Monday, September 10th, 1660.
Prayers.
Disbanding the Army, &c.
A MESSAGE from the Lords, by Dr. Hobart and
* *, Masters of Chancery;
Mr. Speaker, The Lords desire the Concurrence of
this House, to the Act for disbanding of the Army; with
some Amendments:
They likewise commanded me to return the Bill for the
Seventy thousand Pounds:
I am commanded likewise to acquaint you, that they
have, according to the Desire of the Commons, sent a
noble Peer to his Majesty, to desire his Majesty's Leave
for the Houses sitting a Day longer: To which his Majesty consents; and hath further signified, that he will be
in Person To-morrow, in the House of Peers; to give his
Royal Assent to the Acts that shall be prepared.
The Amendments, sent from the Lords, to the Act for
disbanding of the Army and Garisons of this Kingdom,
were read; and after read in Parts.
The 1st Amendment, 1 Skin, 3d Line, read; instead of
the Word "where," read "were;" which was agreed.
The 2d Amendment, viz. 1st Skin, between the 13th
and 14th Lines, add these Words "his Royal Highness
the Duke of Yorke, the Duke of Albemarle, the Lord
Great Chamberlain, the Lord Steward, the Earl of Leicester, and the Lord Roberts," was read; and, on the
Question, agreed unto.
The next Amendment, 1st Skin, 15 Line, after the
Word "them," and before the Word "shall," put in
these Words "whereof one of the Commissioners named
by the House of Lords, and one of the Commissioners
named by the House of Commons, to be two," was read;
and, on the Question, agreed unto.
The next Amendment, between the 22th and 23th
Line, after the Word "them," in the 22th Line, and
before the Word "and," in the 23th Line, add "as
aforesaid," was read; and agreed unto.
The next Amendment, viz. in the last Line of the
First Instruction, after the Word "disbanded," add
these Words "yet so as the Regiments and Companies
that lie in fortified Garisons be not disbanded, till their
Royal Highnesses, the Duke of Yorke, and the Duke of
Gloucester's Regiments, and the Duke of Albemarle's
Regiments, be first disbanded," was read; and committed
to Colonel King, Mr. Boscawen, Colonel Birch, Mr.
Swinfin, Mr. Serjeant Hales, Sir Henage Finch, Sir George
Downing, Mr. Bampfeild, Mr. Holles, Mr. Annesley, Sir
Anthony Ashley Cooper, Colonel Morley: Who are forthwith to withdraw, and word the same according to the
Sense of this House on the present Debate.
The next Amendment, in the 10th Line of the Second
Instruction, after the Word "due," and before the Word
"before," add the Words "and payable," was read;
and, on the Question, agreed unto.
The next Amendment, in the Interlineation of the
Third Instruction, after the Word "their," and before
the Word "Highnesses," insert the Word "Royal:"
was read; and agreed unto.
The next Amendment, at the End of the Third Instruction, add these Words, "of the Field Army,"
was read:
Ordered, That this Amendment be committed to the
same Committee as the former Amendment.
The next Amendment, in the Fourth Instruction,
2d and 3d Lines, after the Word "Speed," leave out
the Words "dismantled, and the Soldiers in them,"
was read:
Resolved, That the said Amendment be referred to the
same Committee, to word it upon the present Debate.
The next Amendment, 7 Instruction, 6th Line, after
the Word "them," and before the Word "shall," read
"as aforesaid;"
The like, 8 Line; the like 8th Instruction, 10th Line;
the like, 12th Line; the like, 14th Line; the like, 9th
Instruction, 16 Line; were read; and, on several
Questions, agreed unto.
The next Amendment, viz. in the 14th Instruction,
2d Line, after the Word "Army," and before the
Words "shall be," put in these Words, "or keeping
of them from free Quarter, till they shall be disbanded;"
was read:
Resolved, That this House doth adhere to this Part
of the Instruction, as it first went from this House to
the Lords.
The next Amendment, viz. at the End of the 14th
Instruction, add these Words, "except only a Fourth
Part of the Money to be raised by the Poll Bill; which
shall be employed to the paying off of the Five-andtwenty Ships, come in from Sea; and, after, for paying
of such other Ships as the Sum will further extend unto;"
was read; and, on the Question, agreed unto.
The next Amendment, 16 Instruction, 1st Line, 7th
Line, 8th Line; 17th Instruction, 2d Line; 18 Instruction, 1 Line; after the Word "them," add "as
aforesaid;" were read; and, on the Question, agreed
unto.
The next Amendment, 18th Instruction, 2d Line,
after the Word "Sheriffs," and before the Word "in,"
in the Third Line, leave out the Words "Members of
the House of Commons and Justices of Peace;" and instead thereof, read "and all other his Majesty's
Officers;" was read; and, on the Question, agreed unto.
The next Amendments, 19 Instruction, 6 Line, after
the Word "them," and before the Word "are;" and,
12th Line, after the Word, "them," and before the
Word "shall;" put in "as aforesaid;" were read and
agreed unto.
A Proviso sent from the Lords, and affixed to the Instruction, was read the First and Second time; viz.
"Provided always, and it is hereby further Enacted,
by the Authority aforesaid, That in case it shall appear
unto the said Commissioners, or any Three or more of
them as aforesaid, either by * * * *:"
And, on the Question put, To agree to the said Provisoes;
It passed in the Negative.
Colonel Birch reports additional Rules, Orders, and
Instructions, referring to the Act for the speedy disbanding
of the Army, and Garisons of this Kingdom, in relation
to that Part of the Poll Money which is applicable to
the Navy: Which were read; and committed to the
same Committee; to be by them considered of; and
their Opinion reported to the House.
Usurped Grants.
A Bill, sent from the Lords, for preventing Inconveniences which may arise by reason of Patents or Grants
made, or pretended to be made, during the late Troubles,
was read the First time.
Resolved, That this Bill be now read the Second
time.
The said Bill was accordingly read the Second time:
and committed to Sir Henage Finch, Sir Anthony Irby,
Sir Tho. Meeres, Mr. Pryn, Sir Wm. Wheeler, Mr.
Holles, Mr. Rigby, Sir Lancelot Lake, Mr. Annesley,
Serjeant Hales, Mr. Yong, Colonel Gerrard, Sir Edm.
Bowyer, Sir Solomon Swale, Sir John Temple, Colonel
Harley, Lord Angier, Mr. Merick, Sir Wm. Hickman,
Dr. Cleyton, Sir John Lowther, Sir John Pelham, Mr.
Charlton, Mr. Clifford, Colonel West, Mr. Harris, Sir
Gilbert Gerrard, Colonel Windham, Mr. Knightley, Mr.
Bunckley, Sir Rich. Browne, Sir Geo. Saville: And they
are to meet, in the Speaker's Chamber, this Afternoon,
betwixt the Rising and Sitting of the House.
Disbanding the Army.
Sir Henage Finch reports Amendments to the Bill for
raising Sevenscore thousand Pounds, for the complete
disbanding of the whole Army; and paying off some Part
of the Navy: Which were read by him in his Place;
and were after read by the Clerk the First and Second
time; and agreed unto.
Resolved, That the Bill, with these Amendments, be
ingrossed.
Message to Lords.
Ordered, That a Message be sent to the Lords, to
desire that the Lords will sit this Afternoon; for that
there will be Bills of great Importance ready for them
by Four of Clock.
That Sir John Potts do deliver this Message to the
Lords: And to put the Lords in Mind of the Ministers
Bill; and of the Bill for confirming of College Leases:
And to carry with him the Order for the Proclamation
about Excise.
Sir John Potts brings Answer from the Lords; that
the Lords will sit this Afternoon; that they have made
what Dispatches they can of the said Bills: that they
consent to the Order for issuing of a Proclamation
touching the Excise.
Usurped Grants.
A Bill for preventing Inconveniences which may arise,
by reason of Patents or Grants made, or pretended to
be made, during the late Troubles, was this Day read the
Second time; and, upon the Question, committed.
Disbanded Troopers.
Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee appointed to withdraw, to consider of an Instruction
touching Satisfaction to be given to Troopers disbanded,
for their Pistols and Fire Arms, and that thereupon they
deliver up their Pistols and Fire Arms.
Excise and Customs.
Sir Henage Finch reports from the Grand Committee,
Amendments to the Bill giving further Power to the
Commissioners of Excise and Customs: Which were
twice read; and, upon the Question, agreed unto.
Ordered, That this Bill, so amended, be ingrossed.
Restoring Lane.
A Message from the Lords, by * * * *, Masters of
Chancery;
Mr. Speaker, the Lords have sent you down a Bill
for restoring of Sir George Lane Knight, to his Manors,
and Lands in Ireland; to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.
Protestants of Piedmont, &c.
Mr. Holles reports a Proviso tendered to the Bill for
securing of Five thousand Pounds, due to the poor
Protestants in Piedmont; giving Power to Mr. Noell,
and the Executors of Alderman Temms, to take their
Remedy against each other, either in Law or Equity:
Which was read the First and Second time; and, upon
the Question, agreed unto:
And the said Act, being put to the Question, passed.
Resolved, That this be the Title of this Bill; viz. An
Act for the levying of certain Monies, due upon the
Collections for the Protestants of Piedmont.
Soldiers to exercise Trades.
A Bill for enabling the Soldiers of the Army, now to
be disbanded, to exercise Trades, was this Day read the
Third time; and, upon the Question, passed.
Resolved, That the Title thereof be, an Act for enabling the Soldiers of the Army, now to be disbanded,
to exercise Trades.
That the Lord Howard do carry up this Bill to the
Lords.
Dunkirke.
Ordered, That the Amendments to the Bill for Dunkirke, be taken up the first Business in the Afternoon.
The House adjourns itself, till Three of Clock in
the Afternoon.
Post Meridiem.
Privilege- a Person discharged.
ORDERED, That Mr. Saunderson, now in the
Custody of the Serjeant at Arms attending this House,
be and is hereby discharged of his Imprisonment.
Dunkirke.
The House resumed the Debate upon the Amendments to the Bill for an Establishment for the Garison
of Dunkirke: Which Amendments were read; and,
upon the Question, agreed unto.
Ordered, That the said Bill, so amended, be ingrossed.
Restoring Lane.
A Bill, ingrossed, sent down by the Lords, for settling
of Sir George Lane in Possession of his Manors and
Lands, was this Day read the First time.
Disbanding the Army.
A Bill for supplying certain Defects in an Act intituled,
An Act for speedy Provision of Money for disbanding
and paying off the Forces of this Kingdom, both by
Sea and Land, was this Day read the First and Second
time; and, upon the Question, committed to Serjeant
Hales, Mr. Bampfeild, Mr. Holles, Mr. Harris, Sir Wm.
Wheeler, Sir Tho. Meeres, Mr. Yong, Mr. Annesley,
Sir Tho. Lee, Sir Henage Finch, Mr. Pryn, Colonel West,
Sir Ralph Knight, Mr. Charlton, Dr. Cleyton: And
they are to meet To-morrow Morning in the Speaker's
Chamber.
Settling Ministers.
A Message from the Lords, by Dr. Bennet and * *,
Masters of Chancery;
Mr. Speaker, The Lords have commanded us to return a Bill unto you, for the Settlement of Ministers;
whereunto they have made divers Amendments; to
which they desire your Concurrence.
Disbanding the Army.
An ingrossed Bill for raising Sevenscore thousand
Pounds, for the complete disbanding of the whole Army,
and paying off some Part of the Navy; was this Day
read the Third time; and, upon the Question, passed.
Resolved, That the Title of this Bill be, an Act for
raising Sevenscore thousand Pounds, for the complete
disbanding of the whole Army, and paying off some
Part of the Navy.
Ordered, That this Bill be sent to the Lords.
Customs.
A Bill to prevent Frauds and Concealments of his
Majesty's Customs and Subsidies, was this Day read
the Third time; and, upon the Question, passed.
Resolved, That the Title of this Bill be, An Act to
prevent Frauds and Concealments of his Majesty's
Customs and Subsidies.
That this Bill be sent to the Lords.
Soldiers to exercise Trades.
Mr. Hollis did carry to the Lords, the Bill concerning
Soldiers exercising of Trades; the Bill concerning the
Money due on the Collection for the Protestants of
Piedmont; the Bill for raising Sevenscore thousand
Pounds; and the Bill for preventing Frauds in his
Majesty's Customs.
Settling Ministers.
The House took up the Debate upon the Amendments, sent from the Lords, to the Bill for settling of
Ministers: Which were read, and are as followeth:
1st Skin, 5th Line, after the Word "Majesty," add
these Words, "with the Advice and Consent of."
7th Line, after the Word "by," leave out all the
Words to "before," in the 8th Line; and, instead thereof,
insert these Words, "any Ecclesiastical Persons."
11th Line, after the Words "placed in," put out
the Word "or;" and, instead thereof, put in the Word
"and."
21st Line, after the Word "Wardship," put out the
Word "Lapse."
21st Line, after the Word "Title," add these Words,
"other than by Lapse;" and leave out all unto the
Words "other than," in the 23d Line.
Line 31st, after the Word "Majesty," put in these
Words, "and against;" and after the Word "Successors," leave out all to the Word "saving," in the 33d
Line.
Line 33d, after the Word "the," leave out the Word
"Patrons," and insert these Words, "King's Majesty,
his Heirs and Successors."
Settling Ministers.
Line 48th, after the Word "Promotion," put out the
Words following till the Word "which," in the 52d Line,
2d Skin, Line 13th, after the Word "whatsoever," put
out all the Words, to the Word "and," in the 34 Line.
52 Line, instead of these Words, "First of October,"
put in these Words, "25 December."
60 Line, after the Word "aforesaid," add these
Words, "or to any ejected, or sequestered Minister,
who hath been beyond Sea, since the said First of January 1642, who hath therefore had no Order nor
Agreement for his Fifths."
3d Skin, Line 3, after the Word "Agreements,"
put in these Words, "or to any who were beyond Seas."
7th Line, after the Word "Agreement," put in these
Words "or to such Persons as have been beyond Sea."
9 Line, after the Word "been," add these Words,
"or to be."
11 Line, after the Word "same," put out all to the
Word "and," in the 23 Line.
37 Line, after the Word "thereof," put out all to the
Word "which," in the 41 Line.
56 Line, after the Word "Precincts," put out all till
the Words "or any," in the 58 Line.
4th Skin, Line 1, after the Word "next," put out
all to the Word "and," in the 4th Line.
Line 6th, after the Word "them," put out all to the
Words "shall be," in the 8th Line.
5th Skin, 3 Line, after the Word "who," instead of
"having" read "have;" and after the Word "been,"
read "and shall be."
6 Line, after the Words "and the," leave out "26th of
August;" and read, instead thereof, "9th of September."
6 Line, after the Word "Year," leave out all to the
Word "but," in the 9th Line.
10 Line, after the Word "presented," and before
the Word "by," leave out the Words "and declared;"
and after the Word "Majesty," and before the Word
"shall," put in the Words "as aforesaid."
6 Skin, 3 Line, after the Word "remain," leave
out the Words "as formerly," and put in these Words,
"and be for ever."
7 Line, after the Word "remain," leave out the
Words "as formerly," and put in these Words, "and
be for ever."
10th Line, after the Word "remain," leave out the
Words "as formerly," and put in these Words, "and
be for ever."
14 Line, after the Word "remain," leave out the
Words "as formerly," and put in these Words, "and
be for ever."
The First Clause, the 1, 2, 3, and 4 Line, to the
Word "Chaplains," in the Proviso sent down from the
Lords, is agreed unto:
The Question being put, To agree to the rest of the
Proviso;
It passed with the Negative.
* * * *
The said Amendments were again read, with the Coherence.
The 1st, 2d, and 3d Amendments were read; and,
upon the Question, agreed unto.
The 4th Amendment was read;
Resolved, That this House doth adhere to that Part
of the Bill, as it went first from this House.
The 5th Amendment was read:
Resolved, That this House doth adhere to that Part
of the Bill, as it went first from this House.
The 6th Amendment was read:
Resolved, That this House doth adhere to that Part
of the Bill, as it went first from this House.
The 7th Amendment was read; and, upon the Question, agreed unto.
The 8th Amendment was read:
Resolved, That this House doth adhere to that Part
of the Bill, as it went first from this House.
The 9th Amendment was read:
Resolved, That this House doth adhere to that Part
of the Bill, as it went first from this House.
The 10th Amendment was read:
And the Question being put, To agree to this Amendment;
The House was divided.
The Yeas went forth.
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Lord Herbert, |
Tellers for the Yeas: |
79. |
| Sir John Talbot, |
With the Yeas, |
| Mr. Holles, |
Tellers for the Noes: |
80. |
| Sir Anth. Ashley Cooper, |
With the Noes, |
So it passed with the Negative.
The 11th Amendment was read:
Resolved, That this House doth adhere to that Part of
the Bill, as it went first from this House.
The 12th Amendment was read; and, upon the
Question, agreed unto.
The 13th Amendment was read:
Resolved, That this House doth adhere to that Part of
the Bill, as it went first from this House.
The 14th Amendment was read:
Resolved, That this House doth adhere to that Part of
the Bill, as it went from this House.
The 15th Amendment was read:
Resolved, That this House doth adhere to that Part of
the Bill, as it went first from this House.-
Message for Lords to sit.
Ordered, That Mr. Bunckley do desire the Lords to sit
awhile; for that the House will speedily be ready for a
Conference upon the Bill for settling of Ministers.-
Settling Ministers.
The 16th Amendment was read; and, upon the Question, agreed unto.
The 17th Amendment was read:
Resolved, That this House doth adhere to that Part
of the Bill, as it went first from this House.
The 18th Amendment was read:
Resolved, That this House doth adhere to that Part of
the Bill, as it went first from this House.
The 19th Amendment was read:
The Question being put, To agree to this Amendment;
It passed with the Negative.-
Lords sit.
Mr. Bulkley reports, that the Lords do agree to sit a while.
Settling Ministers.
The 20th Amendment was read:
Resolved, That this House doth adhere to that Part of
the Bill, as it went first from this House.
The 21st Amendment was read:
Resolved, That this House doth adhere to that Part
of the Bill, as it went first from this House.
The 22d Amendment was read:
Resolved, That this House doth adhere to that Part
of the Bill, as it went first from this House.
The 23d Amendment was read:
Resolved, That this House doth adhere to that Part
of the Bill, as it went first from this House.
The 24th Amendment was read:
And the Question being put, To agree to this Amendment;
It passed with the Negative.
The 25th Amendment was read:
Resolved, That this House doth adhere to that Part
of the Bill, as it went first from this House.
The 26th Amendment was read:
Resolved, That this House doth adhere to that Part
of the Bill, as it went first from this House.
The 27th Amendment was read:
Resolved, That this House doth adhere to that Part of
the Bill, as it went first from this House.
The 1st Paragraph of the Proviso sent down by the
Lords, was read; and, upon the Question, agreed unto.
The next Paragraph in the said Proviso was read;
And the Question being put, To agree to this Proviso;
It passed in the Negative.
Resolved, That Sir Richard Temple do desire a present
Conference with the Lords, upon the Bill for settling of
Ministers.
Sir Richard Temple brings Answer, that the Lords do
agree to a present Conference, as is desired.
Ordered, That Mr. Swinfen, Mr. Holles, Sir Henage
Finch, Mr. Pryn, Mr. Bulkeley, Serjeant Hales, Sir George
Booth, Sir Anthony Ashley Cooper, Colonel King, Mr.
Charlton, Mr. Bampfeild, Mr. Annesley, Dr. Cleyton,
Mr. Yong, Mr. Crew, Colonel Harley, be the Committee to manage the Conference with the Lords upon
the Amendments to the Bill for settling Ministers.
Disbanding the Army.
Colonel Birch reports from the Committee to whom
the Amendments, sent down from the Lords, to the Bill
for disbanding the Army, was referred, some Amendments to the said Amendments: Which were twice read;
and, upon the Question, agreed unto.
Colonel Birch also reports an Instruction, touching paying the Troopers for the Holsters, Pistols, and Carbines:
Which was read; and, upon the Question, laid aside.
Mr. Annesley reports an Instruction, giving to the
Commissioners for this House, for disbanding the Army,
One Peny in the Pound: Which was read; and, upon
the Question, agreed unto.
Riding armed.
Ordered, That the Members of this House, of the
King's Council, do desire his Majesty to issue forth a
Proclamation, for putting the Acts against riding armed,
in effectual Execution.
Restoring Lane.
A Bill, ingrossed, sent down from the Lords, for restoring of Sir George Lane Knight to the Possession of
the Manor of Rathclyne, and Lysduffe, and other Lands
in Ireland, was read the Second and Third time; and,
upon the Question, passed.
Ordered, That the Lord Angier carry this Bill to the
Lords.
Disbanding Army.
A Message from the Lords, by Dr. * * * *, Masters
of Chancery;
Mr. Speaker, the Lords have commanded us to bring
down this Bill to you again; which is, for the raising of
Sevenscore thousand Pounds for the complete disbanding
of the Army, and Part of the Navy; and to let this
honourable House know, they have concurred with you
therein.