House of Commons Journal Volume 5
2 July 1647

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 5: 2 July 1647', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 5: 1646-1648 (1802), pp. 229-231. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=25123 Date accessed: 22 July 2014.


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Die Veneris, 2 Julii, 1647.

Prayers.

Chester Petition.

THE humble Petition of the Inhabitants of the County Palatine of Chester was this Day read.

Chester Garison.

Resolved, &c. That it be referred to the Committee of Cheshire, to raise so much Moneys upon the Credit of the Ordinance for Sixty thousand Pounds per mensem, as will be sufficient to pay the Arrears due to the Garison of Chester, since the 25th of March last, according to the Establishment last passed for that Garison: And that they do cause the Monies raised upon the said Credit to be paid to the Soldiers of that Garison, accordingly: And that they do further consider of lessening the Number of that Garison. And the Petitions now tendered from the County of Chester, and City of Chester, are referred to the Consideration of this Committee: And the said Committee is appointed to meet this Afternoon at Two of Clock, in the Court of Wards.

Plymouth Petition, &c.

Ordered, That the Petition and Letters from Plymouth be read, and taken into Consideration, To-morrow Morning.

Issue for Irish Service.

Resolved, &c. That the Sum of Two thousand Six hundred and Thirty-eight Pounds, being Part of the Monies charged, by former Order, upon the Receipts at Goldsmiths Hall, for the Lord of Ormond, be, for the present, paid out of the Thirty thousand Pounds, the Remainder of the Forty thousand Pounds assigned for Ireland at Weavers Hall, and repaid forthwith out of the Receipts at Goldsmiths Hall, according to the former Assignments: And that the said Two thousand Six hundred Thirtyeight . . . . be paid unto such Person or Persons as the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland at Derby House shall appoint to receive the same: And that the Acquittance of the said Person or Persons, appointed by the said Committee to receive the same, shall be a sufficient Warrant and Discharge to Alderman Bunce, and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, for the Payment of the said Sum of Two thousand Six hundred and Thirty-eight Pounds, accordingly.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

King's Residence.

Sir Robert Pye is ordered to carry unto the Lords, for their Concurrence, the Vote Yesterday passed, concerning the King not residing nearer London, than the Quarters of the Army shall be allowed to be.

Issue for Irish Service.

Ordered, That Alderman Bunce, and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, out of the Treasure remaining there, do forthwith pay unto such Person or Persons, as the Committee at Derby House, for the Affairs of Ireland, shall appoint to receive the same, the Sum of Seven thousand Two hundred Thirty Pounds Fourteen Shillings and Four-pence, to be issued by Order of the said Committee, for the Transporting of Colonel Ponsonbie's Regiment of Horse into Ireland, from such Ports as they shall think fit to appoint and direct; and for recruiting and furnishing the said Regiment with One hundred Case of Pistols with Holsters, a Hundred Saddles, and Two hundred and Fifty defensive Arms: And the said Committee is required to take care, and give Order, That the said Regiment may be speedily transported; and that the Quarters be duly paid, till their Embarquing: And that the Acquittance of the Person or Persons appointed by the said Committee to receive the said Sum of Seven thousand Two hundred Thirty Pounds Fourteen Shillings and Four-pence, shall be a sufficient Warrant and Discharge to the said Treasurers at Weavers Hall, for the Payment of the said Seven thousand Two hundred Thirty Pounds Fourteen Shillings and Four-pence, accordingly.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Answer from Lords.

Sir Robert Pye brings Answer, That the Lords do agree to the Vote carried by him.

Army Commissioners.

Resolved, &c. That Mr. Robert Scawen, a Member of this House, one of the Commissioners of the Parliament, now residing with the Army, do forthwith repair to the House; some special Service of the House requiring his Presence here.

Treaty with the Army.

Ordered, That Mr. Allen do prepare a Letter to this Purpose, to be sent to the Commissioners; and to signify unto them the Pleasure of the House, that they use all Diligence and Expedition in their Proceedings in their Treaty with the Army, upon settling the publick and general Peace of the Kingdom.

Forces for Ireland.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, at Derby House, to give Order for mustering the Forces that are come off from the Army to go into Ireland; and to reduce them into one or more Regiments, as their Numbers shall rise to, according to the Numbers that the Regiments for Ireland are to consist of: And in this Reducement they are to have respect to the Colonels that have the most Forces in their Regiments.

Ordered, That the Committee at Darby House, for the Affairs of Ireland, together with the Committee for the Army, or any Six of them, do give Warrant to the Treasurers at Wars, to pay a Month's Pay, as Part of the Arrears due to the Forces of the Army that are drawn off for the Service of Ireland, upon their Musters, out of the Ten thousand Pounds formerly appointed by both Houses for the Payment of the Arrears of such Officers and Soldiers as did engage for Ireland, or disband.

Ordered, That these Forces, upon the Payment of the said Month's Pay of their Arrears, do forthwith march to the Sea-side: And that, upon coming to the Water's side, the House doth Declare, That they shall receive the Conditions promised by former Votes. And it is referred to the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, at Derby House, to see this performed accordingly.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Dr. Heath and Mr. Sadler;

The Lords have received Letters lately from the Commissioners with the King, and from Sir Thomas Fairefax the General: They have thereupon passed Two Votes; in which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

They have framed a Letter to be forthwith sent to Sir Thomas Fairefax; and the First Vote to be inclosed in it: Another Letter to the Commissioners; and the Second Vote to be inclosed in it: And likewise a Copy of the Letter sent to Sir Thomas Fairefax: And a Copy of the former Vote:

Petition of Colonel James Midhope: And an Order upon it:

Vote for the Irish Affairs.

Votes concerning the King.

The Votes now sent from the Lords were read; and were in hæc verba; viz.

1. "Resolved, &c. That a Letter shall be sent to Sir Thomas Fairefaxe, to see the Two Votes of the 28th and 29th of June last put in Execution; and to give Order to the Guards now with the King, to observe all Directions they shall receive from the Committee of Parliament."

2. "Resolved, &c. To write to the Commissioners, to put in Execution the Votes of the 28th and 29th of June last."

The Letters to the General, and to the Commissioners with the King, were read; and, upon the Question, assented unto.

Forces for Ireland.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, at Derby House, to give Order, That the Forces under Colonel Mydhope, and all other Forces assigned for Ireland, that have received Monies or Horse from the Country, and are in Readiness, may be forthwith sent into Ireland, or else disbanded; and the Horses and Arms disposed of for the Service of Ireland: And that the Committee give Order to Colonel Birch, That such of the foresaid Troops as he shall find serviceable, and fit to be transported, that he join the same to his other Troops, and transport them with himself: And, if otherwise he has hereby Power to disband them; and to preserve the Horse and Arms, to be disposed for the Service of Ireland.

Answer to Lords.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message: And do agree to the Two Votes; and to the Two Letters to the General, and to the Commissioners with the King: To the rest, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Grant to Lisle.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, at Derby House, do forthwith pay unto Captain Lisle the Sum of Two hundred Pounds, or thereabouts, out of any Monies under the Power of the said Committee assigned for the Service of Ireland: And that the said Committee do take care, that the said Captain Lisle do perform his Contract, and march his Troop with all Speed to the Water's side.

Army.

Whereas a Troop of Horse under Captain Leake, that have received their Money from the Country, and have had Order long since to march to the Water-side; but have not obeyed that Order, but have lien upon the Charge of the Country: It is peremptorily Ordered, That the said Captain Leake do march forthwith to Leverpoole; and receive Orders from Colonel Birch for his Transportation, with the rest of the Horse under the Command of the said Colonel: And that Order be given to Colonel Birch, That, in case he find the said Troop serviceable, and fit to be transported, that he join the same to his other Troops, and transport it with himself: If otherwise, that he have hereby Power to disband them; and preserve the Horses and Arms for the Service of the State.

Whereas there are Two Troops of Dragoons that are come off from the Army, under Captain Farmer and Captain Wogan: It is Ordered, They do forthwith march to Leverpoole; and be under the Command of Colonel Birch.

Irish Affairs.

Resolved, &c. That Three Commissioners be forthwith sent into the Province of Munster: And that it be referred to the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, at Derby House, to consider of fit Persons for this Employment; and to nominate them to the House; and to view the Instructions given to the former Commissioners; and to make such Additions and Alterations as shall be necessary; and report them to the House.

Ordered, That the Desires of the Lord of Ormond, concerning the Transporting of Forces into Parts beyond the Seas; and likewise the other Desires and Matters in the Letter from the Commissioners from Dublyn; be referred back to the Consideration of the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, at Derby House: Who are to report them to the House on Monday Morning next, the first Business. They are likewise to consider of proportioning the Monies designed and granted for the Service of Ireland, according to their former Order; and to report it to the House, with the other.

Portesmouth Garison.

Ordered, That the Petition from the Garison of Portesmouth be read To-morrow Morning.

Freke's Arrears.

Ordered, That Captain Freke have One hundred Pounds paid him, out of the Ten thousand Pounds assigned for Munster; to be accounted Part of the Arrears due unto him, upon his Entertainment in the Service of Ireland.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Ld. Inchiquin.

Ordered, That Colonel Jephson do carry to the Lords, for their Concurrence, the Letter to be sent to the Lord Inchiquin; and other Orders passed for Monies for the Service of Ireland.

Colonel Jephson reported a Letter, to be sent to the Lord of Inchiquin: The which was read; and, upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence.

Petition, &c. to be read.

Ordered, That, on Tuesday next, the Petition of Sir Arthur Blundell be read: And that the Ordinance in Mr. Dodderiche's Hands, concerning divers poor Irish People, be read.

Pay of Northern Forces.

Ordered, That the Ordinance concerning the Ten thousand Pounds for the Northern Forces be read To-morrow Morning the first Business.

Church Government.

Ordered, That on Wednesday next, the House do proceed in the Consideration of the Affairs concerning the Church.

Army.

A Letter from the Commissioners with the Army, from Wickham, of 1 Julii 1647, Eleven at Night, with a Copy of a Letter from the Commissioners to the General, and the General's Answer to the Commissioners, and a Paper in Vindication of the Army, were read.

Ordered, That the Paper sent inclosed in a Letter from the Commissioners with the Army, in Vindication of the Army, be forthwith printed.

A Letter from the Commissioners with the Army, from Wickham, of 1 Julii 1647, with a Paper inclosed, in Answer to the Votes concerning the Members charged by the Army, was read.

Reduced Officers.

Ordered, That the Petition of divers reduced Officers, tendered Yesterday by Mr. Rigby, be read To-morrow Morning the first Business.

Privilege.

Ordered, That, Thomas Grove, avowed by Mr. John Gourdon, a Member of this House, to be his menial Servant, and is, notwithstanding, contrary to the Privilege of Parliament, arrested and imprisoned, be forthwith, according to the Privilege of Parliament, discharged from Restraint and Imprisonment: And the Keeper of the Prison where the said Thomas Grove is imprisoned, and all others whom it may concern, are hereby required to discharge the said Thomas Grove, accordingly.

London Petition.

The House being informed, That the Sheriffs, and divers Citizens of the City of London, were at the Door;

They were called in: And Sheriff Edmonds informed the House, That he was commanded by the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Commons in Council assembled, to deliver a Petition to this House.

The which, the Petitioners being withdrawn, was read.

Resolved, &c. That on Friday next, this Petition be read and considered of.

The Petitioners were again called in: And Mr. Speaker, by the Command of the House, acquainted them, That the Petition consisted of many Heads of great and publick Concernment: That most of them were under consideration with the House: That their constant very good Affections did still appear: For which he was commanded to render their Thanks. He further acquainted them, That the House has appointed a Day for reading and considering of this Petition.

Lenden Petition.

One of the Knights of the Shire of the County of Essex did present a Petition to the House, intituled, the humble Petition of the Gentlemen and others of the Division of Lenden, and Parts adjacent, in the County of Essex.

The which was read: And

The Gentlemen of the County of Essex, that brought up the Petition, called in: And Mr. Speaker, by the Command of the House, acquainted them, That the House had read their Petition: That they did take notice of the Way of the Delivery of it, which was very parliamentary, by the Hand of one of their Knights of the Shire: That the Petition was very modest, and full of good Intentions and Expressions to the Publick: For which, as for all the former and constant good Affections and Services of the said County, he was commanded to give them hearty Thanks.

Norfolk, &c. Petition.

A Member of this House did tender a Petition to the Consideration of the House, intituled, the humble Petition of the peaceable and well-affected Inhabitants of the Counties of Norfolk and Suffolk, together with the City and County of Norwich.

The which was read.

Resolved, &c. That an Answer be returned to this Petition.

Resolved, &c. That this shall be the Answer; That, when the Generals shall be reduced to Particulars, and tendered to the House, they will take them into due Consideration; and do Justice upon them, whomsoever they concern.

Mr. Gourdon and Mr. Heveningham are appointed to deliver the Petitioners this Answer.