House of Commons Journal Volume 5
5 November 1647

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 5: 5 November 1647', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 5: 1646-1648 (1802), pp. 350-351. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=25219 Date accessed: 31 July 2014.


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Die Veneris, 5 Novembris, 1647.

PRAYERS.

Prisoners from Ireland.

A LETTER from Captain Roger Tweedy, from the Navy Office, of 5 Novembris, 1647, concerning Major General Sterling, Major Marshall, Colonel Medhupp, and others, sent Prisoners from Ireland, was this Day read.

Ordered, That the Serjeant at Arms attending on this House do send up for Colonel Medhupp, Major Sterling, Major Marshall, and the other Prisoners sent from Ireland: And that he take that Care that there may be no tampering with them, nor no private Recourse unto them, or Discourse with them.

Parliament Guard.

Ordered, That the continual, great, and expensive, Attendance of the Horse and Foot Guards upon the Houses be referred to the Consideration of the Committee of the Army.

Propositions to the King.

Upon Mr. Swynfen's Report, it is agreed;

1. That, to the Proposition concerning the Militia, these Words be prefixed; viz. "That an Act or Acts of Parliament be passed."

2. To the Proposition for the Great Seal, prefix "That an Act or Acts of Parliament be passed."

3. To the Proposition for raising Monies, prefix "That an Act or Acts of Parliament be passed."

4. The Proposition for restoring well-affected . . . . to their Places, to stand as in the Proposition; and so all the rest; only to make it "Act or Acts," in every Proposition where it now stands only "Act."

5. Proposition for the Cessation of Ireland.

6. Proposition for nulling Oaths and Declarations.

7. Titles of Honour.

8. Court of Wards.

9. Treaties.

10. In the Proposition concerning the Arrears of the Army, in the Fourteenth Line, put out the Words "Sixteenth, and lately sent to the King;" and add these Words "concerning Delinquents."

11. For abolishing Bishops.

12. For Sale of Bishops Lands.

13. For Disposal of the Deans and Chapters Lands.

14. For Delinquents; prefix to this Proposition, "That the Persons expressed and contained in the Three first Qualifications following, be proceeded with, and their Estates disposed of, as both Houses of Parliament shall think fit, or appoint: And that their Persons shall not be capable of Pardon by his Majesty, without Consent of both Houses of Parliament: The Houses hereby Declaring, That they will not proceed as to the Taking away of Life of any in the First Qualification, to above the Number of Seven Persons."

1. Qualification. Rupert and Maurice, Count Palatine of the Rhine, James Earl of Darby, and the rest of the English in this Qualification named.

2. Qualification. All Papists and Popish Recusants, who have been, now are, or shall be, actually in Arms, or voluntarily assisting against the Parliament and Kingdom; and by name, the Marquis of Winton, and all the English named in this Qualification formerly.

3. Qualification. All Persons who have had any Hand in the plotting, designing, or assisting the Rebellion of Ireland; except such Persons who having assisted only the said Rebellions, have rendered themselves, or come in to the Parliament. The rest of this Proposition to remain as formerly; leaving out the Eighth Qualification. The Reason thereof was reported to the House: And

It is Resolved, That this House doth concur with the Committee herein.

Mr. Swynfen further Reports, a Note of the Ordinances concerning Religion; which are to be written out, and sent annexed to the Proposition concerning Religion; viz.

1. An Ordinance for the Ordination of Ministers, 8Novembris 1645.

2. A Directory for Publick Worship of God throughout the Three Kingdoms of England, Scotland, and Ireland.

3. And for taking away the Book of Common Prayer.

4. An Ordinance for the more effectual putting in Execution the Directory.

5. Ordinance against preaching by Persons not ordained.

6. Directions for electing Ruling Elders.

7. An Ordinance concerning Suspension from the Sacrament.

8. An Ordinance for giving Power to all the Classical Presbyteries.

9. An Ordinance for the present settling, without Delay, the Presbyterian Government in the Church of England.

10. Remedies for removing some Obstructions in Church Government.

11. For chusing Elders-20 Februarii 1645.

12. An Ordinance of the Lords and Commons, for keeping scandalous Persons from the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper- 14 Martii 1645.

Resolved, &c. That these Propositions following be now sent to the King; viz.

Propositions to the King.

"That, for the more effectual disabling Jesuits, Priests, Papists, and Popish Recusants, from disturbing the State, and deluding the Laws; and for the better Discovering, and speedy Conviction, of Popish Recusants; an Oath be established by Act of Parliament, to be administered to them: Wherein they shall abjure and renounce the Pope's Supremacy; the Doctrine of Transubstantiation; Purgatory; Worshipping of the consecrated Host, Crucifixes, and Images; and all other Popish Superstitions and Errors; and refusing the said Oath, being tendered in such manner as shall be appointed by the said Act, to be a sufficient Conviction of Popish Recusancy."

An Act or Acts of Parliament for the Education of the Children of Papists, by Protestants in the Protestant Religion.

An Act or Acts for the true Levy of the Penalties against them: Which Penalties to be levied and disposed in such manner as both Houses shall agree on.

That an Act or Acts be passed in Parliament, whereby the Practices of Papists against the State may be prevented, and the Laws against them duly executed; and a stricter Course taken to prevent the Saying or Hearing of Mass in the Court, or any other Part of this Kingdom, or the Kingdom of Ireland.

The like for the Kingdom of Ireland, concerning the Four last preceding Propositions.

That the King do give his Royal Assent to an Act for the due Observation of the Lord's Day.

The Question was propounded, That this House doth declare, That the King is bound in Justice, and it is his Duty, to give his Assent to such Laws as shall be tendered unto him by both Houses of Parliament:

And the Question being put, Whether this Question shall be now put;

It passed with the Affirmative.

It is Resolved, &c. That this House doth Declare, That the King is bound in Justice, and it is his Duty, to give his Assent to such Laws as shall be tendered unto him by both Houses of Parliament.

Resolved, &c. That it be referred to a Committee, to word and place this Vote, in such a manner, amongst the Propositions to be now sent to the King, that the King's Assent may be given to it; viz. Mr. Strickland, Mr. Prideaux, Sir Peter Wentworth, Mr. Swynfen, Mr. Challoner, Lord Grey, Sir Henry Mildmay, Mr. Salwey, Mr. Marten, Mr. Weaver, Sir Wm. Massam, Mr. Reynolds, Mr. Bois, Mr. Rigby, Colonel Birch, Colonel Morley, Mr. Selden, Mr. Scott, Sir Walter Erle; or any Three of them; and are to meet upon it, To-morrow at Eight of Clock, in the Inner Court of Wards: And the Care of this Business is more particularly referred to Mr. Challoner: And they are to report To-morrow Morning.

Letter read.

A Letter from the Commissioners of Scotland, from Worcester House, of 5 Novembris, 1647, was this Day read.