House of Commons Journal Volume 5
16 November 1647

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 5: 16 November 1647', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 5: 1646-1648 (1802), pp. 359-360. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=25228 Date accessed: 25 July 2014.


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Die Martis, 16 Novembris, 1647.

PRAYERS.

Interposition to prevent a Quarrel.

A LETTER, by way of Challenge, directed to Colonel Whalley, and signed W. Murray, dated Sunday Morning, was this Day read.

Resolved, &c. That Mr. Wm. Murray be forthwith sent for in safe Custody.

Irish Affairs.

Ordered, That the Ordinances concerning Ireland be read, and considered of, on Friday Morning next, the first Business.

Mutiny in the Army.

A Letter from the General, from Herts, of 15 Novembris 1647, giving an Account of the Proceedings at the Rendezvous; and likewise a Remonstrance, to be subscribed by the Soldiery; were read: And likewise a printed Petition, directed to his Excellency, and stiled, The humble Petition of many Officers and Soldiers under his Command; together with a printed Paper annexed, stiled, An Agreement of the People for a firm and present Peace, upon Grounds of common Right and Freedom; were read; indorsed of the Outside, England's Freedom, Soldiers Rights.

Resolved, &c. That Colonel Rainborough be summoned forthwith to attend the House.

Mr. Bois, Mr. Pierepoint, Mr. Swynfen, Sir John Evelyn, Mr. Knightley, Mr. Grimston, or any Two of them, are appointed presently to withdraw, to prepare a Letter of Thanks to be returned to the General, for his reduceing the Mutineers, and settling the Army.

Resolved, &c. That a Committee be appointed to inquire, What Meetings of Persons and Transactions have been in London, for the Dividing of the Army, and Disturbance of the Quiet of this Kingdom; viz. Sir Walter Erle, Sir Wm. Massam, Colonel Birch, Mr. Jo. Ashe, Sir Peter Wentworth, Sir John Northcott, Mr. Rose, Sir John Danvers, Sir Gilbert Gerard, Mr. Hodges, Mr. Grimston, Sir Robert Pye, Mr. Tate, Mr. Jephson, Sir Nath. Barnardiston, Mr. Bois, Mr. Nath. Stephens, Mr. Erle, Mr. Dodderich, Sir Wm. Allenson, Mr. Rigby, Mr. Holland, Sir Richard Wynne, Sir Anth. Irby, Alderman Pennington, Sir Wm. Constable, Mr. Wheeler, Colonel Ludlow, Mr. Lisle, Mr. Strickland, Colonel Marten, Mr. Nutt, Mr. Strode:

This Committee, or any Five of them, are appointed to meet this Afternoon at Two of Clock, in the Inner Court of Wards: And have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers, Records: And the Care of this Business is more particularly referred to Mr. Rose.

King's Person, &c.

Mr. Lisle reported from the Committee, their Opinion touching the Security and Safety of the Person of the King in the Isle of Wight.

The Question was propounded, That the securest Place for the King's Residence, during the Time the Houses shall think fit to continue him in the Isle of Wight, is Carisbrook Castle.

And the Question being put, Whether this Question shall be now put;

The House was divided.

The Noes went forth.

Sir Arthur Hesilrige, Teller for the Yea: 111.
Colonel Norton, With the Yea,
Mr. Marten, Teller for the Noe: 69.
Mr. Boys, With the Noe,

So that the Question passed with the Affirmative.

Resolved, &c. That the securest Place for the King's Residence, during the Time the Houses shall think fit to continue him in the Isle of Wight, is Carisbrook Castle.

Resolved, &c. That no Person who hath been in Arms, or assisted in this unnatural War against the Parliament, be permitted to come or remain in the said Isle, during the King's Residence there, unless they be Inhabitants of the Island, and have compounded with the Parliament.

Resolved, &c. That no Person who hath been in Arms, or assisted in this unnatural War against the Parliament, shall be permitted to come into the King's Presence, or into any Fort or Castle in the said Isle, during the King's Residence there, although he be an Inhabitant, and hath compounded with the Parliament.

Resolved, &c. That no Stranger, or Person of a Foreign Nation, shall be permitted to come into the King's Presence, without Direction of both Houses of Parliament; except such as have Warrant from the Parliament of Scotland, or from the Committee of that Parliament thereunto authorized; and are not disabled by the Propositions agreed on by both Kingdoms.

Resolved, &c. That a sufficient Guard be appointed by Colonel Hammond, Governor of the said Isle, for securing the King's Person from any Violence, and preventing his departing the said Isle, without the Directions of both Houses.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Sir Walter Erle is appointed to carry it to the Lords.

Resolved, &c. That the Sum of Five hundred Pounds be provided by the Committee of the Revenue for defraying the Expences of the King in the Isle of Wight: And that the said Committee do advise with the Commissioners lately appointed to reside with the King, upon the Way of disbursing and disposing the said Monies in such manner as the said Monies may be brought to an Account: And that they consider of the Persons to attend the King; and present their Names to the House.

Letter to be read.

Ordered, That the Plymouth Letter be read To-morrow Morning.

King's Household.

Resolved, &c. That the King's Household at Hampton Court be forthwith dissolved.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Propositions to the King.

Resolved, &c. That Committees of both Houses shall be sent to the King, with the Propositions agreed on by both Houses, on Monday next.

Resolved, &c. That the Members of both Houses, that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms, do acquaint the Scotts Commissioners, That the Propositions agreed on by both Houses, to be presented to the King, for settling a safe and well-grounded Peace, are ready; and that the Houses have resolved to send them to the King on Monday next; That the Houses will be ready to join with the Commissioners of the Kingdom of Scotland, to insist on the same Things, for the Peace and Interest of that Kingdom, which were formerly propounded in behalf thereof, in the late Propositions of both Kingdoms: Or, if any Alterations, in behalf of that Kingdom, be thought fit, the Houses do desire they may be prepared, and perfected, within the Time afore-mentioned; that so no Time may be lost for the joint Sending of such Things to the King, as shall be agreed on, for the Interest and Peace of the Kingdoms, respectively.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Raising Monies.

Ordered, That, on Thursday Morning next, peremptorily, the first Business after the Reports at Goldsmiths Hall, the House do take into Consideration the providing Monies for the Army: And that, in order thereunto, in the mean time, Mr. Myles Corbett, Mr. Edward Ashe, Mr. Green, Mr. Vassall, Sir Thomas Soame, and Mr. Beddingfield, do employ their best Endeavours with the Commissioners of Excise, or any other Persons, as they shall think fit, for the Loan of Twenty thousand Pounds, for the present Service of the Army.

Message to Lords.

Sir Walter Erle carried to the Lords for their Concurrence the Votes and Directions to Colonel Hamond, concerning the King: The Vote for dissolving the King's Household: The Vote for acquainting the Scotts Commissioners with the Resolutions of the Houses, touching the Propositions.

Letter to the General.

A Letter to be sent to the General was read; and, upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be signed by Mr. Speaker; and sent away to the General.

Conference.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edward Leach and Mr. Page;

The Lords desire a Conference, by Committees of both Houses, concerning some Things they have lately received from the General, presently in the Painted Chamber; if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree to give a Conference presently, as is desired.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and will give a present Meeting, at a Conference, as is desired.

Mr. Lisle, Mr. Povey, Sir Peter Wentworth, and Mr. Reynolds, are appointed Reporters of this Conference.