House of Commons Journal Volume 5
7 September 1647

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 5: 7 September 1647', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 5: 1646-1648 (1802), pp. 294-295. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=25171 Date accessed: 18 September 2014.


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Die Martis, 7 Septembris, 1647.

PRAYERS.

Paper read.

SIR William Armyn reports a Paper from the Commissioners of Scotland, of 6Septembris, 1647: The which was read.

Propositions to the King.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth declare, That there is nothing contained in the new Proviso added to the Propositions, to be presented to the King, and mentioned in the Scotts Paper of the Sixth of this instant September, not agreeable to the former Propositions, save only in the Matter that concerns the regulating the Fines and Compositions of the Delinquents of this Kingdom.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Publishing Libels, &c.

Ordered, That Mr. Wheeler, Mr. Edward Ashe, and Mr. Boys, do withdraw upon the Ordinance for restraining the Publishing of Libels and Pamphlets.

Colonel Lilburne.

Ordered, That, To-morrow Morning, the first Business, the Report be made concerning Colonel Lilburne, a Prisoner in the Tower.

Charge against a Member.

The House being informed, That, according to former Order, Mr. Recorder was at the Door;

He was called in: And Mr. Speaker acquainted him (sitting in his Place), That there was a Report made, in which some Things concerned him: That he should hear the Informations and Depositions read.

The which were accordingly read by the Reporter.

Propositions to the King.

A Letter to be sent to the Commissioners with the King, together with the Propositions to be presented to the King, and the Instructions concerning the presenting of them, was read; and, upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence.

Message to Lords.

Sir William Armyn carried the Letter to the Lords, together with the Declaration, touching the Proviso in the Propositions; and was to desire, That the said Declaration might be presently sent to the Scotts Commissioners; and to desire, that the Members of their House, that are Commissioners to attend the King, may all attend the King, upon the presenting the Propositions.

He likewise carried an Order, concerning the City of Worcester, and the Election of their Mayor.

Charge against a Member.

Mr. Recorder did presently give a general Answer to many of the Matters objected against him, and particular to some.

Answer from Lords.

Sir Wm. Armyn brings Answer, that the Lords do agree to the Declaration, concerning the Proviso in the Propositions: To the rest, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Mr. Page, and Mr. Bolles Clerk of the Crown;

The Lords have commanded us to deliver unto you an Order, That the Quorum of the Members of both Houses, that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms, may be reduced to be Three: An Order for approving the Papers of the Committee of both Kingdoms delivered to the Scotts Commissioners: An Ordinance concerning Persons that have been in Arms; which first moved from this House; to which the Lords agree, with a Proviso: In all these the Lords do desire the Concurrence of this House.

They are further to deliver the Scotts Papers; and to let the House of Commons know, that the Lords do adhere to their Resolutions of sending the Propositions to the King this Day; and desire that the Members of the Committee of both Houses may let the Scotts Commissioners know the same: That the Lords desire, that Mr. Row be sent to the Chancellor of Scotland, with a Letter for recalling the Scotts Forces out of Ulster.

They have sent an Order, to be sent to the Militia of London, for slighting the Lines of Communication; in which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

They desire to put the House in mind of an Order for the Discharge of James Robinson, of Bridges in Flanders, now a Prisoner under the Sheriffs of London.

They have sent an Order for the Marquis of Winton to have Leave to go to the Waters at Epsom; in which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

The Lords have returned the Letter, sent from this House to the Lords this Day, to be sent to the Commissioners with the King, touching their presenting the Propositions: To which Letter the Lords do agree, with some Alterations; in which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

Propositions to the King.

The Amendments to the Letter to be sent to the Commissioners with the King, for their presenting the Propositions to the King, were read; and, upon the Question, assented unto.

Committee to treat with Scotts Commissioners.

Ordered, by the Lords and Commons, That any Three whereof a Member of each House to be present, be a Quorum of the Committee of the Members of both Houses, of the Committee of both Kingdoms, to treat and confer with the Scotts Commissioners, according to the Powers heretofore given to the said Committee, and such Orders as they shall receive, from time to time, from both Houses.

The Lords and Commons do approve of the Papers of the Fourth of September, delivered by those of the Members of both Houses, of the Committee of both Kingdoms then present, unto the Commissioners of the Kingdom of Scotland; and of the Delivery of the same unto them.

Persons in Arms.

The Proviso, sent from the Lords, to be added to the Ordinance, That no Person in Arms shall be Mayor, &c. was read; and, upon the Question, assented unto; with the Addition of the Word "therefore," between the Words "shall be," and "discharged," in the Third Line of the said Proviso: and with altering the Word "Delinquency" into the Words "the said undue Sequestration."

Slighting City Lines.

Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the Committee for the Militia of the City of London do presently put into Execution the Ordinance of Parliament for slighting and demolishing the Lines of Communication about the Cities of London and Westminster, and the Borough of Southwark, and the Parts adjacent; and all the Forts upon and about the same: And that this Order be immediately sent to the said Militia.

Marquis of Winchester.

It is Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the Marquis of Winchester, a Prisoner in the Tower of London, shall have Liberty to go to Epsom Waters, for the Recovery of his Health, upon good Security given to the Lieutenant of the said Tower of London, to render himself a true Prisoner that Day Five Weeks, that he shall go out of the Tower upon his said Security.

Letter to Scotland.

The Letter, sent from the Lords, to be sent to the Estates of Scotland, was read; and committed to the Members of both Houses that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree, That Mr. William Rowe do carry and deliver the Letter, agreed upon by both Houses, to be sent to the Chancellor of Scotland, concerning discharging the Scotts Forces in Ireland.

Ordered, That the Committee of the Revenue do forthwith pay unto Mr. Wm. Rowe the Sum of One hundred Pounds, in relation to former Services performed by him to the House, and to defray the Expences of his Journey to the Kingdom of Scotland, being dispatched thither upon some Affairs of the Parliament of England.

A Prisoner discharged.

Ordered, That James Robinson, Merchant, be discharged from any Restraint or Commitment laid upon him by the Committee of Examinations, or by Order of this House: And that, if he lie under any other Restraint, that this Order shall not extend to discharge him from it.

Sir Nicholas Kemish.

Ordered, That Sir Nicholas Kemish, Prisoner by Authority of Parliament, shall have Leave to go to the Bathe for Two Months, for Recovery of his Health, upon good Security given to the Serjeant for his true Imprisonment; and Return at the Time limited.

Leave of Absence.

Ordered, upon the Question, That Sir William Strickland shall have Leave to go into the Country.

Answer to Lords.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and do agree to the Order for reducing the Quorum of the Members of both Houses, that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms, to Three.

State Prisoners.

Ordered, That, on Thursday next, Mr. Knightley do report the Ordinance in his Hands, concerning the Prisoners in the Tower, London: And that at the same time he do report the Business concerning Mr. Thomas Elliott, Prisoner.

It is further Ordered, That it be referred to the same Committee, to consider of some Way of Maintenance for Prisoners committed, by Authority of Parliament, to other Prisons, out of their own Estates, for such as have Estates; and some other Way of Relief for such others of the like Prisoners, as have no Estates of their own.

Propositions to the King.

Mr. Speaker read the Title of the Propositions for a safe and well-grounded Peace, to be presented to his Majesty; and likewise the Title of the Instructions to the Commissioners with the King, for Delivery of the said Propositions: And then delivered the said Propositions and Instructions to Major General Browne, one of the Commissioners appointed to reside with the King.

The Question being propounded, That John Glyn Esquire, Recorder of the City of London, be discharged from being a Member of this House;

The Question was put, That this Question be now put:

The House was divided.

The Noes went forth.

Lord Herbert, Tellers for the Noe: 53.
Mr. Annesley, With the Noe,
Sir Wm. Armyn, Tellers for the Yea: 58.
Sir John Evelyn of Wiltes, With the Yea,

So as the Question passed with the Affirmative.

And the Question itself being put;

The House was again divided.

The Yeas went forth.

Lord Herbert, Tellers for the Noe: 52.
Mr. Annesley, With the Noe,
Sir Arthur Hasilrige, Tellers for the Yea: 58.
Sir John Evelyn of Wiltes, With the Yea,

So as the Question passed with the Affirmative. And

It is Resolved, &c. That John Glyn Esquire, Recorder of the City of London, be discharged from being a Member of this House.

Resolved, &c. That John Glyn Esquire, Recorder of the City of London, be committed Prisoner to the Tower of London, during the Pleasure of this House.

Ordered, That John Glyn Esquire, Recorder of the City of London, be brought, by the Serjeant, to the Bar of this House, To-morrow Morning, to receive the Judgment of this House this Day passed upon him.

Proceedings against Sir J. Maynard.

The House being informed, That Sir John Maynard, according to the Summons sent unto him, did appear; and was without, attending at the Door;

He was called in: And the Reporter read several Informations and Depositions against him.

A Letter; several Warrants for Delivery of Arms; the Form of a Commission; Part of the Deposition of one Salisbury, employed as Clerk to the Committee of the Safety; and a Paper, without any Hand to it, supposed to be of Sir John Maynard's Writing; were read by the Clerk.

Sir John Maynard, in his Place, refused to answer to any of the Informations; and denied the Paper without a Hand to be his; and did not confess the Name John Maynard, set to the Letter and Warrants, to be his Hand; and afterwards prayed he might have Counsel: And withdrew.

Resolved, &c. That Sir John Maynard, Knight of the Bath, be disabled from being a Member of this House; and committed Prisoner to the Tower of London, during the Pleasure of this House.

Sir John Maynard was brought to the Bar by the Serjeant at Arms; and, kneeling there, Mr. Speaker pronounced the Judgment of the House upon him, That he was disabled from being a Member; and committed Prisoner to the Tower, during the Pleasure of the House.

Resolved, &c. That an Impeachment of High Treason be prepared and brought in against Sir John Maynard: And that the Members of this House, that are of the Committee for Examination of the late Tumult and Force upon the House, do prepare and bring in the said Impeachment.

Mr. Copley.

Ordered, That the Report of the Business, concerning Mr. Coyley, be made To-morrow Morning, the first Business: And that Mr. Copley do then attend the House.