House of Lords Journal Volume 10
13 October 1648

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 10: 13 October 1648', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 10: 1648-1649 (1767-1830), pp. 543-545. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=32921 Date accessed: 22 July 2014.


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DIE Veneris, 13; die Octobris.

PRAYERS, by Dr. Smyth.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Comes Manchester, Speaker.
Comes Kent.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Suffolke.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. North.
Ds. Dacres.
Ds. Maynard.

Letter, &c. from the Commissioners with the King:

A Letter from the Commissioners in the Isle of Wight, with the Papers concerning the Proposition touching Ireland, were read. (Here enter them.)

Papers concerning it.

Next, the House took into Consideration the King's final Paper concerning the Proposition touching the Church, with the Votes brought Yesterday from the House of Commons touching the same.

The Votes were read again.

And the Question being, "Whether to agree to these Votes?"

It was Resolved in the Affirmative.

(Here enter it.)

The Letter to the Commissioners was read, and Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

Message from the H. C. with Persons Names to be Judges, &c.; with an Order, &c.; to remind she Lords of Papers about the Treaty; and the Ordinance for settling the Militia.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir John D'anvers Knight, &c.; who brought up the Names of some Persons to be Judges in the Courts at Westm. and also the Names of some Persons to be called to be Serjeants, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence.

2. An Order for Mr. Andrew Crispe to continue Mayor of Berwicke. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

3. A Declaration concerning the Officers not coming to disturb the Houses, for their Arrears.

Agreed to.

4. To put their Lordships in Mind of the Votes and Letter brought up Yesterday.

5. To put their Lordships in Mind of the Ordinance concerning settling the Militia through the Kingdom.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House agrees to the Votes and the Letter to be sent to the Commissioners in the Isle of Wight; and to the Vote concerning Mr. Andrew Crispe to continue Mayor of Berwick, and to the Declaration concerning the Officers: To all the rest, their Lordships will take them into Consideration, and will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Ald. Reynaldson, Lord Mayor Elect, presented.

This Day Alderman Reynaldson, chosen by the City of London to be Lord Mayor for the Year ensuing, was presented, by the Sheriffs and Aldermen, to the Lords in Parliament, to receive Approbation of their said Choice, in the Absence of the King:

And the Common Serjeant made a Speech; setting forth, "the Privilege granted to the City of London, for choosing themselves a Mayor; and desired the Approbation of this House in their Choice of Alderman Reynaldson, now elected their Mayor, he being, in their Judgement, a Person every Way qualified."

The Company withdrew.

And the House, upon Consideration, returned them this Answer by the Speaker, being called in again; (videlicet,)

Approved of.

"The Lords have commanded me to declare unto you, That they do very well approve and confirm the Choice of Alderman Reynaldson, to be Lord Mayor of the City of London; and they are glad that a Person so fully answering the several Characters and Qualifications required in him hath that eminent Stamp of Honour and Authority put upon him.

"They further command me to assure you, that their Care and Endeavours shall always be employed for the Continuance of the Safety (fn. *) and Honour of the ancient and happy Government of the City of London, which hath greatly merited, both from the Parliament and the whole Kingdom."

Armstrong, Leave to see L. Goring.

Ordered, That Archibald Armstrong shall have Liberty to go to Windsor, to speak with the Lord Goringe.

Progers, a Pass.

Ordered, That Mr. Progers, with Two Servants, shall have a Pass, to go beyond the Seas.

Ordinance for Money for the Parliament Guards.

The Ordinance for Five Thousand Pounds for the Guards that guard the Parliament, was read Twice, and committed to the Consideration of these Lords following:

Comes Kent.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Suffolke.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. North.

Any Three; to meet on Monday Morning next, at Nine a Clock.

Coggin, a Pass.

Ordered, That Mr. Coggin, with his Servant, shall have Liberty to go to the Isle of Wight, and return again.

Letter from the Commissioners with the King, with the following Papers about the Treaty.

"For the Right Honourable the Earl of Manchester, Speaker of the House of Peers pro Tempore. These. Westminster.

"My Lord,

"Since our last of the 9th of this Instant, we have received His Majesty's final Answer to our Paper delivered unto Him upon the Proposition concerning Ireland, the Copies whereof we have sent you herein inclosed. We have this Night put in a Paper upon the Proposition concerning the raising of Monies for Payment of Public Debts, &c.; and shall give your Lordship an Account of our further Proceedings, as there shall be Occasion. We rest

"Your Lordship's

"Humble and faithful Servants,

"A. Northumberland. Pembrooke & Mount.
Salisbury.
"Middlesex. W. Say & Seale."

** The Propositions of Ireland.

"Newport, the 9th of October, 1648.

"We humbly desire Your Majesty to give your Royal Assent to the Propositions ensuing, concerning Ireland:

"That an Act of Parliament be passed, to declare and make void the Cessation of Ireland, and all Treaties and Conclusions of Peace, or any Articles thereupon, with the Rebels, without Consent of both Houses of Parliament; and to settle the Prosecution of the War of Ireland in both Houses of Parliament of England, to be managed by them; and Your Majesty to assist, and to do no Act to discountenance or molest them therein.

"That the Deputy or Chief Governor or other Governors of Ireland, and the Presidents of the several Provinces of that Kingdom, be nominated by both the Houses of the Parliament of England, or, in the Intervals of Parliament, by such Committees of both Houses of Parliament as both Houses of the Parliament of England shall nominate and appoint for that Purpose; and that the Chancellor, or Lord Keeper, Lord Treasurer, Commissioners of the Great Seal or Treasury, Chancellor of the Exchequer, Secretaries of State, Master of the Rolls, Judges of both Benches, and Barons of the Exchequer, Vice-treasurer, and Treasurers at Wars, of the Kingdom of Ireland, be nominated by both Houses of the Parliament of England, to continue quamdiù se bene gesserint, and in the Intervals of Parliament by the aforementioned Committees, to be approved or disallowed by both Houses at their next Sitting; and that all Grants of Offices, Lands, Tenements, or Hereditaments, made or passed under the Great Seal of Ireland, unto any Person or Persons, Bodies Politic or Corporate, since the Cessation made in Ireland the 15th Day of September, 1643, shall be null and void; and that all Honours and Titles conferred upon any Person or Persons, in the said Kingdom of Ireland, since the said Cessation shall be null and void.

"Copia vera,

"Ro. Blackborne,
"Edm. Warcupp,
Secr. Com."

"CHARLES R.

"For a final Answer to you, to your Proposition of the 9th of October concerning Ireland;

"His Majesty doth give His Consent thereunto, as is desired; the Time or Nomination of the Deputy and other Officers being limited for Twenty Years (fn. *) the First of July, 1646.

"Newport, the 11th of October, 1648.

"Ex.

"Ro. Blackborne,
"Edm. Warcupp,
Secr. Com."

"Newport, the 11th of October, 1648.

"Having received Your Majesty's final Answer to our Paper of the 9th of October Instant, concerning Ireland; we shall transmit the same to both Houses of Parliament; and go on in the Treaty, according to our Instructions.

"Ex.

"Ro. Blackborne,
"Edm. Warcupp,
Secr. Com."

Crisp to continue Mayor of Berwick.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Mr. Andrew Crispe shall be Mayor for the Town of Berwick, for the Year ensuing."

Letter to the Commissioners with the King, with the following Votes.

"My Lords and Gentlemen,

"The Lords and Commons have received your Letter of 9 Octobr. 1648; and have perused and considered of the Papers inclosed, wherein you give them a very full Account of (fn. †) your Proceedings in the Treaty upon the Proposition presented by you to the King concerning the Church, and upon the Proposition concerning the Militia; and thereupon the Lords and Commons have passed the Resolutions inclosed, which they desire you to take Notice of and to pursue, and to acquaint His Majesty with the same. They further take Notice of your prudent and very faithful Management of these Affairs; and have commanded us to return unto you their very hearty Thanks for the same. This being all we have in Command, we remain,

23 Octobr. 1648.

"My Lords and Gentlemen,"

Votes upon the King's Answer to the Propositions concerning Religion.

"Resolved, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled,

"That this Answer of the King's, to the Proposition presented by the Commissioners to the King concerning the Church, is not satisfactory.

"Resolved, &c.

"That, after the Commissioners shall have concluded upon the Proposition that this shall find them in, that then they do press the King to a full Answer to the Proposition presented by them to Him con cerning the Church; and that they do proceed in the Treaty upon the rest of the Propositions, according to their former Instructions.

"Resolved, &c.

"That a Letter be prepared, and sent to the Commissioners, to inclose and communicate these Votes unto them, with Directions to them to acquaint the King with the same; and that, in this Letter, Notice be taken of the Commissioners very good and faithful Service; and the Thanks of the Houses returned unto them for the same."

Declaration to prevent Officers from disturbing the Houses on account of their Arrears.

"The Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, taking into Consideration the manifold Hazards and Services great Numbers of Officers employed in the several Armies have, for the Safety and Defence of the Parliament and Kingdom, in these late Wars, undergone and performed; and being very sensible of their said Services, and of the great Arrear of Pay due to them for the same; have taken into their most serious Debate many Ways and Means for future Provision for them, according to what their other weighty Affairs will give Leave: And being informed that many of the said Officers (invited thereto by Persons ill-affected to the Parliament and the Public Affairs thereof), upon Hopes of an immediate receiving of some considerable Part (at least) of their Arrears, are repairing to the Parliament, and Cities of London and Westminster: The said Lords and Commons do therefore order and declare, and it is hereby Ordered and Declared, That all and every such Officers, who have heretofore served the Parliament as aforesaid, and expect Payment of their said Arrears, shall and do, upon Publication hereof, peaceably continue in the several Counties and Places of their Abode; and that they, and every of them, do upon no Pretence whatsoever, under Penalty of losing their said Arrears, repair unto the Parliament or Cities aforesaid, to the Disturbance of both or either of the Houses, during the weighty Considerations they are upon, as well for a certain and speedy Provision for the said Officers, as for the settling of the Public Peace of the Kingdom; the said Lords and Commons intending, by the Blessing of God, with all convenient Speed to establish a Provision and Satisfaction for all the aforesaid Officers, as will witness to the World, their Affections to, and Services for, the Parliament in this great Cause are not only well accepted of, but shall also in due Time be recompenced with suitable Satisfaction to their very many and great Deservings respectively.

"Ordered, That this Declaration be forthwith printed, and sent to the Sheriffs, to be published in the several Counties."

Footnotes

* Deest in Originali.
* Sic.
Origin. our.