DIE Martis, 26 die Septembris.
PRAYERS, by Mr. Salwey.
Domini præsentes fuerunt:
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Comes Manchester, Speaker.
Comes Kent.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Suffolke. |
Ds. Grey.
Ds. North.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Hunsdon. |
Gibbons, a Pass.
Ordered, That Mr. Gibbins shall have a Pass, to go
to the Isle of Wight.
Simcutt, D°.
Ordered, That Mr. Simcutt shall have a Pass, to go
into France.
Letter, &c. from the Commissioners with the King.
A Letter, with a Packet of Papers, from the Commissioners with the King, in the Isle of Wight, read; and
ordered to be sent to the House of Commons.
(Here enter.)
Letter, &c. between Gen. Cromwell and the Scots.
The Earl of Denbigh reported divers Letters and
Papers from Derby House:
A Letter from Lieutenant General Cromwell, read.
Another Letter from Lieutenant General Cromwell,
sent to the Governor of Berwick, read.
The Governor of Berwick's Answer, read.
The Lord Louden's Letter, read.
Lieutenant General Cromwell's Answer to the Lord
Louden, read.
Articles between the Two Armies in Scotland, read.
An Expostulation between the Two Armies in Scotl.
read.
Ordered, That all these Papers be sent to the
House of Commons.
Gen. Cromwell's Service approved of:
Resolved, &c.
That this House doth approve of the Actions of
Lieutenant General Cromwell, in Pursuance of the Orders he received from the Committee sitting at Derby
House; which they likewise approve of.
To assist the Scots, in Opposition to the D. of Hamilton.
Resolved, &c.
That in case those Noblemen and others, that dissented against the Invasion of the Kingdom of Engl.
by the Army under the Command of Duke Hamilton,
shall desire the Assistance of Lieutenant General Cromwell, that he be ready to afford them all seasonable Relief and Assistance.
The Concurrence of the House of Commons desired herein.
Message to the H. C. about it; and with the Letter from the King.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Doctor Bennett and Doctor Heath:
1. To communicate to them the Letter from the
King.
2. To communicate to them the Letters read and
reported this Day from the Committee of Derby House,
with the Two Votes now made, wherein their Concurrence is desired; and that the Committee at Derby
House do send the said Votes to the Lieutenant General
Cromewell, inclosed in a Letter.
Hertf. Petition, to be eased in their Taxes.
Judge Bacon acquainted the House with a Petition
delivered to him the last Assizes for the County of
Hertford, by the Grand Inquest; desiring, "to be eased
in their Taxes."
Which being read; it is Ordered, To be taken into
Consideration when the Ordinance for Continuance of
the Assessments for the Army (fn. *)
Ordinance to discharge the Excise Accompts for 1646.
The Question being put, "Whether to agree to
the Ordinance for discharging the Commissioners of the Excise, for the Year ending
29 Sept. 1646?"
It was Resolved in the Affirmative.
(Here enter it.)
Boone & al. and Ducket.
Ordered, That the Cause between Thomas Boone
and others Plaintiffs, and Christopher Duckett Defendant, upon a Writ of Error depending in this House,
shall be argued, at this Bar, on the 12th of October
next, at Ten of the Clock in the Morning; at which
Time the Parties, by their Counsel, are to attend.
Sir L. Kirk and Bishop.
Ordered, by the Lords in Parliament assembled,
That the Cause between Sir Lewis Kirke Plaintiff,
and Edmund Bishopp Defendant, upon a Writ of
Error depending in this House, shall be argued, at
this Bar, on the 12th of October next, at Ten of the
Clock in the Morning; at which Time the Parties, by
their Counsel, are to attend.
Letter from the Commissioners with the King, with the following Papers about the Treaty.
"For the Right Honourable the Speaker of the
House of Peers pro Tempore. These.
"My Lord,
"We herewith present unto your Lordship the
Business of the last Week; and this Morning your
Lordship will, amongst other Papers, receive One,
wherein His Majesty doth declare, "That nothing
that shall be put in Writing, concerning any Proposition, or Part of a Proposition, shall be binding,
prejudicial, or in any Manner made Use of, if the
Treaty break off upon any other Proposition, or
Part of any Proposition, unless it shall be otherwise
especially agreed." We also formerly sent a Declaration of His Majesty's to the like Effect. We humbly desire to know the Pleasure of the House hereupon; and shall most carefully and diligently obey
their Directions. We remain,
"My Lord,
Newport, the 25th Sept. 1648.
"Your Lordship's
"Most humble Servants,
"A. Northumberland. Pembrooke & Mount.
Salisbury.
Middlesex.
W. Say & Seale."
* * Copy of the King's Fourth Paper, in Answer to the Commissioners Second Paper, recalling of Oaths, Declarations, &c.
Newport, the 19th of September, 1648.
"CHARLES R.
"In Answer to your Paper of the 18th of September, concerning the recalling of Oaths, and
Declarations.
"His Majesty will consent to an Act of Parliament, whereby all Oaths, Declarations, and Proclamations, heretofore had, or to be had, against both
or either of the Houses of Parliament, or against any
for adhering unto them, or for doing or executing
any Office, Place, or Charge, by any Authority derived from them, and all Judgements, Indictments,
Outlawries, and Inquisitions, in any the said Causes,
and all Grants thereupon made or had, or to be
made or had, be declared null, suppressed, and forbidden; and that this be publicly intimated, in all
Parish Churches and other Places needful within His
Majesty's Dominions of England and Ireland."
* * The Commissioners Seventh Paper, insisting upon the First Part of their Paper of the 18th Instant.
"Newport, the 20th of September, 1648.
"Having considered Your Majesty's Paper of the
19th of this present September, to ours of the 18th,
concerning the recalling Oaths, Declarations, &c.;
we find that Your Majesty hath not yet given Your
Answer to an essential Part of the Proposition contained in our Paper, being the Ground upon which
the said Oaths, Declarations, &c. are desired to be
recalled, and expressed in these Words; (videlicet,)
"Whereas both Houses of Parliament have been necessitated to undertake a War in their just and lawful
Defence, and that the Kingdom of England hath entered into a solemn League and Covenant to prosecute the same:" We do therefore crave Leave to
insist upon this Part of our former Demand; having
endeavoured, by this Day's Debate with Your Majesty, to shew how necessary a Foundation Your Consent herein will be to a firm and durable Peace, and
how great an Expectation both Houses and the Kingdom have thereof: And do humbly pray, that Your
Majesty will please to consent that those Words before recited be a Part of the Act of Parliament for
recalling Oaths, Declarations, &c."
* * The King's Fifth Paper.
"Newport, the 20th of September, 1648.
"CHARLES R.
"His Majesty (fn. *) is desirous to know whether you have
any Power to consent to any Omissions or Alterations, if in the Matter of this or any other Debate
He shall give such Reasons as shall satisfy you for
any such Omission or Alteration."
* * The Commissioners Sixth Paper, in Answer to the King's Fifth Paper of the 20th of September, 1648, that they desire a Debate; but cannot shew their Instructions.
"Newport, the 20th of September, 1648.
"We are ready, by Debate, to shew how reasonable
our Desires are, and that there will be no Reason
that we should alter or recede from them: But if, in
the Matter of this or any other Debate, Your Majesty give such Reasons as shall satisfy us of any
Omissions or Alterations in the Papers we present to
Your Majesty, we shall then do therein as we are warranted by our Instructions; which we have not Power
to make known, as we have declared in a former Paper of the 18th of this Instant, delivered to Your
Majesty."
* * The King's Paper, in Answer to the Commissioners Paper of the 10th Instant.
"Newport, 21 Sept. 1648.
"CHARLES R.
"Albeit His Majesty did shew a different Opinion
from you the Commissioners in the Debate Yesterday; yet (He believes) He made His Desire of a
thorough and constant Peace very apparent to you:
For the End of all His Arguments were, how that
all His Subjects might remain, upon the Conclusion
of this Treaty, not only secure in their Lives and
Estates by Law, but also that all Cause of future
Fears and Jealousies might be taken away from them.
And because His Majesty finds very great Difficulty
to settle the Minds of all Sorts of People, He conceives that you cannot think it strange, though He
does not give a very present Answer to this your last
Paper of Yesterday's Date (received this Morning);
assuring you, that He will lose no Time in the using
His utmost Endeavours for the securing of all His
Subjects; there being nothing more in His Thoughts,
than how to give a speedy as well as happy Conclusion
to this Treaty."
* * The King's Seventh Paper, in relation to His former Paper, that nothing be binding, &c.
"CHARLES R.
"His Majesty, by His Paper of the 18th of this Instant Sept. declared, "That no Agreement put in
Writing, concerning any Proposition, or Part of a
Proposition, be binding until the Conclusion of the
whole Treaty, unless it shall be otherwise especially
agreed." His Majesty doth now further declare,
That nothing that shall be put in Writing, concerning any Proposition, or Part of a Proposition, shall
be binding, prejudicial, or in any Manner made Use
of, if the Treaty break off upon any other Proposition, or Part of any Proposition, unless it shall be
otherwise especially agreed.
* * The King's Eighth Paper, in Answer to the Commissioners Second Paper, being the First Proposition.
"Newport, the 25th of Sept. 1648."
"CHARLES R.
"In Answer to the First Proposition given to His
Majesty on Monday the 18th of this Instant Sept.
His Majesty doth consent thereto, as is desired.
"Newport, the 25th of Sept. 1648."
* * The Commissioners Eighth Paper, in Answer to the King's Seventh and Eight Papers.
"Newport, 25th of September, 1648.
"Having received Two Papers from Your Majesty, dated this 25th Instant; in the First of which
Your Majesty declares, "That nothing that shall be
put in Writing concerning any Proposition, or Part
of a Proposition, shall be binding, prejudicial, or in
any Manner made Use of, if the Treaty break off
upon any other Proposition, or Part of any Proposition, until it shall be otherwise especially agreed;"
and in the Second, in Answer to the First Proposition,
given to Your Majesty on Monday the 18th of this
Instant September, Your Majesty doth consent thereto,
as is desired: We shall transmit the said Papers,
with the other Proceedings passed in Writing on the
First Proposition, to both Houses of Parliament;
and speedily go in the Treaty, according to our Instruction."
Ordinance to discharge the Accompts of the Commissioners of Excise, to Michaelmas, 1646.
"Whereas the Receipts of divers Rates of Excise
and new Impost set and imposed by Four several
Ordinances of the Lords and Commons assembled in
Parliament; that is to say, the First of the said Ordinances commencing the Eleventh of September,
which was in the Year of our Lord God 1643, and
is commonly called the Grand Excise; the Second
of the said Ordinances bearing Date the 9th Day of
January, in the said Year 1643; the Third of the
said Ordinances bearing Date the 8th Day of July,
which was in the Year of our Lord God 1644;
and the Fourth of the said Ordinances bearing Date
the 24th Day of November, which was in the Year
of our Lord God 1645; to have Continuance for
One whole Year from the Times of the Commencement of the said Four several Ordinances respectively; have sithence, by several other Ordinances of
the said Lords and Commons, been continued in
the Hands, and under the Regulation, Order, and
Government, of the Commissioners in the said first
recited Ordinance of the 11th September, 1643,
named and appointed, and the Survivors of them,
in such Manner, and during such Time, as in and
by the several Ordinances passed for their Continuance accordingly is expressed: And whereas, by One
other Ordinance of the said Lords and Commons,
bearing Date the 4th Day of October, which was
in the Year of our Lord God 1645, it is ordered
and appointed, that all and every the Accompts of
the said Excise and new Impost should then all determine upon the 29th Day of September, 1645, and
afterwards Quarterly, upon the Four usual Feasts,
Days, or Terms of the Year, as by the last recited
Ordinance, Relation being thereunto had, more fully
may appear: And whereas, in Pursuance thereof,
the Accompts of Thomas Foote, John Kendrick, Thomas
Cullum, and Symon Edmonds, Esquires, and Aldermen
of the City of London, John Lamott and Edward
Claxton, of the same, Esquires, Chief Commissioners
and Governors as aforesaid of all and every the said
Receipts, for One whole Year, ended the 29th of
September, 1646, upon the said several Ordinances
of the 11th of September, and 9th of January, 1643,
as also upon the said Ordinance of the 8th July,
1644, and upon the aforesaid Ordinance of the 24th
November, 1645, from the Commencement thereof,
until the said 29th September, 1646, have been
duly audited, examined, and pricked over, with
the Vouchers, Entries, and Books of Accompts
thereof, in the several Offices throughout the Kingdom, by William Bond Esquire, sole Auditor of the
said Receipts in that Behalf appointed, according to
the Directions prescribed in and by several Ordinances of Parliament; which said Accompts have
been likewise presented by the said Auditor unto
the Committee of Lords and Commons for regulating the Excise, and by them considered of, examined, and allowed: Be it therefore Ordained, by
the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled,
That the said Tho. Foote, John Kendrick, Thomas
Cullum, Symon Edmonds, John Lamott, and Edward
Claxton, Chief Commissioners of Excise, and every of
them, their and every of their Heirs, Executors, and
Administrators respectively, hereby now are, and
from Time to Time, and at all Times for ever hereafter, by Authority of Parliament, shall be, saved
harmless and defended, for and concerning all and every
Act and Acts whatsoever, by them or any of them,
or by their or any of their Sub-commissioners, Deputies, or Under Officers whatsoever, by their Direction, or any of them, done or executed, in or concerning the collecting of the said Rates of Excise and
new Impost, or in or concerning the Ordering and
Governing thereof; and that the said Thomas Foote,
John Kendrick, Tho. Cullum, Symon Edmonds, John
Lamott, and Edward Claxton, and every of them,
their Heirs, Executors, and Administrators respectively, are hereby, and for ever hereafter shall be,
acquitted and discharged of and from all Receipts,
Payments, Reckonings, Accompts, Questions, and
Demands whatsoever, of, for, touching, and concerning, the said Four several Ordinances of Parliament herein first recited, for the several Terms before specified respectively, ending the 29th September, 1646: And lastly, be it Ordained, by Authority
aforesaid, That the said Thomas Foote, John Kendrick,
Thomas Cullum, Symon Edmonds, John Lamott, and
Edward Claxton, and every of them, their Heirs,
Executors, and Administrators, are, and shall be,
liable for such Sums of Money of the Debts and Surcharges set over insuper upon the Sub-commissioners
and Debtors in the said Accompt named, and for
all such other Sums of Money due for Excise, by
virtue of the said several Ordinances, until the said
29th September, 1646, before named, as already have,
or hereafter shall, come to their or any of their Hands,
and no more."
Letter from the King, for some Persons to have Passes to come to Him, from the Estates of Scotl.
"CHARLES R.
"We have, by your last of the 21th present, and
the Votes inclosed, been fully informed of the Reasons
why you have not granted any safe Conducts for the
Lord Carnagy and Sir Alexander Gibson to come out
of Scotland to attend Us here; which, until We received those Votes, We were utterly ignorant of.
Yet, seeing you have thereby granted a safe Conduct
for Sir James Carmichell, We have again sent Our
Servant Richard Parsons to attend you, to receive
and carry it with him into Scotland; for whom likewise We desire a Pass, for his Going and Returning.
And if the Committee of Our Parliament of Scotland
shall desire safe Conducts from you for Two or Three
other Persons to attend Us likewise, that may not
be liable to Exception, We are assured you will not
deny them, that so We may the more fully understand the Condition of Our Affairs in that Kingdom.
So We bid you Farewell.
"From Our Court at Newport, in the Isle of
Wight, this 25th Sept. 1648.
"For the Speaker of the House of Peers pro
Tempore; to be communicated to the Lords
and Commons of the Parliament of England
at Westm'r."
Adjourn.
House adjourned till 10a, Thursday Morning next.