Martis, 15 die Decembris; 3° Gulielmi et Mariæ.
Leave of Absence.
ORDERED, That Hen. Portman, Esquire, have
Leave to go into the Country for a Month, his
Mother being ill.
Mr. Leving, according to Order, presented to the
House a Bill to enable the Trustees of Anthony Eyre,
Esquire, to sell Lands in the County of Chester, for the
Payment of his Debts, and for the Settling of Lands in
the County of Lincolne, of as good Value, in lieu thereof.
And the same was received.
St. Anne's Westminster Church.
Sir Thomas Clarges, according to Order, presented to the
House a Bill for supplying the Defects in an Act made in
the First Year of the late King James, for enabling the
Inhabitants of the Parish of Saint Anne within the Liberty
of Westminster, to raise Money to build a Church to be the
Parish Church there. And the same was received.
The Bill was read the First time.
Ordered, That the Bill be read a Second time.
An ingrossed Bill from the Lords, intituled, An Act
to vest certain Messuages, Lands, and Tenements in Thorpe,
Langton, and elsewhere, in the County of Leicester, in
Trustees, to be sold for Payment of Debts of Richard
Roberts, Esquire, and for raising Portions for his Daughters, was read the Second time.
Resolved, That the Bill be committed to Sir Tho. Haslerig, Mr. Fenwick, Mr. Gray, Mr. Thomson, Mr. Carter,
Sir John Carew, Mr. Christie, Mr. Waller, Mr. Mitchell,
Mr. Hawtry, Mr. Biddolph, Sir Rob. Edon, Mr. Chetwyn,
Sir Rob. Davers, Mr. Palmes, Mr. Blowfeild, Mr. Slater,
Sir Tho. Darcy, Sir Rob. Cotton, Mr. Sherrard, Mr. Colt,
Mr. Travers, Mr. Freeman, Mr. Leving, Sir Willfred
Lawson, Mr. Kenyon, Mr. Cary, Sir John Cotton, Sir
John Dorrell, Sir Jos. Herne, Mr. Willmot, Mr. Foster,
Sir Tho. Mackworth, Mr. Hyde, Mr. Wyndham, Mr.
Pendarvis, Sir Wm. Strickland: And they are to meet
this Afternoon at Three of the Clock, in the Speaker's
Supply Bill; Land Tax.
A Bill for the granting to their Majesties the Sum of
Sixteen hundred Fifty-one thousand Seven hundred and
Two Pounds, upon Land, towards the carrying on a
vigorous War against France, was read the First time.
Resolved, That the Bill be read a Second time Tomorrow Morning.
Ordered, That the ingrossed Bill for registring Servants
that shall go to the Plantations, pursuant to Letters Patents granted for that Purpose, be read the Third time
Ordered, That Serjeant Trenchard, Mr. Burridge, be
added to the Committee to whom the Bill for making of
Saltpetre here in England, is committed.
Conference on intercepted Papers.
Then the Order of the Day, for a Conference with the
Lords, upon the Subject Matter of the last Conference,
Resolved, That the Persons who managed the former
Conference, do manage this Conference to be this Day
with the Lords.
And the Managers went to the Conference accordingly;
And being returned;
Colonel Granville reported, That the Managers had
attended the Conference: And that the Earl of Rochester
managed the Conference; and acquainted them, That
the Lords had taken all the Care they could in examining
the Matter relating to the Papers taken in a French Vessel; and had directed, That the Examinations, together
with their Opinion thereupon, should be communicated
to this House; and delivered the same to them: Which
Colonel Granville delivered in at the Table: Where the
same were read; and are as followeth; viz.
"24 Novembris 1691."
"The House being informed, That Sir Ralph Delavall
was at the Door, pursuant to the Order made Yesterday;
he was called in; and sworn at the Bar: And, being asked
several Questions concerning a Packet of Letters or Papers taken by Captain Gillam in a French Vessel, and sent
up by him hither; he said to the Effect following; viz."
"That Captain Gillam having taken a French Vessel,
and signifying to him, That there was Papers in it from
the Governor of Lymerick; he sent his Smack for them:
Which after he had received, and being read to him, his
Captain (who understood French, which he doth not)
told him, That they related to the carrying the People
from Lymerick: He said, the said French Captain was
sent from Ireland to Brest, to Monsieur Shaternoe: But
he not being there, he was sent back again, to find him
out, to deliver him the said Papers. Some time after,
when the Weather was a little calm, he called some Captains on board; amongst whom was the Lord Danby;
who read Part of the Papers cursorily; and said, They
concerned the Treaty in Ireland. He saith the Papers he
sent up were all he received from Captain Gillam: He
locked them up in his Closet, where he kept all his Concerns; and had but one Servant that used to go into his
Closet, and he could neither write nor read. He saith,
He never heard any one that saw the Letters or Papers
say, That there was any Copy of a Letter amongst them
from the Earl of Nottingham to himself."
"Then the French Captain, being called in, and sworn,
says, That he was sent by the Intendant from Brest,
Seventh September, New Stile, to Ireland: The Twentysecond October he went from Ireland: That the French
General Dusone sent Two Gentlemen aboard him, to
carry to Brest; where he arrived the Twenty-ninth: That
the Intendant of Brest sent him, with the Papers taken
aboard him, to deliver to Monsieur Shaterno where-ever
he could find him: That he set Sail for Brest First November; and was taken by Captain Gillam the Third:
And that he threw no Packet overboard; he having no
"Duvynage Dorde Lin."
"Die Lunæ, 14 Decembris 1691."
"Upon hearing the Fifth December instant what Captain Martyn said upon Oath; viz.
"Oct. 21. 1691.
"Wind at E. by S. blowing very hard, about Ten in the
Morning the Chester came under our Stern with a French
Prize: He called, and told us, That he had taken in that
Prize, a French Packet, directed to Monsieur Chaternoe.
It being such a great Sea, that no Boat could with Safety
be put out, Sir Ralph Delavall ordered to send our Smack
to bring the said Papers on board: Which he did, by
heaving a Lead Line on board the Chester, to which they
made fast the Packet; which the Smack, in the like manner, did heave on board us. The Paper was tied up in a
Parchment Cartridge; which was brought to Sir Ralph
Delavall as we were at Prayers. After Prayers, Sir Ralph
asked me, if I could interpret French: I answered, That
I was no Master of that Language, but that I understood
it a little. He desired me to read those Letters, and to
endeavour to let him know, What they imported: And,
after I had perused them, I told Sir Ralph, That the
Tenour of the Letter from General Ginckle to him was
"Having understood by my Lord Nottingham, That
you are to command the Squadron of Ships designed to
cruise upon the Coast of Ireland, I thought fit to acquaint you, That, by the Capitulation of the Surrender
of Lymerick, all Hostilities are to cease, both by Sea and
Land, upon that Coast of Ireland, till such time as the
French and Irish Troops that are in Ireland be transported: Wherefore, if you should meet with any French
Ships of Transport, or others, I desire that it may be observed by you; because it will tend very much to the
putting an End to the Business in Hand. The French
General hath wrote in the same manner to him, that is,
to command their Squadron upon this Coast. As I remember, one of the Copies was attested by Dursone,
Governor of Lymericke."
"The Copy of the Letter from the French General
to Monsieur Chasteau Renault, or him that commanded
the French Squadron upon the Coast of Ireland, was, to
the best of my Memory, as followeth."
"I thought fit to acquaint you, At the Surrender of
Lymerick, it was agreed with him that commanded the
English Squadron in the Shannon, That all Hostilities
should cease, by Sea as well as by Land, till such Time as
the French and Irish Troops are transported: Wherefore
I advise you, with the Ships of War under your Command, to come to an Anchor in Dingle Bay, and send
the Transport Ships into the Shannon, for the more easy
imbarking his Majesty's Troops aboard the Transport
Ships; where Transport Ships will be very safe: Or to
"And in a Postscript;"
"Sir, Since I wrote this, having understood that Dingle
Bay is dangerous, and not a safe Road for this Season of
the Year, I desire that you anchor in the Bantry Bay,
near to the Isle of Scatterowe."
"There were some other Letters from private Persons,
but of no Import."
"That is all that . . . told Sir Ralph Delavall: And
farther I know not."
And afterwards the Lord Keveton, in his Place, having
expressed himself to the Effect following; That he did
verily believe, he had seen a Copy of a Letter from the
Earl of Nottingham in the Packet taken on board the
French Vessel, as he had formerly informed this House:
Yet, acknowledging he was in great Haste when he saw
that Packet, by reason of the Badness of the Weather,
which obliged him to return on board his own Ship as
soon as possibly he could; and, considering the Worth
and Integrity of Sir Ralph Delavall, Captain Martin (who
had more Leisure than his Lordship had to consider all
the Papers that were found in the said Packet; who both
agreed in their Informations to this House, That there
was no Copy of any Letter from the Earl of Nottingham
taken in the said Packet;) his Lordship having owned,
that he believed himself mistaken in his former Affirmation; which was occasioned, as his Lordship believes,
from having seen the Earl of Nottingham's Name in the
Beginning of Monsieur Ginckle's Letter to Sir Ralph Delavall, of which there were Two or Three Copies found
in the said Packet; Their Lordships are of Opinion, upon
all the Informations they have taken of this Matter, That
there was not a Copy of any Letter from the Earl of
Nottingham to Sir Ralph Delavall taken on board the
said French Vessel.
Resolved, That this House doth agree with the Lords,
That there was not a Copy of any Letter from the Earl
of Nottingham to Sir Ralph Delavall taken on board the
said French Vessel.
Leave of Absence.
Ordered, That Sir Rich. Hart have Leave to go into
the Country for a Fortnight, for his Health.
A Message from the Lords, by Sir Miles Cooke and
Sir James Astry;
Lord Hatton's Estate.
Mr. Speaker, The Lords have agreed to the Amendments made by this House to the Bill, intituled, An Act
for settling a Fee Farm Rent of One hundred Pounds per
Annum upon the Bishop of Ely, and his Successors, to
be issuing out of Hatton Garden in the County of Middlesex, and the Messuages thereupon erected; and for settling and assuring the said Rent upon Christopher Lord
Viscount Hatton, his Heirs and Assigns for ever.
Causes in Chancery.
Also the Lords do desire, That the Bill sent down Yesterday, intituled, An Act for the better Reviewing of
Causes in Chancery, and other Courts of Equity, may be
returned; that it may be signed by the Clerk, according
to usual Form.
And then the Messengers withdrew.
Army in Ireland.
Then Sir John Guise reported, according to the Order
of the Day, from the Committee appointed to consider,
What the Charge of the Army in Ireland will be for the
Year 1692, and how far that Kingdom can contribute to
the Support of that Charge, That they had considered
the same: And that there were Two Establishments offered to the Committee for Ireland, one by a very experienced Member of the House, the other by the Paymaster of Ireland: Both which being read, and the ancient Establishments compared, there appeared to be some
Difference in Forming of the Regiments, computed at
near double the Number; which did not appear to be
so in King Charles the Second's Time; by which there
might have been about Thirty thousand Pounds lessened
of the Expence: But that many of the Committee were
of an Opinion, That that Manner of forming Regiments
was not to be approved of: And that therefore the Question was put, That the First Establishment brought in to
the Committee should be the Establishment for Ireland,
for the Year 1692: But that it was carried in the Negative. And that then the Question being put upon the
Second Establishment; the same was resolved in the Affirmative: And that That Deduction was always made
in Ireland, in the Time mentioned in the Resolution of
That then the Committee began to consider of the
General Officers, Ordnance, and Ammunition: But that
it was their Opinion, That that was not within the Order
of the Committee.
That then the Charge of the Civil List was given in at
Twenty-three thousand Pounds; But that, after several
Arguments, the same Committee came to a Resolution
concerning the same.
That the before-mentioned was the Charge that Ireland
will be at for Support of the Government and Forces in
the Year 1692.
That afterwards the Committee considered, What it
would pay towards that Charge: And, in order to That,
perused ancient Accompts of that Kingdom; and from
thence took Mediums, allowing Difference by reason of
the War, by a general Consent of the Committee: And
came to several Resolutions thereupon; viz.
Resolved, That a Deduction being made out of the Establishment delivered by Mr. Fox, of Twenty-nine Days in the Year, the said Establishment be the Establishment for Ireland, for the Year 1692: And comes to
|That the Charge of the Civil List for Ireland will be, for the Year 1692
Resolved, That the Customs inward and outward, and imported Excise of Ireland, for the Year 1692, will amount to, neat Money
|That the inland Excise, and Ale, and Wine Licences in Ireland, will, for the Year 1692, neat Money, amount to
|That the Quit Rents of Ireland, for the Year 1692, neat Money, will amount to
|That the casual Revenue, and Rents of the forfeited Lands in Ireland, for the Year 1692, neat Money, will amount to
|That the Hearth Money in Ireland, for 1692, will amount to
|That, for the Year 1692, there be applied to the paying off the Forces to remain in Ireland, of the Revenue there
|So that the several Heads, according to the several Resolutions aforesaid, amount as followeth:
|That the Revenue of Ireland, in the Whole, is the Sum of
|Out of which, taking for the Civil List
|And that the Charge being
|The said one hundred Seventy-two thousand Pounds being deducted; there remains for England to pay
Ordered, That the Consideration of the said Report
and Resolutions be referred to the Committee of the
whole House, who are to consider further of the Supplies
to be granted to their Majesties for the carrying on a
vigorous War against France.
Then the House, according to the Order of the Day,
resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House, to
consider further of the Supplies to be granted to their Majesties for the carrying on a vigorous War against France.
Mr. Speaker left the Chair.
Mr. Solicitor General took the Chair of the Committee.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.
Mr. Solicitor General reported from the said Committee, That they had made some further Progress in
the Matter to them referred: And that they had directed
him to move the House, That they may have Leave to sit
Resolved, That this House will, To-morrow Morning,
resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to
consider further of the Supplies to be granted to their
Majesties for the carrying on a vigorous War against
France, after the Committee of the whole House hath sat
upon the Bill for paying the Army according to the Musters of effective Men, and for better paying of Quarters,
and likewise for Preventing of false Musters, and for punishing Mutineers and Deserters.
Ordered, That the adjourned Debate upon the Bill for
explaining a Proviso touching Royal Mines, in the Statute made in the First Year of their Majesties Reign, intituled, An Act for Repeal of the Statute of the Fifth
Hen. IVth, against multiplying Gold and Silver, be resumed; and the King's Counsel heard upon the said Bill
upon Tuesday Morning next.
Leave of Absence.
Ordered, That Mr. Bromly have Leave to go into the
Country for Three Weeks, his Wife being ill.
Members not to be absent without Leave.
Ordered, That no Member of this House do presume
to go out of Town without Leave of the House first obtained; and the same to be moved only between the
Hours of Eleven and Two of the Clock: And that if
any of the Members do go out of Town without such
Leave, that they be sent for in Custody of the Serjeant
at Arms attending this House.
Ordered, That all Committees be adjourned.
And then the House adjourned till To-morrow
Morning, Eight a Clock.