House of Commons Journal Volume 5
17 August 1648

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 5: 17 August 1648', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 5: 1646-1648 (1802), pp. 673-674. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=25448 Date accessed: 30 July 2014.


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Die Jovis, 17 Augusti, 1648.

Prayers.

Militia.

ORDERED, That the Grand Committee of the whole House, appointed to meet this Day upon the Ordinance for settling the Militia of the whole Kingdom, be adjourned; and do meet on Saturday Morning at Eight of Clock: And that Mr. Speaker do then forbear to take the Chair.

Inquiry into a Design.

Colonel Harvey, Sir Wm. Walle, Mr. Miles Corbett, Mr. Bulkley, Colonel Venne, Sir Harbottle Grimston, Sir Walter Erle, Mr. Bond, Sir John Curson, Colonel Purefoy, Mr. Boys, Sir John Evelyn, Mr. Recorder, Mr. Wheeler, Alderman Atkyn, Mr. Vassall, Sir John Danvers, Mr. John Ash, Mr. Edward Ashe, the Citizens of London.

This Committee, or any Five of them, is appointed to go to the Committee of the Militia of the City of London, this Afternoon, to examine the Design the House is now informed of: And this Committee has Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers, Records; and to search for and seize upon Horses, Arms, Ammunition, and other Habiliments of War: And have Power to secure such Persons as they shall find Cause for; and to proceed effectually to the thorough Examination and Discovering of the said Design: And are to meet de die in diem, as they shall think sit, upon it.

Treaty with the King.

According to the Order Yesterday made, the House took into Consideration the Report Yesterday made, by Sir John Potts, of the Conference had with the Lords, touching the King's Letter.

The King's Letter was read.

The Lords Votes, delivered Yesterday at the Conference, were likewise read.

Votes of Non-addresses, &c. revoked.

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House doth concur with the Lords, That, for opening a Way towards a Treaty with his Majesty, for a safe and well-grounded Peace, these Votes following are hereby revoked, and taken off; viz.

1. "Resolved, That the Lords and Commons do declare, That they will make no further Addresses or Application to the King."

2. "Resolved, by the Lords and Commons, assembled in Parliament, That no Application or Address be made to the King, by any Person whatsoever, without the Leave of both Houses."

3. "Resolved, by the Lords and Commons; assembled in Parliament, That the Person or Persons, that shall make Breach of this Order; shall incur the Penalties of High Treason."

4. "Resolved, That the Lords and Commons do declare, That they will receive no more any Message from the King; and do enjoin, That no Person whatsoever do presume to receive or bring any Message from the King, or both or either of the Houses of Parliament, or to any other Person."

Message to Lords.

Sir John Temple carried to the Lords, for their Concurrence, an Order for Payment of Two hundred Pounds to Mr. Ryley, for his Service; and Fifty Pounds for the Use of the Tower: An Ordinance for Payment of the Interest of Thirty thousand Seven hundred Pounds, appointed to the reduced Officers in the Four Lists: An Order for One thousand Pounds, for the Commissioners employed to negociate a Contribution in the Low Countries, for Relief of the Protestants in Ireland: A Declaration concerning the Netherland Contribution: An Order for Payment of Five hundred Pounds to Sir David Hastevile: The Order for Payment of Six hundred Pounds to Sir Edward Povey, out of Haberdashers Hall: An Order for paying Two thousand Eight hundred Fifteen Pounds Eighteen Shillings and Ten Pence to Robert Canne, and Company of Merchants of Bristoll: An Order for Payment of Two hundred Pounds to Captain Richard Hamlyn, Order for Payment of Five hundred Pounds, and Five Pounds per Week, to Colonel Needham's Widow: An Ordinance for pardoning the Delinquency of Sir Robert Fenne, and Robert Fenne his Son.

He is further to put the Lords in mind of the Ordinance, formerly sent to them, touching the Government of the Church.

Answer.

Sir John Temple brings Answer, That the Lords will take the Ordinance, touching Church Government, into speedy Consideration; and will send Answer by Messengers of their own. They do agree to the Ordinance concerning Sir Robert Fenne, and his Son: To the rest they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Treaty with the King.

The Question was propounded, That his Majesty be desired to send to the Houses the Names of such Persons as he shall conceive to be of necessary Use, to be about him during this Treaty.

And the Question being put, Whether any Addition be made to this Question;

The House was divided.

The Yeas went forth.

Sir Thomas Dacres, Tellers for the Yea: 95.
Sir Antho. Irby, With the Yea,
Sir John Temple, Tellers for the Noe: 80.
Colonel Whitehead, With the Noe,

So that the Question passed with the Affirmative.

Resolved, &c. That this shall be an Addition to the Question, viz. "they not being Persons excepted by the House from Pardon, or that are now under Restraint, or now in actual War against the Parliament, by Sea or Land, or in such Numbers as may draw any just Cause of Suspicion."

Resolved, &c. That his Majesty be desired to send to the Houses the Names of such Persons as he shall conceive to be of necessary Use, to be about him during this Treaty; they not being Persons excepted by the Houses from Pardon, or that are now under Restraint, or now in actual War against the Parliament, by Sea or Land, or in such Numbers as may draw any just Cause of Suspicion.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth concur with the Lords in this Propositions, thus amended; viz. "That his Majesty shall be in the Isle of Wight, in the same State and Freedom as he was in, when he was last at Hampton Court."

Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree with the Lords in this Vote, thus amended; viz. "That such domestick Servants, not being in the former Limitations, as his Majesty shall appoint to come to attend upon his Person, shall be sent unto him."

Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree with the Lords, That the Town of Newport, in the Isle of Wight, named by the King, shall be the Place for this Treaty with his Majesty.

The Scotts.

Ordered, That the Two Votes of the Lords, concerning the Scotts, be taken into Debate, the first Business, To-morrow Morning; nothing to intervene.

Leave of Absence.

Ordered, That Mr. Robert Goodwyn have Leave to go into the Country.

Treaty with the King.

Mr. Bulkley is appointed to go with a Message to the Lords, To-morrow Morning, to desire the Lords to appoint a Time for the Committee touching the Peace to meet, about the Time and other Circumstances, concerning the Manner of the Treaty.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree with the Lords, That the Time, and all other Circumstances, concerning the Manner of the Treaty, be referred to the Consideration of the Committee for Peace; and to be reported to the Houses.