House of Commons Journal Volume 8
12 September 1660


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Wednesday, September 12th, 1660.


Disbanding the Army.

A Bill, ingrossed, for supplying the Defects in an Act intituled, An Act for speedy Provision of Money for Disbanding and Paying off the Forces of this Kingdom, both by Land and Sea, was this Day read the Third time.

Resolved, That the Words "County of," be inserted in the 23th Line, betwixt the Word "said," and the Word "City."

The Question being put, That the Penalty of Five Pounds be left out of the Clause, for making Default of delivering in a true and perfect List of their Family;

The House was divided.

The Yeas went forth.

Mr. Bampfeild, Tellers for the Yeas: 58.
Colonel King, With the Yeas,
Mr. Annesley, Tellers for the Noes: 60.
Mr. Aungier, With the Noes,

So it passed with the Negative.

Resolved, That these Words, "he or she," be inserted in the 15 Line, betwixt the Word "named," and the Word "shall."

Resolved, That the Words "Counties and," be inserted in the 55th Line, before the Word "Places."

And the Bill, so amended, being put to the Question, passed.

Resolved, That this be the Title to the Bill; viz. An Act for supplying and explaining certain Defects in an Act intituled, An Act for the speedy Provision of Money for Disbanding and Paying of the Forces of this Kingdom, both by Land and Sea.

Ordered, That Mr. Holles carry this Bill to the Lords: And he is to put the Lords in mind of the Bill concerning Piedmont Money.

Purchases of Public Lands.

Sir Henage Finch reports the Draught of an Order about moving his Majesty, to issue a Commission touching Sales, upon the Debate Yesterday had in this House: Which was read; and, upon the Question, agreed unto; being as followeth;

Whereas the Business of Sales of Bishops, Deans and Chapters, and other Lands, which is under the Consideration of Parliament, cannot, by reason of the sudden Recess of both Houses, receive Accomplishment, till the Parliament shall meet again: For the more effectual Dispatch and Settlement thereof, to the Satisfaction of Parties concerned, whether as Purchasers, ancient Tenants, or otherwise; it is Ordered, that his Majesty be desired, with all convenient Speed, to cause one Commission, or more, under the Great Seal of England, to issue to certain chosen Commissioners of both Houses, and other Persons, who may be impowered to treat with Purchasers, and such as shall have Authority, in that Behalf, from any of them, and all other Person and Persons, Bodies, Politick and Corporate, concerned in the said Sales; and to agree upon equal Terms between the Parties, if they can; or else to receive and consider of Proposals, and Heads of Agreement; and to prepare something to offer to both Houses, for the full Settlement of this Affair, at the Return of both Houses: And, in the mean while, all Persons concerned are with Patience to expect such an Issue of this Business from the Wisdom of Parliament, as may accommodate the same, and give them reasonable Satisfaction, according to the Intention of his Majesty, and both Houses of Parliament.

That the Lords Concurrence be desired: And Mr. Annesley is to carry it to the Lords.

Post Office.

Ordered, By the Commons, in Parliament assembled, That the Office of Post Master, and the Postage and Carriage of Letters, Domestick and Foreign, shall continue to be exercised by the same Persons employed therein by his Majesty, their Agents, and Servants, according to the same Rates and Rules now practised, and without the Interruption of any Person or Persons whatsoever, until the Sixth Day of November next ensuing.

The Lords Concurrence is desired herein: And Mr. Annesley is to carry it to the Lords.

Lord's Day.

Ordered, That his Majesty be humbly moved, that he will please by his Proclamation, to declare his Dislike of the Profanations of the Lord's Day; and also to command the Justices of the Peace, and all other publick Ministers of Justice, in their several Places, to do their Duties for preventing and suppressing the like Profanations for the future.

Ordered, That the Members of this House, who are of his Majesty's Privy Council, be desired to present this to his Majesty, as the humble Desire of this House.


The humble Petition of John Crundle, Servant to the Provost Marshal, and the rest of the Servants of the said Provost Marshal, was read.

Resolved, That Francis Bastard, * Bennet, and * Salter, the Knight Marshal's Men, who (as the House is informed) arrested John Crondle, one of the Servants of the Provost Marshal attending this House, at the Suit of Walter Mills, and * Flowers, be, together with the said Walter Mills, and * Flowers, sent for, in Custody, by the Serjeant at Arms attending this House.

Ordered, That it be left to Mr. Speaker, to give such Order concerning the setting of these Persons at Liberty, after the Recess of this House, as he shall see Cause.

Prisoners in Custody.

A List of Prisoners in the Custody of the Serjeant at Arms attending this House was read; viz. Colonel Courtney, Adjutant General Allen, Major Bremen, Geo. Fox, Colonel Berry, Livewell Chapman, Mr. Tillain, Robert Gressingham.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Lords, and others of his Majesty's Privy Council, to consider of the said several Persons; and to give such Order touching them, as to their Liberty, or continued Restraint, as they shall find consistent with the publick Peace: And, in the mean time, they are to remain in the Serjeant's Custody.

Post Office.

Mr. Annesley reports that he had delivered to the Lords, the Vote of the House, of this Day, concerning the Post Office; and the Lords gave Answer, that they concurred therein:

Purchase of Public Lands.

That he also delivered the other Order, concerning a Commission to treat with Persons concerned in Sales; to which they gave Answer, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Poll Bill.

A Message from the Lords, by Dr. * Bird, and Mr. Hobart, Masters of Chancery;

Mr. Speaker, The Lords have commanded us to rereturn you this explanatory and supplemental Bill for Poll Money, with some Additions and Alterations; to which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

The Amendment, sent from the Lords, to the said Bill, was read; being, Line 25, after the Word "Return," leave out all the Words unto the Word "unto," in the same Line: And it was read the Second time, with the Coherence; the Words, offered to be left out, being "unto the Lord Treasurer of England, or:" And the same was, upon the Question, agreed.

A Proviso, sent from the Lords, as an Additional, to the said Bill, was also read the First and Second time; being as followeth: "Provided, that neither this Act, nor any thing therein contained, shall extend, or be construed to extend, to any Peer or Peers of this Realm; but the said Peer or Peers shall deliver in Lists of their Families, to the Lords appointed Commissioners by the said Act; that no Peer or Peers shall be sessed, or any Levies made, or Distresses taken, upon them, or their Estates, but by Order of the said Lords appointed Commissioners by the said Act; who are, by virtue of this Act, appointed and authorized in that Behalf."

The Question being propounded, That this House doth agree with the Lords, as to the said Proviso;

The House divided.

The Yeas went forth.

Sir Anthony Cope, Tellers for the Yeas: 70.
Lord Ancram, With the Yeas,
Colonel King, Tellers for the Noes: 86.
Sir Tho. Lee, With the Noes,

And so it passed in the Negative.

Ordered, That Sir Thomas Meeres do go to the Lords, and desire a Conference with them, upon their Amendments to the Explanatory Bill touching Poll Money.

Sir Thomas Meeres reports, that he received Answer from the Lords, "that they had considered of your Message; and will give a present Meeting with this House, in the Painted Chamber:"

Ordered, That Mr. Charlton, Mr. Annesley, Sir Anth. Ashley Cooper, Sir * Howard, Mr. Bainton, Mr. Boscawen, Mr. Hollis, Mr. Boderda, Mr. Bampfeild, Mr. Hales, Sir Tho. Meeres, Mr. Prynn, Colonel Morley, be a Committee to manage the said Conference.

Bills, &c. sent to Lords.

Mr. Bampfeild brings report, that, according to the Command of the House, he did Yesterday deliver to the Lords the Bill for Ministers, as it was amended by this House: And also, the Orders for charging the Excise with Monies for the Officers attending this House: And that, as to the said Orders, their Answer was, they would return Answer by Messengers of their own.


Mr. Hide brings Report, that he had attended the Lords with the Order of Yesterday, concerning Dunkirke; and that the Lords concurred therein.

Expence of King's Reception.

Mr. Annesley reports from the Committee to whom several Matters, relating to his Majesty's Reception, were referred, that, among the Warrants charged by the said Committee on the Twenty thousand Pounds, for preparing Requisites for his Majesty's Reception, and approved by this House, the Sum of Sixty-six Pounds Eleven Shillings Eight-pence was, upon a Report to this House from the said Committee, allowed to Mr. Powney, his Majesty's Purveyor; who hath since received Satisfaction for the same another way: And that there is due to Andrew Snape, Serjeant Farrier to his Majesty, the like Sum, for Work done by him for his Majesty, since the Twenty-eighth of May last.

Ordered, That the said Sum of Sixty-six Pounds Eleven Shillings Eight-pence be transferred and paid to the said Andrew Snape; and that the said Committee do recal the former Warrant for Payment thereof to Mr. Powney, and issue their Warrant for Payment thereof to Mr. Snape accordingly.


Ordered, That Mr. Prynne do bring in, at the next Sitting of this House, the Bill for regulating of Elections of Members to serve in Parliament.

Conference on Poll Bill.

A Message from the Lords by Sir * Peirce and Dr. Bird.

Mr. Speaker, The Lords have commanded us to desire, from this honourable House, a present free Conference in the Painted Chamber, upon the Matter of the last Conference, concerning the supplemental Bill for Poll Money.

Resolved, That this House doth agree to a present Conference, as is desired.

The Messengers were called in again; and Mr. Speaker gave them this Answer;

The House have considered of your Message; and have agreed to a present free Conference.

Ordered, That the Committee appointed to manage the last Conference do manage this Conference.

Mr. Annesley reports, That they had attended the Conference with the Lords; and that their Lordships had delivered them another Proviso to the explanatory Bill for Poll Money; which, as the Lord Chancellor expressed, they hoped, would answer the Mind of this House.

The said Proviso was read the First and Second time, being as followeth:

"Provided always, That neither this Act, nor any thing therein contained, shall extend, or be construed to extend, to any Peer or Peers of this Realm; but that the Steward of any of the Peers, or some other Servant of the said Peers, shall deliver in the List of their Families to such as are appointed by this Act; and that no Peer or Peers shall be assessed otherwise, than as in the said recited Act."

Resolved, That the said Proviso be agreed unto.

Mr. Annesley is to carry back the Bill to the Lords.


Ordered, That the Monies ordered Yesterday for Dunkirke be paid to Colonel Edmond Harley, Governor of Dunkirke, upon Account: And that the Order be amended accordingly.

Mr. Annesley is to carry this to the Lords.

Officers of the House.

Ordered, That the Five hundred Pounds charged on the Excise by an Order of Yesterday, for the Clerks and Officers attending this House, be distributed amongst them by Mr. Speaker, in such Proportions as he shall judge meet.

Message from Lords-Adjournment.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir * Peirce and Dr. Bird;

Mr. Speaker, The Lords have commanded us to acquaint this House, that they have adjourned until Tomorrow at Ten of Clock; and that they do intend to desire his Majesty to be pleased to be there at that time, to give his Royal Assent to such Bills as shall then be ready.

This House adjourned itself till To-morrow at Ten of the Clock.