House of Commons Journal Volume 5
6 November 1647

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 5: 6 November 1647', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 5: 1646-1648 (1802), pp. 351-352. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=25220 Date accessed: 23 September 2014.


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Die Sabbati, 6 Novembris, 1647.

PRAYERS.

Tonage and Poundage.

THE Grand Committee sat, to take into further Consideration the Ordinance concerning Tonage and Poundage.

Mr. Myles Corbett in the Chair.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Mr. Myles Corbett reports, from the Grand Committee the Alterations and Amendments to the Ordinance concerning Tonage and Poundage: The which were twice read.

The Glause concerning the Forfeitures in this Bill was read; and debated; and, upon the Question, assented unto, as it now stands in the Ordinance.

The Clause wherein Samuell Avery, Christofer Pack, and others, are named and appointed to receive the Customs, was put to the Question. And

The Question passed with the Negative.

Resolved, &c. That the Clause in this Ordinance, concerning the Allowance of Fifteen Pounds per Cent. shall stand in the Ordinance.

A Proviso was tendered, ordaining, That neither Butlerage, Prisage, nor any other Imposition whatsoever, shall from henceforth be demanded or paid, other than what is expressed and particularly named in this Ordinance; and was read; and, upon the Question, rejected.

The Ordinance for Tonage and Poundage, with the Amendments, was put to the Question; and, upon the Question, passed; and is ordered to be sent to the Lords for their Concurrence.

Foreign Affairs.

Ordered, That Mr. Strickland and Mr. John Ashe be added to the Committee for Foreign Affairs.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Poor.

Ordered, That the Ordinance for the Employment of poor People be read on Tuesday Morning next, the first Business, after the Reports from Goldsmiths Hall.

Trade.

An Order was reported from the Grand Committee, of referring some Matters concerning Trade, in relation to Foreign Princes and States, to the Committee of Foreign Affairs: The which was read. And

It is Ordered, That it be committed unto Mr. Green, Mr. Strickland and Mr. John Ashe: Who are to consider of it; and to bring in an Order of Reference and Power to the Committee of Foreign Affairs, touching the Matter of Trade, to the Purposes aforesaid.

Mr. Bond, Mr. John Ashe, Mr. Edward Ashe, Mr. Beddingfield, Mr. Rolle, Mr. Reynolds, Mr. Boone, Mr. Nelthorpe, Mr. Challoner, Mr. Maynard, Mr. Green, Mr. Strickland, Sir Walter Erle, Mr. Holland, Mr. Lisle, Sir Wm. Allenson, Mr. Gourdon, Sir Dudley North, Mr. Salwey, Mr. Toll, Mr. Blakiston, Sir Henry Mildmay, Mr. Robinson, Mr. Oldesworth, Mr. Allen, Mr. Ratcliff, Mr. Ellis, Mr. Fowell, Alderman Pennington, Serjeant Wilde, Mr. Dodderich, Mr. Aldworth, Mr. Bulkley, Sir Henry Vane senior, Mr. Bacon, and all the Burgesses of the Port Towns and Cinque Ports;

This Committee is appointed to consider of the several Charges that lie on the Trade and Merchandize of the Kingdom; viz. Alnage, the Duke of Richmond's Licence Money, unnecessary Officers in the Custom-house, and their Fees; and concerning Imposition on Alum; and what Alteration is fit to be made in the Book of Rates; and to remove the Obstructions of Trade; and how to advance the Trade of the Kingdom; and to consider how to take off all other Taxes laid on Cloth, and Woolen Commodities, not granted by Parliament: And are to meet upon it on Monday next, at Two post Meridiem, in the Exchequer Chamber; and have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers, Records.

Letter read.

The Question being put, That a Letter, directed to Mr. Speaker, and signed, by the Appointment of the General Council of the Army, "Wm. Clerk Secretary," from Putney, of Novembris, 5 1647, shall be now read;

The House was divided.

The Yeas went forth.

Mr. Robert Goodwyn, Teller for the Yea: 105.
Mr. Bulkley, With the Yea,
Mr. Reynolds, Teller for the Noe: 70.
Mr. Bond, With the Noe,

So that the Question passed with the Affirmative.

And the said Letter was accordingly read.

Preacher thanked.

Resolved, &c. That Mr. Allen do give the Thanks of this House to Mr. Bridge, for the great Pains he took in the Sermon he preached Yesterday the Fifth of November, before this House, at Margarett's Church, Westminster: And that he be desired to print his Sermon: And to have the like Privilege in Printing thereof, as others in like Cases usually have.

Propositions to the King.

Resolved, &c. That Mr. Challoner do now make his Report from the Committee to whom the Business concerning the King's Negative Vote was referred.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth concur and assent to this Clause following; viz.

The Lords and Commons, assembled in Parliament, do declare, That the King of England for the Time being is bound in Justice, and by the Duty of his Office, to give his Assent to all such Laws, as, by the Lords and Commons, in Parliament, shall be adjudged to be for the Good of the Kingdom, and by them tendered unto him for his Assent.

The Question was propounded, For passing this Clause following; viz. "And in case the Laws so offered unto him shall not thereupon be assented unto by him, That, nevertheless, they are as valid to all Intents and Purposes, as if his Assent had been thereunto had and obtained: Which they do insist upon as an undoubted Right:"

And the Question being put, Whether this Question shall be now put;

It passed with the Negative.

The Question was propounded, For the passing this Clause following; viz. "And for a present Settling of a safe and well-grounded Peace, they do expect, that the King shall so acknowledge it, by giving his Assent hereunto, and to the ensuing Propositions:"

And the Question being put, Whether this Question shall be now put;

The House was divided.

The Noes went forth.

Mr. Bond, Teller for the Yea: 59.
Mr. Reynolds, With the Yea,
Sir Walter Erle, Teller for the Noe: 92.
Mr. Pelham, With the Noe,

So that the Question passed with the Negative.

The Question was propounded, For passing this Clause following; viz. "And, in pursuance thereof, do offer the ensuing Propositions to be made Laws, for a present Settling of a safe and well-grounded Peace:"

And the Question being put, Whether the Question shall be now put;

It passed with the Affirmative.

And then the whole Clause is thus resolved:

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, do declare that the King of England for the Time being, is bound in Justice, and by the Duty of his Office, to give his Assent to all such Laws as by the Lords and Commons, in Parliament, shall be adjudged to be for the Good of the Kingdom, and by them tendered unto him for his Assent; and, in pursuance thereof, do offer the ensuing Propositions to be made Laws, for the present Settling of a safe and well-grounded Peace."

Resolved, &c. That the Lords Concurrence be desired in this Resolution; in the other Additions to the Propositions made by this House; and in the Alteration and Additions reported from the Committee: And that, on Monday Morning next, a Conference be desired with the Lords; and these Matters communicated unto them at that Conference; and their Concurrence desired.

Mr. Swynfen, Mr. Annesly, Mr. * Pierrepoint, Colonel Booth, Mr. Boys, Mr. Nath. Fienis, are appointed Managers of this Conference.

Sir Robert Pye is appointed to go to the Lords on Monday Morning next; and to desire a Conference by the Committee of the whole House, so soon as may stand with their Lordships Conveniency, concerning the Propositions to be sent to the King.