House of Lords Journal Volume 10
2 November 1648

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 10: 2 November 1648', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 10: 1648-1649 (1767-1830), pp. 573-574. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=32936 Date accessed: 19 September 2014.


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DIE Jovis, 2 die Novembris.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Corbett.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Kent.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Suffolke.
L. Viscount Hereford.
Ds. North.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Mountagu.
Ds. La Warr.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Berkeley.
Ds. Howard.

Heads for a Conference, about Taxes being laid by the Committee in Northumb. for Col. Fenwick's Regiment, and in other Counties of the same Nature.

The Effect of the Conference with the House of Commons upon the Particular in the Lord Greye's Letter, was read, and approved of, as followeth:

"After the reading of the Letter, then to let them know, That, upon the Consideration of the Dishonour that falls upon the Parliament by these great Pressures that lie upon the Estates of divers Lords and others in those Parts, the Lords do think fit that there be no Levies of Horse or Men, nor any Taxes laid, by any Committees in those Parts; and that the like Care be taken, that the Kingdom in general may be freed of any such Burdens, which are laid upon them by the Country Committees, and not by any Authority of Parliament."

Message to the H. C. for this Conference.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Dr. Bennett and Mr. Hakewill:

To desire a present Conference (if it may stand with their Conveniency), in the Painted Chamber, concerning some Particulars of the County of Northumb. and other Counties.

Treaty to be continued:

Ordered, That this House thinks it fit, that the Treaty with the King be continued for Fourteen Days longer; and that a Letter be sent to the Commissioners, to come to London, and afterwards to return again to the Treaty.

These Lords following were appointed to draw up Votes, according to the Sense of the House, that so they may be sent to the House of Commons for Concurrence:

Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Mulgrave.
Ds. North.

Votes for that Purpose, and for the Commissioners to come up and return.

The Earl of Lyncolne reported from the Committee these Votes following; which, being read, were approved of; (videlicet,)

"Resolved, That the Treaty be continued for Fourteen Days longer; and that, in this Time, the Houses will consider of the Propositions that came from the King, to which there is not as yet any Answer; and will consider of such other Propositions as the Houses shall think necessary for the settling of a safe and well-grounded Peace.

"Resolved, That the Commissioners of both Houses now in the Isle of Wight be written unto, that they make their speedy Repair to the Houses respectively, and demand the King's final Answer, according to the last Instructions; and afterwards to return back with the Houses Resolutions thereupon.

"Resolved, That the Commissioners do communicate these Votes to the King, and desire His Consent thereunto in Point of Time."

The Concurrence of the House of Commons to be desired herein.

Sent to the H. C.

And accordingly they were sent down to the House of Commons, by Mr. Eltonhead and, for their Concurrence.

Scott & Uxer.

Upon reading the Petition of Katherine, Wife of Edward Scott Esquire, in Answer to his Petition; desiring, the Determination of the Point of Right touching the One Hundred and Forty-five Pounds per Annum, and Arrears, that so she may be able to live:"

It is Ordered, That this House conceives the Petitioner hath a Remedy at the Law, for Recovery of her Right; and after the hath applied herself in that Way, if there be any Obstruction therein, this House, upon Information, will give such Remedy as shall be meet.

Message from the H. C. with Votes about the King's Answer to some Propositions.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir John Maynard Knight, &c.; who brought Votes concerning His Majesty's Answer touching some of the Propositions. (Here enter them.)

Read, and Agreed to.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House agrees to the Votes now brought up.

E of Lincoln and Ld. Colrayne, and Ly. Delawar.

Upon reading the Petition of the Lady La Warr; desiring, "her Lands may be put in the Hands of some Third Persons; that if her Land be not sold by February next, then that the same be put into the Hands of the Lord of Colrayne and the Earl of Lyncolne, or either of them, for to satisfy themselves:"

Hereupon the House appointed the Earl of Mulgrave and the Lord Grey to acquaint the Lord Colrayne with this Petition, and know whether he will consent unto it.

The Earl of Mulgrave and the Lord Grey reported, "That they have shewed the Lady La Warr's Petition to the Lord of Colrayne; who, upon Consideration of it with his Counsel, did express, That his Lordship was willing that this Day Fortnight might be peremptorily appointed, for the Hearing of the Cause between him and the Lady La Warr, setting aside all Excuses, unless they shall agree before the said Day."

"Which this House ordered accordingly.

Answer from the H. C.

Dr. Bennett and Mr. Hakewill return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That they will give a present Conference, as is desired: To the other Particulars, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Gregson's Petition.

Upon the Petition of Gregson:

It is Ordered, That the Party concerned shall have a Copy of the Petition, and return Answer thereunto; in the mean Time, the Rents are to remain in the Hands of the Tenants.

Ordinances to clear the following Persons of their Delinquency.

Next, these Ordinances of Compositions of Delinquents were read, and passed; (videlicet,)

1. The Ordinance of Henry Binge.

2. The Ordinance of John Hamond.

3. The Ordinance of Hugh Roberts.

4. The Ordinance of Arthur Brookes.

5. The Ordinance of Thomas Ashton.

6. The Ordinance of Sir Thomas Lucas.

7. The Ordinance of John Piggott.

8. The Ordinance of Sir Thomas Mallett, and his Son John Mallett.

9. The Ordinance of Wm. and Robert Dallison.

The House of Commons being ready for the Conference, the Lords went to the Conference.

Votes concerning the King's Answers to some Propositions.

"Resolved, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled,

"That His Majesty's Answer, contained in a Paper of the Eleventh of October, 1648, to the Proposition delivered in by the Commissioners in a Paper of the Ninth of October, 1648, concerning Ireland, is satisfactory.

"Resolved, &c.

"That the King's Answer to the Proposition concerning the Payment of the Public Debts, &c. is satisfactory.

"Resolved, &c.

"That the King's Answer to the Proposition concerning the Nomination of Officers, is not satisfactory.

"Resolved, &c.

"That the Houses do consent to the King's Answer as to the taking away of Wards and Liveries, &c.; and, in Lieu thereof, do agree that One Hundred Thousand Pounds per Annum be settled on the King, His Heirs and Successors, according to the Answer by the King to this Proposition; the same to be settled by Act of Parliament, to be raised in such Manner as shall be thought fit by both Houses of Parliament; and Provision therein made, that the same, nor any Part thereof, be aliened from the Crown."

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 10a cras.

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* Deest in Originali.