House of Commons Journal Volume 5
18 December 1647

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 5: 18 December 1647', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 5: 1646-1648 (1802), pp. 391-392. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=25254 Date accessed: 31 July 2014.


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Die Sabbati, 18 Decembris, 1647.

PRAYERS.

Delinquents.

MR. John Ashe reports divers Fines and Compositions from the Committee at Goldsmiths Hall. Whereupon it is resolved, as followeth; viz.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth accept of the Sum of Twelve hundred Seventy-six Pounds Thirteen Shillings Four-pence, for a Fine, for the Delinquency of Edward Phelippes, of Mountague in the County of Somersett, Esquire: His Offence, That . . being a Member of the Honourable House of Commons, deserted the Parliament, and sat in the Assembly at Oxford: He rendered upon the Articles of Exeter: His Estate, in Fee, per Annum, Four hundred and Ninety-three Pounds Six Shillings and Eightpence; in Reversion, per Annum, Three hundred Pounds; out of which issues, for ever, per Annum, Five Pounds: Which leaves the Fine, at a Tenth, Twelve hundred and Seventy-six Pounds Thirteen Shillings and Four-pence.

An Ordinance for granting a Pardon unto Edward Phillippes, of Mountague in the County of Somersett, Esquire, for his Delinquency, and for taking off the Sequestration of his Estate, was this Day read; and, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent to the Lords for their Concurrence.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth accept of the Sum . . Three thousand Seven hundred Twenty-five Pounds, for a Fine, for the Delinquencies of Francis Lord Seymour, and Charles Seymour his Son, and Heir Apparent:

Their Offence is, That they left their Habitations, and resided in the Garison of Oxford, whilst it was held against the Parliament: They rendered upon the Articles of the Garison aforesaid: The Estate in Fee Tail, per Annum, Nine hundred and Fifty Pounds; in old Rents, per Annum, One hundred and Thirty Pounds Fifteen Shillings; Quit Rents, per Annum, Twenty-seven Pounds Sixteen Shillings; for Ninety-nine Years, per Annum, One hundred and Forty Pounds; for Three Lives, per Annum, Two hundred and Sixty-two Pounds Ten Shillings; in Reversion, old Rents, per Annum, Sixteen Pounds; for One Life, per Annum, Four hundred and Seventy-seven Pounds Ten Shillings: Out of which issues, for One Life, per Annum, Thirty Pounds; a Statute on the said Lands of One thousand and Forty Pounds; and also a Mortgage of Five hundred Pounds: Which, being allowed, leaves the Fine, at a Tenth, Three thousand Seven hundred and Twenty-five Pounds.

An Ordinance for granting a Pardon unto Francis Lord Seymour, and Charles Seymour his Son, for their Delinquency, and for taking off the Sequestration of their Estates, was this Day read; and, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent to the Lords for their Concurrence.

Army.

Ordered, That Mr. Scawen's Report concerning the Army, be resumed on Monday Morning next, the first Business.

Scotts Papers.

Ordered, That the Scotts Papers, last sent in, be forthwith read.

Colonel Lilbourne.

Ordered, That Mr. Maynard's Report concerning Lieutenant Colonel Lilbourne, be taken into Consideration on Wednesday Morning next.

Needham's Arrears, &c.

The humble Petition of Colonel John Needham was this Day read.

Ordered, That the Sum of Two thousand Five hundred Pounds, Part of the Composition Monies made at Ashby de la Zouche, remaining in the Hands of Colonel John Needham, be allowed, and paid unto the said Colonel, upon Account, in Part of the Arrears due unto him, upon his Entertainment in the Service of the Parliament: And that the said Colonel be referred to the Committee of Accompts here, to state and certify his Accompts.

It is further Ordered, That the Remainder of the said Composition Monies of Ashbie de la Zouch, resting in the Hands of the said Colonel John Needham, over and above the said Two thousand Five hundred Pounds allowed unto him the said Colonel, upon Account, as aforesaid, be paid unto the Treasurers at Goldsmiths Hall: And they are to pay Five hundred Pounds thereof to the Committee of Accompts here, towards the defraying the Expences and Charges of their Officers: And the said Colonel Needham, and all other Persons authorized to make Compositions at Ashby de la Zouch, are hereby required to deliver in the said Compositions, and the Particular of the Values of the Estates and Lands, and the Rates and Proportions at which they have compounded; to the End that Report thereof may be made to the Houses, as in other Cases; and Ordinances and Pardons passed thereon: And the Commissioners at Goldsmiths Hall are authorized to examine the said Compositions, and to view the same; to the end that, if the Parties Delinquent have not compounded, according to the Articles and Order of the Parliament, they may perfect the same accordingly, before their Discharges do pass.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Dr. Aylett and Mr. Sadler;

The Lords desire the Concurrence of this House, That Mr. Marshall and Mr. Nye may be appointed to attend the Commissioners that are to go to the Isle of Wight. They desire to put the House in mind of Sir Edward Poveye's Petition.

Attendance on Comm rs to I. of Wigh.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth concur with the Lords, That Mr. Marshall and Mr. Nye be appointed to attend the Commissioners that are to go to the Isle of Wight.

Payment to Povey.

Ordered, That the Sum of One hundred Pounds be forthwith paid, upon Account, unto Sir Edward Povey Knight, for Relief of his present extreme Necessities, by the Committee of the Revenue.

Business deferred.

Resolved, &c. That, on Thursday next, at Ten of Clock, the first Business, after the Reports at Goldsmiths Hall, the Report concerning Mr. Marshall and Mr. Nye be made; the Petition of Captain Wingate be read and considered; the Report concerning Dr. Twisse be made.

Wilson's Petition.

Ordered, That the Petition of Rowland Wilson, one of the Officers of the late Court of Wards, be read on Thursday Morning next.

Answer to Lords.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and do agree, That Mr. Marshall and Mr. Nye be appointed to attend the Commissioners that are to go to the Isle of Wight: As to Sir Edward Povey's Petition, they will speedily send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Army Arrears.

According to the Order Yesterday, the House took into Consideration the Papers reported from the Army Yesterday by Mr. Scawen.

Resolved, &c. That the Moiety of the Receipts of the Excise, in Course, shall be assigned and granted for Security of the Arrears of the Soldiery.

Resolved, &c. That the Sum of Six hundred thousand Pounds be charged upon the Securities already granted in relation to the Arrears of the Soldiery that are to be kept up in this Kingdom, and of the Supernumeraries that are now to be disbanded; except such as the House, by a Vote of the Eighth of this instant December, have thought fit to disband without any Pay.

Paper from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Dr. Aylett and Mr. Sadler;

The Lords have commanded us to bring unto you this Paper: In which they desire the Concurrence of this House; and that it may be communicated to the Scotts Commissioners this Afternoon, by the Members of both Houses, that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms.

Scotts Com rs Paper.

The Scotts Commissioners Paper, of 17 Decembris 1647, Yesterday reported by Mr. Samuel Browne, and then read, was again now read.

A long Paper, sent from the Scotts Commissioners, together with a Letter, of 17 Decembris 1647, directed to Mr. Speaker, signed, by Command of the Commissioners for the Parliament of Scotland, "John Chiesly," was now likewise read.

The Lords Paper, concerning the Scotts Commissioners Paper, sent with this Message, was read; and was in hæc verba; viz.

"That the present Condition of the Affairs of this Kingdom will not admit of any Delay in sending Commissioners of Parliament to the King, according to their Instructions lately communicated unto your Lordships: And therefore, the Houses are resolved the Commissioners shall go on Monday next.

"That the Papers from your Lordships to the Houses are so long, that a present Answer to them cannot be expected from the Houses: But the Houses will take them into Consideration with all convenient Speed; and do not doubt but to clear it to your Lordships, and to all the World, that they have proceeded therein without any Violation to the Treaties: And therefore they are very siensible, that such Aspersions should be laid upon the Houses; and desire they may be forborne for the future: And, in the mean time, they have now sent to offer it to your Lordships, if your Lordships have any thing to present unto the King, in the Behalf of the Kingdom of Scotland, that it may be ready to be sent at the same time when the Commissioners of the Houses are appointed to go with those Things that are to be presented to his Majesty, in the Behalf the Kingdom of England."

Resolved, &c. That this House doth concur with the Lords in this Paper; and do agree that it be communicated this Afternoon to the Scotts Commissioners, by the Members of both Houses that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms.

Ordered, That, next after that Business concerning the Army shall be determined, the House do take into Consideration, What is fit to be done upon the Scotts Commissioners Papers now read.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and do agree to the Paper now sent unto them; and that it be communicated this Afternoon to the Scotts Commissioners, in manner as is desired.