House of Commons Journal Volume 8
8 January 1667

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 8: 8 January 1667', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 8: 1660-1667 (1802), pp. 672-673. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=26839 Date accessed: 30 July 2014.


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Die Martis, 8 Januarii, 18 Car. IIdi.

Prayers

Outwood Common.

ORDERED, That the Committee to which the Bill touching the Common of Outwood was committed, be revived; and do sit To-morrow at Two of the Clock in the Afternoon, in the Exchequer Chamber.

Committees.

Ordered, That all Committees which were discontinued, be revived; and do sit this Afternoon, in the Places formerly appointed.

Stanley's Estate.

A Bill to enable Sir Charles Stanley to make Leases of Lands for Payment of Debts, and providing Portions for his Children, was read.

Resolved, &c. That this Bill be read the Second time on Friday next.

Leigh's Estate.

An ingrossed Bill to enable Thomas Leigh Esquire to sell Part of his Lands for Payment of his Debts, was read.

The Question being put, That the Bill do pass;

It passed in the Negative.

Read's &c. Petition.

A Petition of Wm. Read and Charles Raworth was read.

The Petitioners being called in to the Bar of this House; and the Petition shewed them; did own it to be their Petition; and that it was subscribed by them.

Ordered, That this Petition be referred to the Committee formerly appointed to consider of the Patent of the Canary Company; to examine the Matter of Fact; and report it to the House: And that the Committee be revived; and do sit To-morrow at Two of the Clock in the Afternoon, in the Place formerly appointed.

Conferences desired with Lords.

Ordered, That Sir Thomas Meres do desire a free Conference with the Lords upon the Subject Matter of the last free Conference, upon the Bill against Importing of Foreign Cattle; and also desire a Conference with the Lords upon the Subject Matter of the last Conference, upon the Bill for taking the publick Accompts: And that the Lords be desired to proceed in the Bill: And that the Persons formerly nominated do manage the Conferences.

The Question . . . ., That the Report of the Reasons for the Conference on the Bill of Accompts be now heard;

It was resolved in the Affirmative.

Publick Accompts.

Sir Thomas Meeres reports from the Committee appointed to draw up Reasons for the Conference to be had with the Lords upon the Bill for taking the publick Accompts, several Reasons, agreed by the Committee: Which he opened; and read in his Place; And the same were again read; and were as followeth; viz.

1st, That according to the right and settled Course of Parliament upon Bills, neither a Bill, nor any Part thereof, is to be communicated to his Majesty by either House, until the whole be agreed by both Houses.

2d, This Way of proceeding imposeth upon, and takes away, the Freedom of Debate and Resolution in the Houses of Parliament, and betwixt the said Houses.

3d, This Way of proceeding doth directly tend to the Destroying of the due Correspondence of the Two Houses each with the other, in Passing of Bills, and That which ought afterwards to be, from the Two Houses to his Majesty.

4th, That ... this Way of proceeding, his Majesty will give his Answer, not in the Presence of his House of Commons, according to the Course of Parliament, concerning Matters contained in Bills relating to the whole Realm.

5th, This Way of proceeding is without Precedent: And this Reason only was, by your Lordships, offered as sufficient, Why the House of Lords lately refused to agree with the Commons in Taking of the said Accompts in a Way proposed by them.

The First of the Reasons was read the Second time.

The Question being put, To approve of the First Reason;

The House was divided.

The Yeas went out.

Tellers,

Sir Robert Howard, For the Yeas, 107.
Sir Thom. Meres,
Sir John Monson, For the Noes, 82.
Sir John Pelham,

And so it was resolved in the Affirmative.

The Second Reason was read the Second time; and, upon the Question, approved of.

The Third Reason was read the Second time; and, upon the Question, approved of.

The Fourth Reason was read the Second time; and, upon the Question, approved of.

The Fifth Reason was read the Second time; and, upon the Question, approved of.

Ordered, That Mr. Solicitor General be added to the Persons appointed to manage the Conference.

Poll Bill.

The House then proceeded to the further Consideration of the Amendments, sent from the Lords, to the Poll Bill.

The Amendment to the Second Line of the Twentyfourth Skin was read the Second time; and postponed.

The Amendments to the Thirteenth Line of the Twenty-sixth Skin was read the Second time.

The Question being put, To agree with the Lords in this Amendment;

It passed in the Negative.

The Amendment to the Twenty-first Line of the Twenty-seventh Skin was read the Second time; and, on the Question, agreed to.

The Clause, sent from the Lords, to be inserted between the Twenty-sixth and Twenty-seventh Skin, was twice read.

The Question being put, To agree to the First Part of the Amendment for assessing the Lords by Commissioners to be nominated by themselves;

It passed in the Negative.

The Question being put, To agree to the latter Part of the Clause, for Commissioners to be nominated by the Lords for assessing the Servants of the King's Houshold;

It passed in the Negative.

Lord Norris' Estate.

Ordered, That Sir Wm. Lowther, Mr. Seymour, Sir Thomas Lee, Mr. Mountague, be added to the Lord Norris' Committee.

Poll Bill.

The rest of the Amendments, which were postponed, were read the Second time; and, upon the Question, severally disagreed.

Ordered, That it be referred to Sir Thomas Meres, Sir Thom. Clerges, Sir Charles Harbord, Mr. Garraway, Mr. Williams, Serjeant Charlton, Sir Thomas Gower, Sir Robert Atkins, Mr. Buscawen, Serjeant Mainard, Mr. Seymour, or any Three of them, to prepare and draw up Reasons for the Conference to be had with the Lords on the Poll Bill.

And then the House adjourned till To-morrow Morning, Eight of the Clock.