House of Commons Journal Volume 5
8 July 1647

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 5: 8 July 1647', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 5: 1646-1648 (1802), pp. 236-238. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=25127 Date accessed: 24 November 2014.


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Die Jovis, 8 Julii 1647.

Prayers.

Judges to go Circuits.

THE Question was propounded, That Justice Rolles shall go the Lincolnshire Circuit:

And the Question being put, Whether this Question shall be put;

It passed with the Affirmative.

The Question being put, That Justice Rolle shall go the Lincolnshire Circuit;

The House was divided.

The Yeas went forth.

Sir Walter Erle, Tellers for the Noe: 46.
Mr. Bond, With the Noe,
Sir Anthony Irby, Tellers for the Yea: 61.
Mr. John Ashe, With the Yea,

So that the Question passed with the Affirmative.

The Question was propounded, That Mr. Serjeant Wilde shall go the Lincolnshire Circuit;

And the Question being put, Whether this Question shall be put;

It passed with the Negative.

The Question being put, That Mr. Serjeanat Wilde shall go the Lincolnshire Circuit;

It passed with the Negative.

The Question was propounded, That Serjeant Clerke shall go the Lincolnshire Circuit:

And the Question being put, Whether this Question shall be put;

It passed with the Negative.

Resolved, &c. That Baron Trevour and Justice Phesant shall go the Norsolk Circuit.

Resolved, &c. That justice Roll shall go the Lincolnshire Circuit.

Resolved, &c. That Baron Atkin and Serjeant Clerke shall go the Oxfordshire Circuit.

Resolved, &c. That Justice Goldbolt and Serjeant Wilde shall go the Hantshire Circuit.

Resolved, &c. That Serjeant Jermyn and Serjeant Green shall go the Yorkshire Circuit.

Serj. Turner.

Ordered, That the Report of the Business concerning Mr. Serjeant Turner be made by the Committee of the Revenue To-morrow Morning.

Scotch Forces in Ireland.

Colonel Jephson went to the Lords with the Message, for desiring the Lords to expedite their Resolutions for dismissing the Scotts in Ireland.

Irish Affairs.

Resolved, &c. That any Five of the Committee of Lords and Commons, for the Affairs of Ireland, at Derby House, shall have Power to meet and act.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Mr. Tate carried this Vote; and likewise the Order, made on Tuesday last, for giving Power to the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland at Derby House to distribute the Five-and-twenty thousand Pounds, formerly assigned for Ireland.

Judges, &c.

Ordered, That the Committee, formerly appointed to prepare Instructions for the Judges, do meet this Afternoon in the usual Place: And that they do bring them in on Monday Morning next.

It is further Ordered, That Mr. Wasthall, Mr. Strode, Mr. Hoyle, Mr. Grimston, and Mr. Blakiston, be added to this Committee: And the Care of this Business is more particularly referred to Mr. Wasthall: It is further referred unto them, to consider of some Course to prevent, that Delinquent Lawyers, Attornies, and Solicitors, may not practise.

Leave of Absence.

Resolved, &c. That Mr. Sayer, Sir Beauchamp St. John, Mr. Foxwist, Mr. Whaddon, and Sir John Curson, Members of this House, shall have Leave to go into the Country.

London Militia, &c.

The House being informed, That the Sheriffs of London, and divers Citizens, were at the Door;

They were called in: And Mr. Sheriff Edmonds acquainted the House, that they were commanded by the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Commons, in the Common Council assembled, to present a Petition.

The which, the Petitioners being withdrawn, was read: And was to desire Twenty thousand Pounds out of Weavers Hall, for carrying on the Charge of the Militia; and that the Ordinance, passed 11 Junii last, for raising of Horse for Defence of the City, which was granted for a Month, and is near expired, might be continued for a longer time.

Resolved, &c. That the Power given to the Committee of the Militia of London for raising Horse, shall not exceed the Raising of One Regiment of Horse, consisting of Six hundred.

Mr. Allen, Colonel Harvey, Mr. Miles Corbett, Colonel John Venne, Mr. Alderman Pennington, Mr. Selden and Alderman Atkyn, are appointed to alter the Ordinance, formerly passed to the City, for raising Horse, according to the Vote now passed: And the Care hereof is more particularly referred to Mr. Myles Corbett: And they are to bring it in To-morrow.

Ordered, &c. That, upon Tuesday next, the House do take into Consideration the Desire in the Petition from the City concerning Money.

The Citizens were again called in: And Mr. Speaker, by the Command of the House, acquainted them, That this House had taken their Petition into Consideration; and had put it into a Way of Dispatch.

Army, &c.

A Letter from the Commissioners with the Army, from Reading, of 6 Julii 1647, Seven at Night, was this Day read.

A Letter from the Commissioners with the Army, from Reading, of 8 Julii 1647, at Two in the Morning, was read; with a Paper inclosed, containing the Substance of what was delivered to the Commissioners, by Alderman Gibbe, and the rest of the Commissioners employed from the City to the Army; and the Answer of the Commissioners to the same.

A Paper delivered by the Commissioners of Parliament to the Commissioners of the Army, of 7 Julii 1647; and the Answer of the Commissioners of the Army to the said Paper; were read.

Ordered, That this House do meet this Afternoon at Two of Clock; and take into Consideration the Letters and Papers sent from the Army.

Charge against the Eleven Members.

Ordered, That, To-morrow Morning, the first Business, the House do take into Consideration the Charge lately sent from the Army, concerning the Members formerly charged by them.

Officers, &c. Petition.

A Petition, styled, The humble Petition of divers Commission Officers, and other, and Soldiers, was read.

Post Meridiem.

Parliament Guard.

ORDERED, That the Committee of the Militia of London be desired to give Order, that the Guards appointed to attend the Houses may be here every Day by Seven of the Clock at farthest.

Mr. Alderman Pennington and Colonel Ven are required to acquaint the Committee of the Militia with this Order.

Ordered, That the Petition * * * *.

Privilege-A Members seized by Soldiers.

Resolved, &c. That the Soldiers that this Afternoon made the Assault upon the House of Mr. Pury, a Member of this House, and upon the said Mr. Pury, in the Way as he came to attend this House, be apprehended by the Serjeant at Arms attending on this House: And that the Guards attending this House be assisting to the Serjeant's Men herein.

Leave of Absence.

Resolved, &c. That Mr. Thynne, a Member of this House, have Leave to go into the Country.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Dr. Heath and Mr. Hakewill;

The Lords, having received lately Letters from the Commissioners with the King, have framed this Letter in Answer: To which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

They desire to put this House in mind of a Message they formerly sent, concerning the Affairs of Ireland.

Letter to Commissioners with the King.

The Letter was read; and, upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be signed by Mr. Speaker; and sent away accordingly.

Answer to Lords.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message: And to the Letter, they do agree: To the rest they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Disturbances at the Doors.

Mr. Miles Corbett, Mr. Prideaux, and Mr. Roger Hill, are appointed to withdraw, and to prepare an Order, to give Power to the Guards attending the House to apprehend all such as make any Disturbance at the Doors of the House, or that give any reproachful Language, or do any Affronts, to any Members of the House.

Irish Affairs.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, at Derby House, do forthwith withdraw, and meet.

Soldiers to depart the Lines.

Ordered, That Mr. Dove do report the Amendments to the Ordinance concerning Reformadoes and Soldiers leaving the Lines, notwithstanding the Committee has not fully agreed thereunto, nor given Order for the Report.

Mr. Dove did accordingly report the said Amendments: The which were twice read.

The Ordinance, with the Amendments, was then again read.

Mr. Nath. Fienis, Colonel White, Mr. Wheeler, Mr. John Stephens, Mr. Knightley, Sir John Evelyn, Mr. Earle, Mr. Marten, Mr. Selden, Mr. Walker, Mr. Gewen;

This Committee, or any Three of them, are appointed presently to withdraw, to prepare an Ordinance, upon the Debate of the House, concerning Reformado Officers and Soldiers departing the Lines of Communication.

Removing Delinquents.

An Ordinance for putting Papists and Delinquents out of the Lines of Communication, was this Day read the First and Second time.

Resolved, &c. That the Time from whence this Ordinance shall begin, shall be the 14th of this present July; and the Day to which it shall continue shall be the 14th of October next.

The Ordinance, with an Addition of a Proviso, concerning such as have made their Compositions, paid in their Monies or secured them, or taken the negative Oath and Covenant; that have their Habitations within the Lines of Communication, or Twenty Miles; was put to the Question, and passed; and is ordered to be sent to the Lords.

Listing Soldiers.

Cornet Arundell was called in: Who, being asked concerning the Listing of Soldiers Names, said,

"He has taken the Names of about Two thousand Soldiers since this Day Sevennight: He knew them not; neither whence they came; nor that they are Soldiers.- Knows not Ten of them."-

"He does it by no Authority. But they pretend to be Soldiers that desire their Arrears: And, as they came to me, to desire me to set down their Names, I took them."-

"We did agree to meet in St. James's Fields; in regard no House was large enough."-

"We agreed upon Colonel Hamilton, and others to present the Petition."-

"He never knew the Colonel before this Day."

"He was Cornett to Major Gibb."-

"That one List was writing out by one Barker, at Broken Cross; one List writing out by one Hansell, near Charing Cross; both appointed to write them out, by him:- That he served Major Gibb at the Reducing of Newark."

Ordered, That Mr. Speaker do signify unto Cornet Arundell the Dislike this House has of Listings of this Kind; and that he should require a Forbearance of all such Listings for the future: And that he should bring in those Lists: And the Serjeant's Man is required to fetch them in.

Cornet Arundell was again called in: And Mr. Speaker did signify thus much unto him accordingly.

Business concerning Vaughan, &c.

Ordered, That the Business and Papers concerning Mr. Vaughan and Mr. Devoreux, formerly referred to the Committee where Colonel Birch has the Chair, be referred and transmitted to the Committee where Mr. Bulkley has the Chair.

Pryce's Case.

Resolved, &c. That the Committee where Mr. Bulkeley has the Chair, do make Report, on Monday next, of the Case concerning Sir Richard Pryce.

Ordered, That Mr. Heveningham, Mr. Baker, Mr. Hay, Mr. Priestley, Mr. Rigby, Mr. Valentyne, Mr. Middleton, Mr. Nelthorpe, Colonel Wilson, Mr. Hodges, Sir Henry Mildemay, Mr. Dixwell, Mr. Lemman, Sir Wm. Massam, Major Scott, Captain Gardiner, Mr. Lister, Mr. Trefusis, Mr. Harby, Mr. Armyn, Colonel Lassells, Colonel Thornhagh, Sir Ralph Ashton, Mr. Skynner, Colonel Ludlow, and Mr. Marten, be added to the Committee where Mr. Bulkeley has the Chair.

The House resumed the Consideration of the Order of 10 Junii last past; together with the Additions made on Monday last the 5th of this Instant July.

Resolved, &c. That the Words "either directly or indirectly" be taken out of the said Order of 10 Junii 1647.

Resolved, &c. That the Business concerning the Penalty, be taken into Consideration To-morrow Morning, the first Business: And Mr. Speaker is to put the House in mind hereof.

Soldiers to depart the Lines.

An Ordinance requiring all Officers and Soldiers to depart the Lines of Communication before the 15th of this instant July, and not to return these Two Months, was read the First and Second time; and, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent to the Lords for their Concurrence.

Mr. Wheeler is appointed to carry it to the Lords.