sir Rich. Onslowe, With the Yea,
Sir Wm. Lewes, Tellers for the Noe: 133.
Lord Cranborne, With the Noe,

So as the Question passed with the Negative.

The Question being propounded, That One Month's Pay be forthwith paid to the Army under the Command of Sir Thomas Fairefaxe, according to their last Muster;

The Question was put, Whether this Question should be now put;

The House was divided.

The Noes went forth.

Mr. Holles, Tellers for the Noe: 104.
Sir Phil. Stapleton, With the Noe,
Sir Arthur Hasilrige, Tellers for the Yea: 165.
Sir Jo. Evelyn, of Wiltes, With the Yea,

So as the Question passed with the Affirmative.

The Question itself being then put;

It is Resolved, &c. That One Month's Pay be forthwith paid to the Army under the Command of Sir Thomas Fairefaxe, according to their last Muster.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Message to Lords.

Mr. Boyse carried to the Lords, for their Concurrence, the Vote for recalling the Order of the Committee of Lords and Commons, and of the Militia of the City of London, of the 12th of this instant June, to Colonel Dalbeere, and others, to bring in Lists of the Names of such Officers and Soldiers as are willing to engage in the Service of Parliament: And the Vote for recalling all Orders made by the Committee of Lords and Commons, for the Safety, for listing and drawing together any Forces of the several Counties.

Army Pay.

Resolved, &c. That this One Month's Pay shall be paid to the common Soldiers, upon Account, as Part of their Arrears; and to the Officers, as Part of the Three Months Pay formerly ordered to be paid to them, upon their disbanding, or engaging for Ireland.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Answer from Lords.

Sir Thomas Dacres brings Answer, That the Lords do agree to the several Ordinances carried by him to them.

Mr. Boys brings Answer, That the Lords do agree to the several Ordinances carried by him to them.

Army Pay.

Ordered, &c. That Sir John Wollaston, and the rest of the Treasurers at Wars, be hereby authorized and required forthwith to pay, out of such Monies as are now in their Hands, of the Assessments for the Army; and out of the Forty thousand Pounds formerly ordered to be paid unto them, towards the Disbanding of the Army, out of Weavers Hall; a Month's Pay to the Army, according to the last Muster; Deductions being made for such Ofsicers and Soldiers as are come off from the Army since the last Muster: The which Month's Pay is to be paid by the Treasurers at Wars, upon Warrant from the General: Which Warrant, together with the Acquittance of the Person or Persons to receive the same, shall be a sufficient Warrant and Discharge to the Treasurers at Wars, for the Payment of the same.

It is further Ordered, That the Committee of the Army do issue their Warrants to the Treasurers at Wars, to send the said One Month's Pay to the Army, according to the nearest Estimate they can make, as they have done in like Cases.

Detension of Sixby.

The House being informed, That Captain Hall and his Lieutenant had met with one Sixby going into Kent, and had made Stay of him, and brought him to the Parliament; and that they were without, attending at the Door; It is Resolved, &c. That * Sixby be forthwith discharged, and set at Liberty.

Army Committee.

Ordered, &c. That the Committee of the Army be hereby enjoined to join with the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, at Derby House, in subscribing the Orders already issued, or to be issued, by them, to the Treasurers at Wars, or to the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, for the Payment of the Ten thousand Pounds formerly ordered to the Officers and Soldiers that are come off from the Army.

Answer to the City.

The Aldermen and Citizens were again called in: And Mr. Speaker, by the Command of the House, acquainted them with the Votes of this House, for re-calling the Order of the Committee of Lords and Commons, and of the Militia for Listing of Officers and Soldiers; and for listing and drawing together any Forces in the several Counties: That the House did approve of their Proceedings; and that the City might, upon Occasion, send Letters to the Army, so as they did first present them to the Houses for their Approbation: And further gave them the Thanks of the House.

Transactions with the Army.

A Letter from the Commissioners now with the Army, dated the 16th of this instant June, 1647, from St. Albans, about Eleven a Clock, was this Day read.

A Copy of the Answer sent to the said Commissioners by the Army, of the 15th of June, touching their Demands, Whether the Representation did contain all that the Army would insist upon; a Paper, purporting a Charge from the Army, against Eleven Members of this House; and a Paper of Desires in Order to the Charge; all of them signed, by the Command or Appointment of his Excellency Sir Thomas Fairefaxe, and the Officers and Soldiers under his Command, Jo. Rushworth, Secretary; in the said Letter inclosed; were likewise read: And

It is thereupon Ordered, That the Debate and Consideration of this Letter and Papers be taken up To-morrow Morning, the first Business.