House of Commons Journal Volume 8
24 August 1660

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 8: 24 August 1660', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 8: 1660-1667 (1802), pp. 133-135. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=26275&strquery=Vane Date accessed: 30 September 2014.


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Friday, August 24th, 1660.

Prayers.

WM. Defisher, Nicholas Vanacker, Peter Hoet, Peter Dolisleger, John Kans, came up to the Clerk's Table; and there took the Oaths of Supremacy and Allegiance, in order to their Naturalization.

Nat. Bill.

Sir Edward Turner reports from the Committee to whom the Bill for Naturalizing is referred, Amendments to the said Bill: Which were, upon the Question, agreed unto.

Resolved, That such as have not taken the Oaths, and that have not Certificates, that they have received the Sacrament, shall be omitted out of this Bill.

Certificates on the Behalf of Wm. Vandewall, and Lewis Gillart, were read.

Resolved, That Wm. Vandewall, and Lewis Gillart, of Rye in Sussex, be inserted into this Bill.

Resolved, That this Bill be ingrossed.

Resolved, That the Names of Elias Brooke, alias Beake, born of English Parents, in Flushing in Zealand; Constant Silvester, Nathaniell Silvester, Joshua Silvester, Giles Silvester, and Mary Cartwright, born at Amsterdam; all Children of Giles Silvester, and Mary his Wife, English Parents; be inserted into this Bill.

Protestants of Piedmont, &c.

A Bill for enabling the paying in of Monies, collected for the Protestants of Piedmont, and lent out to Mr. Noell, and others; be read To-morrow Morning.

Marq. of Winchester's Estate.

A Bill, ingrossed, sent down from the Lords, towards the Reparation and Satisfaction, to be made unto John Lord St. John of Basing, Earl of Wiltshire, and Marquis of Winchester, out of the Manors and Lands of Robert Wallop Esquire, and Sir Thomas Jervoise Knight, deceased, for Nineteen thousand Pounds, and Damages for the same, was this Day read the Second time; and, upon the Question, committed to Sir Allen Broaderick, Mr. Goodrick, Sir Gilbert Gerrard, Mr. Wingfeild, Mr. Shapcot, Mr. Hungerford, Sir Anthony Irby, Mr. Tomkins, Mr. Annesley, Mr. Pitt, Sir Edward Turner, Mr. Earneley, Mr. Hollis. Mr. Rolls, Sir Ralph Ashton, Mr. Bampfeild, Serjeant Glyn, Sir Edward Seymour, Mr. Young, Mr. Skipwith, Dr. Cleyton, Mr. Mallet, Lord Faulkland, Colonel Harley, Mr. George Mountague, Sir Henry Oxenden, Mr. Gerrard, Sir Solomon Swale, Sir George Reeve, Mr. Charlton, Sir Richard Onslow, Sir George Booth, Colonel King, Mr. Eyres, Sir Robert Brooke, Mr. Thurland, Mr. Rainsford, Mr. Seymour, Sir Ralph Knight, Mr. Allen, Mr. Minors, Sir Henry Crofts, Mr. Lucy, Mr. Newton, Sir Henry Hungerford, Mr. Thomas, Mr. Thornton, Mr. Culliford, Lord Aungeir, Sir Lancelot Lake, Mr. Chaffe, Mr. Trevor, Sir Wm. Doyley, Major Hales, Mr. Lowther, Mr. Fleetwood, Mr. Clifford, Mr. Harris, Sir Capel Luckin, Mr. Babington, Mr. Munson, Major Harley, Mr. Ellison, Mr. Sorrell, Mr. Courtop, Sir Wm. Windham, Sir Geo. Saville, Sir Hennage Finch, Colonel Morley, and all the Knights and Burgesses that serve for the County of Southampton: And they are to meet at Two of the Clock, on Monday next, in the Afternoon, in the Speaker's Chamber; and have Power to send for Persons, Papers, Witnesses, and what else may conduce to the Business; and to hear all Persons concerned.

Privilege- Printing Proceedings.

Complaint being made, that several Acts now depending before the Parliament, or Part of them, have been lately printed by Henry Hills and John Field without Warrant;

Ordered, That the said Henry Hills and John Field be sent for in Custody by the Serjeant at Arms attending this House.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee to whom some other Matters relating to the Press are referred to examine this Business; and by what Order the said Matters were printed; and where they had their Copies; and report it to the House.

Ordered, That it be referred to the same Committee to consider and advise what is fit to be done for regulating of Printing; and to peruse the several Acts and Ordinances heretofore made for that End; and to consider what is defective; and to prepare a Bill for remedying the Inconveniences of the Press for the future; inserting a Clause therein, to authorize the breaking open of Doors of any Printer, for the better Discovery of Abuses of this Nature; and to report the same to the House.

Ordered, That the said Committee take Order for seizing upon all such Papers, in the Houses of Henry Hills and John Feild, which relate to the Proceedings of this House, and are by them printed without Warrant.

Ordered, That Sir Henage Finch, Sir Edward Turner, Mr. Charlton, Mr. Brampston, Sir George Reeve, Mr. Lowther, Mr. Mallet, Mr. Wingfeild, Mr. Thomas, Dr. Cleyton, and Major Hales, be added to the said Committee.

The House being informed, that Mr. William Saunderson, being several times summoned to attend the Committee for Printing, hath not given his Attendance accordingly.

Ordered, That the Serjeant at Arms attending this House do send for the said Mr. Saunderson, in Custody.

Woollen Manufactures.

Ordered, That the Committee for encouraging of Woollen Manufactures, do consider of a fit Table of Fees for the Officers of the Customs; and report it to this House: And Mr. Annesley, and Sir Wm. Doyley, are added to that Committee.

Excise.

Sir Wm. Doyley reports from the Commissioners of Appeals, and regulating the Excise, a Certificate from the Commissioners of Excise to the said Commissioners for Appeals, taking notice of the Obstructions to the Excise of Calicoes, and Raw Silk: Which was read.

Resolved, That all Calicoes do pay Excise; they being declared not to be Linen.

Resolved, That all Raw Silks do pay Excise, till further Order; and that the Commissioners for Excise do proceed in the receiving Excise for the said Commodities accordingly.

Ordered, That, on Tuesday next, the House be resolved into a Grand Committee to proceed with the Bill of Excise.

Heads of Conference.

Mr. Trevor reports from the Committee, the Heads for a free Conference with the Lords: Which were read, and are as followeth;

I. That the House of Commons, having considered of their Lordships Reasons, offered at the last Conference, have had a serious Debate thereupon; are not satisfied thereby, to concur with their Lordships, for the excepting the Persons, that rendered themselves upon the King's Proclamation, for any Pardon, both for Life and Estate.

The Reasons.

That the Reasons, their Lordships offered to the last Expedient offered by the House of Commons, that it was upon a Mistake: For that they do not apprehend, how it can be understood to leave those Persons in a better Condition than they were before; when the same Reservation, by which they were referred to future Penalties, doth still continue; and they are now, by that Proposal, referred to the Determination of Parliament, as to their Lives also; these restrictive Words, "not extending to Life," being now offered to be taken away. But, for their Lordships further Satisfaction, that it be proposed, to except them in this Bill, for such Pains or Penalties their Lordships shall think fit, not extending to Life; and to leave them, for their Lives, to a future Act: To receive any Expedients from their Lordships, that may consist with the Honour of the House.

Resolved, That the last Clause but one, concerning Banishment, be laid aside.

Resolved, That one Head of the Conference be, a Protestation, that this House insists not upon That, which concerns the Judges of the late King, from any Favour or Respect to their Persons: But merely out of a Tenderness to preserve the Honour of the Parliament; and that they may be living Monuments of publick Justice.

Resolved, That this House adheres to the Clause concerning such of the said Judges as are dead; for that, if they should stand as it is offered by the Lords, their Estates will be exempted.

Resolved, That Notice be taken to the Lords, that several Petitions are offered on Behalf of many of the Persons concerned; and that it will be necessary, Matter of Fact be examined, before their respective Cases be determined; which would now baget too great a Delay, in regard of the near Approach of the Assizes.

Pardon and Oblivion.

A Letter directed to Sir Charles Coote, Lord President of Connaught, dated at Kilkenny, June 30th, 1660, signed J. Jeonar, concerning Colonel Daniell Axtell, was read.

The humble Petition of Daniell Axtell, one of the Twenty Persons excepted out of the General Act of Pardon, was read.

Resolved, That this House doth agree with the Lords, as to Daniel Axtell his standing excepted in the Act of Oblivion; in the same sort as is offered in the Amendments from the Lords.

Resolved, That this House doth agree with the Lords, as to Sir Henry Vane's standing excepted in the Act of General Pardon and Oblivion; in the same sort as is offered in the Amendments from the Lords.

Resolved, That this House doth agree with the Lords, as to Colonel John Lambert's standing excepted in the Acts of General Pardon and Oblivion; in the same sort as is offered in the Amendments from the Lords.

The Question being put, That this House doth agree with the Lords, as to Sir Arthur Hesilrig's standing excepted in the Act of General Pardon and Oblivion: in the same sort as is offered in the Amendments from the Lords;

The House was divided.
And the Yeas went forth.

Mr. Titus, Tellers for the Yeas: 116.
Lord St. John, With the Yeas,
Sir Anthony Irby, Tellers for the Noes: 141.
Mr. Gilbert Gerrard, With the Noes,

And so it passed in the Negative.

Usury.

Sir Edward Turner carried up to the Lords the Bill for preventing the taking of excessive Usury.

Message for Lords to sit.

Ordered, That the Lords be desired to sit at Four in the Afternoon; and that Sir Edward Turner do go to the Lords, and desire them to sit accordingly.

Sir H. Vane and Lambert.

Resolved, That this House doth agree with the Lords, in the Expedient offered by them, at the last Conference, as to Sir Henry Vane and Colonel Lambert, for petitioning his Majesty for their Pardon, as to their Lives.

Lords will sit.

Sir Edward Turner brings Answer, that the Lords do agree to sit at Four of the Clock in the Afternoon.

Pardon and Oblivion.

Ordered, That the Committee acquaint the Lords at the Conference, that the Ground of their concurring with their Lordships, as to Colonel Axtell, was the Evidence given them by Lieutenant Colonel Jeonor's Letter to Sir Charles Coote, communicated by their Lordships at the last Conference.

This House adjourns itself, till Three of the Clock in the Afternoon.

Friday, 24th August, 1660. Afternoon.

Sales.

ORDERED, That the Grand Committee upon the Bill of Sales, who should have sitten this Afternoon, do sit To-morrow in the Afternoon.

Conference desired with Lords.

Resolved, That the Lord Falkland do go to the Lords with this Message;

That this House doth desire a present free Conference with them, upon the Subject-matter of the last Conference.

Pardon and Oblivion.

The Question being put, That this House doth agree with the Lords, in their Amendment, as to Edmund Wareing, Wm. Wyberd, John Blackwell, and Colonel Thomas Croxton's being excepted for Life;

It passed with the Negative.

Lords agree to Conference.

The Lord Falkland brings Answer, that the Lords do agree to a free Conference, in the Painted Chamber, as is desired.

Ordered, That Sir Thomas Clergis, and the Lord Falkland, be added to the Committee, to manage the Conference with the Lords.