Friday, September 7th, 1660.
Countess of Derby's Nat.
A BILL, ingrossed, sent down from the Lords, for
the Naturalizing of Dorothea Helena, Countess of
Derby, Emilia Countess of Ossery, Margaret Lady Culpepper, and the Right honourable Charles Kirkhoven
Lord Wotton, and Dame Emilia his Sister; was this Day
read the First time; and, upon the Question, ordered to
be read the Second time, the First Business, in the
Letter from D. of Yorke.
Mr. Speaker communicates to the House a Letter of
Thanks from his Highness the Duke of Yorke: Which
Letter was read; and was dated at Whitehall, September
the 6th, 1660.
Clerk to attend with Journals.
Ordered, That the Clerk of this House do, from time
to time, attend Mr. Attorney General, and other his
Majesty's Counsel learned, with such Journals, and other
Records remaining in his Hands, as they shall call for; to
be made use of by them, as they shall see Cause.
Ordered, That the Surveyor General, Register, and
other Officers for Sale of the Lands of the late King,
Queen, and Prince, and all other Persons whom it doth
concern, do forthwith deliver the Surveys, and all Deeds,
Writings, Rolls, and Evidences, belonging to or concerning the King's, Queen's, and Prince's Lands, the
Duchy Lands, and Fee-farm Rents, to the Remembrancer
of the Exchequer, and to the Clerk of the Duchy of Lancaster, to whom they respectively belong.
Restoring Marq. of Newcastle.
The Lord Aungier carried up the Bill for restoring to
the Marquis of Newcastle his Honours, Manors, and
Lands, whereof he hath been dispossessed.
That his Majesty be desired to give Order, that the
Timber upon the Forest or Deane and New Forest, belonging to the King's Majesty, and Sherwood Forest, and
all other his Demesnes, be preserved, with the uttermost
Care, for the Service of the Navy.
Resolved, That his Majesty be humbly moved, not to
exercise his Prerogative in making use of his Tenures;
or to settle any Offices or Officers relating thereunto, till
other Order taken.
Ordered, That it be referred to Serjeant Glyn, Serjeant
Hales, Lord Herbert, Sir Henage Finch, to pen Orders
for preserving of Timber, and concerning Tenures, to
the Purport of the Debate now had in the House.
Resolved, That his Majesty be humbly moved, from
this House, that he will please not to make any Lease,
or other Disposal, of any the Lands, or other Revenue
of the Crown, for a longer Term than Three Lives, or
Thirty-one Years; nor under a lower Rent than the full
Moiety of the now improved yearly Value.
Resolved, That One Month's Assessment, at Seventy
thousand Pounds, be laid, for his Majesty's present Supply, to begin at Michaelmas next; and to be levied in
the Way the last Three Months Assessments, beginning
the Twenty-fourth of June 1660, were appointed to be
Ordered, That Mr. Solicitor General do bring in a Bill
to that Purpose, in the Afternoon.
Rents of excepted Persons.
Resolved, That no Monies due to any the Persons excepted from Pardon in the Act of General Pardon, Indemnity, and Oblivion, nor any Interest for the same,
which have grown due by Rents, or at the Excise, or
upon Weaver's Hall Bills, or otherwise, be paid to any
of the said Persons; but that a Stay be made thereof in
the Hands of the respective Persons who ought to pay
the same, till further Order.
Ordered, That this Resolve be forthwith printed and
Bills from Lords.
A Message from the Lords, by Dr. Bennet and Mr.
Mr. Speaker, The Lords have commanded us to bring
you a Bill for Restoring, unto Morough, alias Morgan, Earl
of Insequin, all his Honours, Manors, Lands, Tenements,
and Hereditaments, in Ireland; to which they desire your
Concurrence: And, to let you know, that they have
agreed to the Amendments sent up to the Bill concerning
the Marquis of Newcastle.
Restoring Earl of Inchequin.
A Bill, sent from the Lords, for restoring unto Murrough, alias Morgan, Earl of Inchequin, all his Honours,
Manors, Lands, &c. in Ireland, whereof he was possessed
23d October 1641, or any time since, was this Day read
the First and Second time; and committed unto Lord
Aungier, Mr. Bamfeild, Mr. Pryn, Mr. Annesley, Lord
Bulkley, Sir Wm. Waller, Colonel West, Lord Bruce,
Mr. Hollis, Lord Broghill, Sir Anthony Irby, Sir Robert
Brookes, Mr. Joliffe, Sir Anthony Ashley Cooper, Mr.
Powell, Mr. Harris, Sir John Temple, Sir Tho. Wharton,
Sir Tho. Meeres, Sir Francis Gerrard, Colonel King, or
any Three of them: And they are to meet in the Court
of Wards, at One of the Clock in the Afternoon.
Draining the Fens.
Mr. Trevor reports from the Committee to whom the
Bill for Maintenance and Preservation of the great Level
in the Fens, extending itself into the Counties of Northampton, &c. was referred, a new Bill, for Maintenance and
Preservation of the said great Level of the Fens: Which
was this Day read the First and Second time.
A Proviso was tendered to this Bill; giving Powers to
Commissioners of the Sewers, to proportion the Charge
between the Adventurers, and those that were anciently
to maintain the Banks, if the Banks were raised higher
than formerly: Which was read.
And the Question being put, That this Bill be committed;
It passed in the Negative.
Resolved, That this Bill be ingrossed.
Lords desire a Conference.
A Message from the Lords, by Mr. Glascock and
* *, Two Masters of the Chancery;
Mr. Speaker, The Lords desire a Conference with this
House presently, in the Painted Chamber, concerning the
Bill for disbanding the Army.
Resolved, That this House doth agree to a present
Conference, as is desired.
Ordered, That Mr. Holles, Mr. Annesley, Mr. Secretary
Morris, Lord Broghill, Sir John Northcot, Sir Richard
Onslow, Sir Anthony Ashley Cooper, Lord Howard, Serjeant
Glyn, Mr. Swinfin, Colonel Birch, be the Committee to
manage this Conference.
The Messengers being called in again, Mr. Speaker
gave them this Answer;
The House hath considered of your Message; and do
agree to a present Conference.
Committee of Privileges.
Ordered, That the Committee for Privileges and Elections have the Leave of this House to sit this Afternoon,
between the Rising and Sitting of this House.
The House adjourns itself till Two of the Clock
in the Afternoon.
Countess of Derby's, &c. Nat.
A BILL, ingrossed, sent down from the Lords, for
the Naturalizing of Dorothea Helena Countess of Derby,
Emilia Countess of Ossery, and the Right honourable
Charles Kirkhoven Lord Wotton, and Dame Emilia his
Sister, was this Day read the Second time.
Ordered, That this Bill be read the Third time Tomorrow Morning.
Restoring Lord Culpepper.
A Bill, ingrossed, sent down from the Lords, for the
Restoring unto John Lord Culpepper, all his Honours,
Manors, and Lands, whereof he was in Possession on the
Twentieth Day of May 1642, was this Day read the
Ordered, That this Bill be read the Second time Tomorrow Morning, next after the Bill for Naturalization.
Addresses- Timber and Court of Wards.
Mr. Serjeant Glyn reports Addresses to be made to the
King's Majesty, upon the Debate this Day: Which were
twice read; and, being severally put to the Question, were
agreed unto; and are as followeth:
Resolved, That in respect of the great Decay of Timber, his Majesty be humbly moved, that, for the Building and Repairing of Shipping, and Advancement of
Navigation, and other publick Occasions of this Kingdom, his Majesty would be pleased to give Order, that
all Timber, and Trees, growing or being upon any his
Majesty's Wastes, or Demesne Lands, lying within the
Precincts of the Forest of Deane, as well the Eighteen
thousand Acres, granted, or pretended to be granted, to
Sir John Wintour, or any other his Demesne Lands there,
or in or upon any other of his Majesty's Wastes, or Demesne Lands, in any other Forest, be carefully preserved
for the Ends aforesaid: And that, in order thereunto,
his Majesty would be pleased not to grant the said Wastes,
and Demesne Lands, nor the Timber growing thereupon,
or upon any other his Majesty's Lands or Demesnes, to
Resolved, That whereas a Bill for the taking away of
the Court of Wards, and Tenures by Knight Service, is
under the Consideration of this House; which, in respect
of the present Recess, cannot be at this time dispatched:
his Majesty be humbly moved, that he would be pleased
to suspend the Sitting of that Court; and all Profits of
Wardships, Marriages of Wards, Licences of Alienation, and the placing of Officers, finding of Offices, and
acting of any thing concerning the same, or relating thereunto, until the Twenty-fifth Day of December next.
Ordered, That the Members of this House, of the
King's Majesty's Council, do wait on his Majesty from
this House with these several Votes; and humbly desire
his Majesty's Assent thereunto.
Colonel Birch reports from the Commissioners for
Appeals, and regulating the Excise, that, such are the
Obstructions of collecting and levying the Duty of Excise
both in London, and the several Counties of England and
Wales, that it is very necessary that his Majesty be humbly
desired, by both Houses of Parliament, forthwith to issue
out his Proclamation, requiring all his Subjects in England and Wales, that are liable to pay Excise, to conform
unto the Rules, Regulations, and Powers, whereby that
Imposition hath been levied, in paying the same; for Satisfaction of the great Debt charged thereupon: And that
the Justices of the Peace, of the respective Counties, for
Removal of the said Obstructions, do vigorously proceed
in putting such of the Rules and Powers as are under
their Cognizance, in Execution.
Resolved, That in respect of the Obstructions in collecting and levying the Duty of Excise, and the Arrears thereof, both in London, and the several Counties of England
and Wales, his Majesty is hereby humbly desired forthwith
to issue out his Proclamation, requiring all his Subjects,
in England and Wales, that are liable to pay Excise, to
conform unto the Rules, Regulations, and Powers, whereby that Imposition hath been levied, in paying the same;
with all the Arrears not pardoned by the Act of General
Pardon, Indemnity, and Oblivion; for Satisfaction of the
great Payments charged thereupon: And that the Justices
of Peace of the respective Counties, for Removal of the
said Obstructions, do vigorously proceed in putting such
of the Rules and Powers as are under their Cognizance,
That the Lords Concurrence be desired herein: And
that Colonel Birch carry it to the Lords, and desire their
Lordships to take Order for presenting the same to his
Supply by Assessment.
Sir Henage Finch reports a Bill for an Assessment of
Seventy thousand Pounds for One Month, beginning
from the 29th of September 1660: Which was this Day
read the First and Second time.
Resolved, That the Proviso in the last Folio of the said
Bill be omitted.
Resolved, That in the 2d Folio, Line 2d, after the
Word "Commissioners" insert these Words, viz. "other
than such as are disabled by the Act of General Pardon
Resolved, That in the 1st Folio, Line 13, next after
the Word "Tenures," these Words, viz. "and the Use
of the Court of Wards, "be inserted.
Resolved, That this Bill be committed to a Grand
Committee of the whole House.
Resolved, That Mr. Speaker do leave the Chair.
Mr. Speaker left the Chair.
Mr. Serjeant Glyn took the Chair.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.
Mr. Serjeant Glyn reports from the said Grand Committee, Amendments to the said Bill for an Assessment
of Seventy thousand Pounds for a Month: Which were
twice read; and, upon the Question, agreed unto.
Resolved, That this Bill be ingrossed.
Conference on disbanding the Army.
Mr. Holles reports the Conference had with the Lords
"That the Lord Chancellor was pleased to tell us,
that the Lords had desired that Conference about the
Bill sent up for disbanding the Army. He took notice of
what was said of that Bill; that it was an acceptable Bill:
And he said, the House of Peers could not but so look
upon it: Therefore it had been twice read before them;
and stood committed; and no Alterations or Amendments
yet in it: But they had made some Observations upon it,
which they thought fit to communicate to you; and to
desire Satisfaction from you therein.
"The Observations were Four:
1. "That this Bill respects only the Issuing of Monies
for disbanding of the Army; whereas the Poll Bill was
designed to Two Uses; disbanding of the Army, and
disburthening the Kingdom of the great Debt of the
Navy. He told us, the Charge of the Navy is great;-
Forty thousand Pounds a Month;-and (he desired us to
observe it) it was not a Navy of the King's setting forth:
Had it been so, the King would have taken care to provide for it: But his Majesty found the Charge;-made
it not. He told us, Twenty-five Ships lay in Harbour,
at a useless Charge amounting to Fifteen thousand Pounds
a Month: And that the Inconveniences was not only
the Uselessness of the Charge, but another Inconvenience
followed; the Seamen lie idle, and by that means become
unserviceable: And he told us, Sixscore thousand Pounds
would cut off that Charge."
2. "He observed, you have provided but a Fortnight's
Pay for Support of the Army till they be disbanded:
And his Lordship offered to us, that if they should not
be all disbanded within the time intended, but that a Necessity should fall out, of keeping them up longer than
that Fortnight; their Lordships saw not what Provision
was made for that Part that should remain undisbanded
after the Fortnight: And This they desire you to take
into Consideration: And he minded us what the King
besought us, (that was his Expression) that the Soldiers
might not lie upon Free Quarter; and, if they be not
paid, there will be a Necessity of that."
3. "He observed, that Two Hospitals are full of
maimed Soldiers; and that some Care will be necessary
to be taken for Discharge of them."
"The 4th Observation was concerning Ireland; that
Part of the Army there is to be disbanded; besides the
constant Charge that is to be kept up there for the Defence of the Country: And they desire you to take that
into Consideration: And, in the mean time, they will
go on with the Bill."
"He added, You might be mistaken as to the Proceed of the Poll Bill. The former Poll Bill fell short of
what was expected, and, haply, it may be so in this."