House of Lords Journal Volume 2
26 May 1610

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 2: 26 May 1610', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 2: 1578-1614 (1767-1830), pp. 600-603. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=28581 Date accessed: 28 November 2014.


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DIE Sabbati, 26 die Maii:

Archiepus. Cant.
pp. Archiepus. Ebor.
pp. Epus. London.
pp. Epus. Dunelme.
Epus. Winton.
Epus. Wigorn.
Epus. Meneven.
pp. Epus. Carliol.
Epus. Exon.
p. Epus. Sarum.
p. Epus. Bangor.
pp. Epus. Peterburgh.
p. Epus. Landaven.
Epus. Hereford.
Epus. Norwicen.
p. Epus. Bristoll.
pp. Epus. Oxon.
Epus. Assaphen.
p. Epus. Cestren.
pp. Epus. Lincolne.
Epus. Elien.
p. Epus. Glocestren.
Epus. Bathon. et Wellen.
pp. Epus. Roffen.
p. Epus. Cicestren.
p. Ds. Ellesmere, Cancellar. Angliæ.
pp. Comes Salisburiæ, Mag. Thesaur. Angliæ.
p. Comes North'ton, Ds. Custos Privati Sigilli.
Marchio Winton.
Comes Notingham, Mag. Admirall. et Senescall.
pp. Comes Suffolke, Camerarius Hospitii Regis.
p. Comes Arundell.
Comes Northumbriæ.
pp. Comes Salopp.
Comes Kanciæ.
p. Comes Derbie.
pp. Comes Wigorn.
Comes Rutland.
pp. Comes Cumbriæ.
pp. Comes Sussex.
pp. Comes Huntingdon.
Comes Bathon.
pp. Comes Southampton.
Comes Bedford.
p. Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Hertford.
Comes Lincoln.
pp. Comes Dorsett.
Comes Exon.
pp. Comes Mountgomery.
Vicecomes Mountagu.
Vicecomes Bindon.
Vicecomes Lisle.
pp. Ds. Bergevenny.
pp. Ds. Audeley.
Ds. Zouch.
p. Ds. Willoughby de Eresby.
Ds. Lawarr.
Ds. Berkeley.
Ds. Morley.
p. Ds. Stafford.
Ds. Scroope.
pp. Ds. Dudley.
Ds. Stourton.
Ds. Herbert.
pp. Ds. Darcie de Menell.
pp. Ds. Mountegle.
Ds. Sandes.
pp. Ds. Evre.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Rich.
Ds. Willughby de Parham.
pp. Ds. Sheffeild.
pp. Ds. Pagett.
Ds. Darcie de Chich.
Ds. Howard de Effingham.
pp. Ds. North.
Ds. Chandos.
Ds. Hunsdon.
pp. Ds. St. John.
p. Ds. Compton.
Ds. Norreys.
Ds. Howard de Walden.
Ds. Knollys.
pp. Ds. Wotton.
pp. Ds. Russell.
Ds. Graie.
p. Ds. Petre.
Ds. Harrington.
p. Ds. Danvers.
p. Ds. Gerrard.
Ds. Spencer.
pp. Ds. Saie.
Ds. Denny.
Ds. Stanhope.
Ds. Carew.
p. Ds. Arundell.
pp. Ds. Cavendish.
pp. Ds. Knyvett.
Ds. Clifton.

Discovering of Thieves and Punishment of Retailing Brokers, &c.

THE Bill, concerning Retailing Brokers, and Receivers of Stolen Goods, &c. was brought into the House, by the Earl of Cumb'lande, the first of the Committees, who signified, That the Committees did by him return the same, as a Bill fit in their Opinion to sleep, and be no further proceeded in.

Assurance of Sutcliffe's Portion.

Hodie 1a vice lecta est Billa, An Act for assuring of Eight Hundred and Fourscore Pounds, being the Portion and Marriage-Money of Judith Sutcliffe, Daughter of Adam Sutcliffe, Gentleman, deceased, out of such Lands as were heretofore sold for Payment of the same.

Parsonage and Parish of Frome Whitfeild united to the Parish of The Holy Trinity in Dorchester.

The Amendments upon the Bill, for assuring the Parsonage of Frome Whitfeilde, to the Borough of Dorchester, thought fit to be added, were this Day Twice read; and the Bill, with the same Amendments and Addition, appointed to be ingrossed.

Double Payment of Debts.

Hodie 1a vice lecta est Billa, An Act to avoid the double Payment of Debts.

L. Treasurer's Speech concerning Supplies to His Majesty.

The Lord Treasurer, in an eloquent Speech, remembered, That the chiefest Motive of calling this Parliament (except the Celebration of the Prince's Creation) was to derive from the Subject somewhat towards the upholding of the State of this Monarchy; wherein, the same being well understood, his Lordship doubted not but no Man would be backward: His Lordship also remembered, That the Necessity of Supply encreaseth, and Time spendeth, which notwithstanding, there hath not yet so much been gained of the Commons as to have a free Intercourse of Arguments, but only by Messages; wherefore his Lordship moved, That a speedy Conference should be desired of the Lower House, not with Hope at this Time to gain that which is wished, but to deliver to them the Convenience and Necessity of such a free Conference, which his Lordship conceived would, by this Course, be better spread and infuled into that House, than if it were carried unto them by a few thereunto appointed. He further shewed, that he understood many of the Lower House are departed, and a Limit put on them which remain, not to conclude any new Thing before the Return of the others. Yet his Lordship conceived, that there is a Power left to these which remain to debate other Matters, in which, perhaps, a Persuasion may be wrought to such a Conference as is desired.

Agreed by the Lords, That a Message shall be sent to that House, by Mr. Baron Bromley, Sir John Tyndale, and Mr. Dr. Amy: videlicet,

Message to the H. C. for a Conference.

That the Lords desire a Conference, by the Committees of this House formerly employed in the Matter of Tenures with the Committees of that House, to meet at Two of the Clock in the Afternoon, in the Painted Chamber, if it may so stand with the Convenience and Opportunity of that House.

Answer, That they have entered into Consideration of the Message, and will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

For assuring the Isle of Man.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, An Act for the assuring and establishing of the Isle of Man.

And was referred to Committees: videlicet,

L. Chancellor.
L. Archbp. of Yorke.
L. Treasurer.
E. of Woorcester.
E. of Cumb'lande.
E. of Huntingdon.
E. of South'ton.
L. Bp. of London.
L. Bp. of Durham.
L. Bp. of Carlile.
L. Bp. of Chester.
L. Willughby.
L. Dudley.
L. Darcy of Menell.
L. Mountegle.
L. Evre.
L. Sheffeilde.
L. Wootton.
L. Gerrard.
Mr. Justice Walmesley,
Mr. Justice Warberton,
Sir John Tyndale,
Mr. Dr. Amye,
To attend the Lords.

Appointed to meet on Wednesday, the 30th of this Instant May, at Two of the Clock in the Afternoon, in the Council Chamber, at the Court at Whitehall.

Abuses in Assignment of Debts to His Majesty.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, An Act against the Common Abuse of Assignments of Debts to His Majesty, towards the Satisfaction of Debts due and owing to His Highness by Accomptants, and touching Debts growing to the King by Forfeiture.

And was referred to Committees: videlicet,

L. Archbp. of Yorke.
L. Treasurer.
L. Chamberlain.
E. of Arundell.
L. Bp. of London.
L. Bp. of Durham.
L. Bp. of Carlile.
L. Bp. of Peterburgh.
L. Bp. of Lincolne.
L. Bp. of Glocester.
L. Bp. of Rochester.
L. Abergevenny.
L. Awdeley.
L. Dudley.
L. Darcy of Menell.
E. of Shrewsbury.
E. of Woorcester.
E. of Cumb'lande.
E. of South'ton.
E. of Pembrooke.
L. Mountegle.
L. Evre.
L. Sheffeilde.
L. Pagett.
L. North.
L. St. John.
L. Wooton.
L. Russell.
L. Gerrard.
L. Cavendish.
L. Knyvett.
Lord Chief Justice of England,
Lord Chief Justice of the Common Pleas,
Lord Chief Baron, and the Three other Barons of the Exchequer,
Mr. Justice Walmisley,
Mr. Justice Warberton,
Sir John Tindale,
Mr. Dr. Hone,
To attend the Lords.

Appointed to meet on Friday, the First of June, at Two of the Clock in the Afternoon, in the Council Chamber, at the Court at Whitehall.

Answer, by Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer and others: That the Knights, Citizens, and Burgesses of the Lower House, have taken Consideration of the Message sent this Day from this House, and will give the Committees of this House Meeting accordingly.

Message from the H.C. touching the Safety of the King's Person.

He also delivered, that they had likewise considered of Matter which doth concern the Safety of His Majesty's Person, for which they desire a present Meeting with this House.

Agreed, That the whole House will meet them, and then return hither again before the House be adjourned.

Commons propose to address His Majesty on several Points concerning His Safety.

Mr. Recorder, for the Lower House, at the Meeting in the Painted Chamber, declared, That that House, for the better Preservation of His Majesty's Person, hath thought good to propose unto the Lords Matters, wherein they desire that their Lordships will join with them in Petition to His Highness: videlicet,

1. That Proclamation be made forthwith, That all Recusants, before the Second of June next, do avoid the City, and resort to such Places whither by the Law they are confined, and not to remain within Ten Miles of the City or Court without Licence.

2. That all Recusants be disarmed, and their Arms disposed as the Law requireth.

3. That no Subject resort to the House of any Ambassador, to hear Mass.

4. That all Jesuits be imprisoned, and not permitted to have Conference.

5. That the Oath of Allegiance be ministred in the Court, by the Lords and others of the Council, to all that ought to receive it, and in the Country by the Justices of Peace.

Answer.

Answer, by the Committees of this House: That the Lords are resolved to make Petition to His Majesty concerning the Matter proposed; but their Lordships cannot this Morning resolve of the Course therein to be holden; but, if they will sit in the Afternoon, this House will do the like, and then resolve in that Point.

After the Lords were returned into the House, it was Agreed, That, at the Meeting with the Committees of the Lower House in the Afternoon, the Effect of the Speech shall be, to shew unto them the Difference between a free Conference and a dry Meeting, and the Fruits of the former in Likelihood to succeed: Next, to put them in Mind of their Offer heretofore made of Twenty Thousand Pounds per Annum, and to shew that therein Purveyance was not included; so as, if they desire to have that also, then must they enlarge their Sum: Lastly, that, though His Majesty's Occasions are increased since His Demand of Two Hundred Thousand Pounds per Annum, yet is His Highness pleased to fall thereof, and to wish them on the other Side to rise; whereof if they will be content to confer, we will shew them what the King is pleased to fall, and deliver the Opinion of the Committees of this House how it may be raised.

Agreed, That the Lord Treasurer shall deliver the Matter agreed on to the Committees of the Lower House; and every of the Committees of this House to have Liberty to speak as he shall think good.

Adjourn.

Dominus Cancellarius continuavit præsens Parliamentum usque in postmeridiem, hora 2a.

EODEM die Sabbati, post meridiem:

Archiepus. Cant.
p. Archiepus. Ebor.
p. Epus. London.
p. Epus. Dunelme.
Epus. Winton.
Epus. Wigorn.
Epus. Meneven.
p. Epus. Carliol.
Epus. Exon.
Epus. Sarum.
Epus. Bangor.
p. Epus. Peterburgh.
Epus. Landaven.
Epus. Hereford.
Epus. Norwicen.
Epus. Bristoll.
p. Epus. Oxon.
Epus. Assaphen.
Epus. Cestren.
p. Epus. Lincolne.
Epus. Elien.
Epus. Glocestren.
Epus. Bathon. et Wellen.
p. Epus. Roffen.
Epus. Cicestren.
Ds. Ellesmere, Cancellar. Angliæ.
p. Comes Salisburiæ, Thesaur. Angliæ.
Comes North'ton, Ds. Custos Privati Sigilli.
Marchio Winton.
Comes Notingham, Magnus Admirall. et Senescall.
p. Comes Suffolke, Camerar. Hospitii Regis.
Comes Arundell.
Comes Northumbriæ.
p. Comes Salopp.
Comes Kanciæ.
Comes Derbie.
p. Comes Wigorn.
Comes Rutland.
p. Comes Cumbriæ.
p. Comes Sussex.
p. Comes Huntingdon.
Comes Bathon.
p. Comes South'ton.
Comes Bedford.
p. Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Hertford.
Comes Lincoln.
p. Comes Dorsett.
Comes Exon.
p. Comes Mountgomery.
Vicecomes Mountagu.
Vicecomes Bindon.
Vicecomes Lisle.
p. Ds. Bergevenny.
p. Ds. Audeley.
Ds. Zouch.
Ds. Willughby de Eresby.
Ds. Lawarr.
Ds. Berkley.
Ds. Morley.
Ds. Stafford.
Ds. Scroope.
p. Ds. Dudley.
Ds. Stourton.
Ds. Herbert.
p. Ds. Darcie de Menell.
p. Ds. Mountegle.
Ds. Sandes.
p. Ds. Evre.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Rich.
Ds. Willughby de Parham.
p. Ds. Sheffeild.
p. Ds. Pagett.
Ds. Darcie de Chich.
Ds. Howard de Effingham.
p. Ds. North.
Ds. Chandos.
Ds. Hunsdon.
p. Ds. St. John.
Ds. Compton.
Ds. Norreys.
Ds. Howard de Walden.
Ds. Knollys.
p. Ds. Wotton.
p. Ds. Russell.
Ds. Graie.
Ds. Petre.
Ds. Harrington.
Ds. Danvers.
Ds. Gerrard.
Ds. Spencer.
p. Ds. Saie.
Ds. Denny.
Ds. Stanhope.
Ds. Carew.
Ds. Arundell.
Ds. Cavendish.
p. Ds. Knyvett.
Ds. Clifton.

Chief Justice of the King's Bench appointed Speaker during the Chancellor's Illness.

THE Lord Chancellor absent, by Reason of sudden Sickness, a Commission under the Great Seal of Englande, directed unto Sir Thomas Fleming, Knight, Chief Justice of the King's Bench, to supply the said Room, was shewed forth, which the Clerk by Commandment read; the Tenor following:

His Commission.

"James, by the Grace of God, King of England, Scotland, Fraunce, and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, &c. To our Trusty and Well-beloved Sir Thomas Flemynge, Knight, Chief Justice of the Pleas before Us to be holden, Greeting.

"Where Our Right Trusty and Right Well-beloved Counsellor Thomas Lord Ellesmere, Our Chancellor of England, is at this Time so visited with Sickness, that he is not able to travel to the Upper House of this Our present Parliament, holden at Westm. nor there to supply the Room and Place in the said Upper House, among the Lords Spiritual and Temporal there assembled, as to the Office of the Lord Chancellor of Englande hath been accustomed; We, minding the same Place and Room to be supplied in all Things as appertaineth, for and during every Time of his Absence, have named and appointed you, and by these Presents do constitute, name, appoint, and authorize you, from Day to Day, and Time to Time, when and so often as the said Lord Chancellor shall happen, at any Time or Times, during this present Parliament, to be absent from his accustomed Place in the said Upper House, to occupy, use, and supply the said Room and Place of the said Lord Chancellor, in the said Upper House, amongst the Lords Spiritual and Temporal there assembled, at every such Day and Time of his Absence, and then and there, at every such Time, to do and execute all such Things as the said Lord Chancellor of Englande should or might do, if he were there personally present, using and supplying the same Room; wherefore We will and command you, the said Sir Thomas Flemynge, to attend to the Doing and Execution of the Premisses with Effect: And these Our Letters Patents shall be your sufficient Warrant and Discharge for the same, in every Behalf. In Witness whereof, We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patents. Witness Ourself, at Westm. the 13th Day of February, in the Seventh Year of Our Reign of England, France, and Ireland, and of Scotland the Three and Fortieth.

Message from the H. C.

The Serjeant of the Lower House was from thence sent; to understand whether the Lords be ready, by their Committees, to meet with the Committees of that House.

Answer.

Answer given by the Gentleman Usher of this House, That the Committees of this House are ready to come to the Place appointed, whensoever the Committees of that House shall be there.

Committees appointed to deliver to His Majesty the Petition of both Houses concerning His Safety.

Agreed, That this House will make Petition as the Lower House hath propounded; and that the Lord Archbishop of Yorke do deliver the same to His Majesty; and his Lordship to be accompanied with Twenty of the Lords: videlicet,

L. Archbp. of Yorke.
L. Treasurer.
L. Privy Seal.
L. Chamberlain.
E. of Shrewsbury.
E. of Cumb'lande.
E. of South'ton.
E. of Mountgomery.
L. Bp. of London.
L. Bp. of Durham.
L. Bp. of Carlile.
L. Bp. of Lincoln.
L. Bp. of Rochester.
L. Audley.
L. Darcy of Menell.
L. Evre.
L. Sheffeild.
L. Pagett.
L. St. John.
L. Wooton.
L. Russell.

Appointed to meet on Monday, the 28th of this Instant May, between Nine and Ten of the Clock in the Forenoon, and then to attend His Majesty, according to the former Order.

Hospital, School, and Preacher in Thetford.

The Bill for Foundation of an Hospital, a Grammar School, and Maintenance of a Preacher, in the Town of Thetford, &c. was this Day brought into the House, by the Lord Privy Seal, first of the Committees, with some few Amendments; and after the Word "[Commons]," was, by Order of the House, amended in one of the said Amendments, and made "[Commonalty]," by the Clerk in the open House, the said Amendments were Twice read, and allowed, and thereupon the Bill appointed to be ingrossed.

Adjourn.

Dominus Capitalis Justiciarius adjornavit præsens Parliamentum usque in diem Mercurii, videlicet, 30m Maii, hora 9a.