DIE Jovis, 9 die Novembris.
PRAYERS, by Mr. Warde.
Domini præsentes fuerunt:
Comes Manchester, Speaker.
Ds. La Warr.
Witchingham, a Pass.
Ordered, That Mr. Witchingham shall have a Pass,
to go to the Isle of Wight.
Ordered, That the Proceedings in the Cause of
Duppa shall be stayed in the Exchequer, until the Cause
be heard in this House.
Letter, &c. from the Commissioners.
A Letter this Day from the Commissioners in the
Isle of Wight, (fn. *) with the Papers inclosed, were read.
(Here enter them.)
Message to the H. C. about the Vote concerning the Treaty.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Mr. Eltonheade and
To put them in Mind of the Names of the Seven
Persons, Delinquents, to be excepted from Pardon;
and also of the Votes in Answer to the King's Four Propositions.
Compton to come Home.
Ordered, That Mr. Compton shall be permitted to
come out of France, into England.
Felton and Stent, a Pass.
Ordered, That Colonel Thomas Felton and Captain
John Stent shall have a Pass, to go into France, with
E. Rivers and Green.
Upon Consideration of the Petition of the Earl of
Rivers, presented to this House Yesterday, claiming his
Privilege of Parliament, against a Suit in Chancery
commenced by Mr. Greene:
It is Ordered, That the said Earl of Rivers shall
enjoy his Privilege of Parliament, as a Peer of this
Realm; and that all Proceedings in Chancery against
him shall be stayed, and no Attachment to be issued
out against him: And it is further Ordered, That if
the said Mr. Greene will exhibit his Petition to this
House, then their Lordships (fn. †) will hear the Business in
Whitchurch versus Daniel L. Craven's Servant.
Upon reading the Petition of Anthony Whitchurch;
shewing, "That he hath recovered, against Henry Daniell,
Five Hundred and odd Pounds, for Damages, who,
being in actual Arms against the Parliament, plundered the Petitioner of Goods to the Value of above
Four Hundred Pounds, for which he recovered as
aforesaid the Sum of Five Hundred and odd Pounds;
and the said Daniell, being in Execution, and so hath
been a whole Year, at the Petitioner's Suit, upon the
said Recovery or Judgement, endeavours to be discharged by this House, pretending himself to be a
menial Servant of the Lord Craven; the which if
obtained, the Petitioner is utterly ruined: Therefore
it is desired, that the said Daniell may not be discharged out of Execution, until he hath satisfied the
It is Ordered hereupon, That the Order for the
Habeas Corpus is hereby revoked; and the said Daniell
to remain in the same State and Condition he was in
before the Order of this House.
Letter from the Commissioners with the King, with the following Papers.
"For the Right Honourable the Earl of Manchester, Speaker of the House of Peers
pro Tempore. These.
"Upon Receipt of yours of the 4th Instant, we have,
according to your Directions, acquainted His Majesty with the Votes and Resolutions then sent unto
us; and have agreed amongst ourselves concerning
such of our Number that are to attend the Houses;
and by them we do send your Lordship our Proceedings upon the Proposition concerning the Church,
and other Papers; and shall pursue the Instructions
we have lately received; and give you an Account
thereof from Time to Time, as there shall be Occasion. And so we rest
Newport, 6 Nov. 1648.
Wm. Say & Seale."
** The King's Paper, declaring, that He hath not Time to make His Exceptions.
"In Answer to your Paper of the 3d of November,
delivered late last Night, wherein you desire His
Majesty to express His Exceptions to several Ordinances mentioned in your Proposition concerning
the Church: His Majesty saith, That those Ordinances being many and large, and finding that after
this Day you can receive no more Papers without
further Instructions, His Majesty conceives Himself
so limited in Time, that He cannot so suddenly give
you His particular Exceptions to the said Ordinances.
"Newport, the 4th of November, 1648.
** The King's Paper, desiring to know whether they have received any Instructions concerning his Propositions.
"His Majesty's Propositions, delivered unto you
the 17th of October, 1648, having been transmitted
by you to His Two Houses, and His Majesty having received no Answer thereunto; He desires to
know whether you have yet received any Instructions
concerning the same.
"Newport, the 4th of Nov. 1648."
"Newport, 4 Novembr. 1648.
"Whereas we, by our Paper of the Third Instant,
desired Your Majesty to express Your particular Exceptions to the Ordinances mentioned and contained
in the Proposition concerning the Church; unto
which Your Majesty, by Your Answer thereunto this
4th Instant, is pleased to say, "That those Ordinances being many and large, and that after this Day
we can receive no more Papers without further Instructions, and therefore conceive yourself so limited
in Time, that Your Majesty cannot so suddenly give
Your particular Exceptions to the said Ordinances;"
we humbly conceive, that those Ordinances having
been many Days since the Beginning of the Treaty
in Your Majesty's Hands, and under Your Majesty's
Consideration, the same cannot be new unto Your
Majesty; and therefore we again humbly desire Your
Majesty to express Your particular Exceptions to the
said Ordinances, as by our said Paper of the Third
Instant we have formerly desired.
** The King's final Answer.
"For a final Answer to you, as to your Paper of
the 4th of this Instant, whereby you do again desire His
Majesty to express His particular Exceptions to the
Ordinances mentioned in the Proposition concerning
the Church; His Majesty saith, That, by His Answer
of the 9th of October, He did express the general
Reasons why He could not consent to the several
Ordinances in the Form they are now penned; and
that He heard no more thereof until He received
your Paper late in the Evening last Night; so that,
though these Ordinances have been many Days in
His Majesty's Hands, and are not new to Him, yet,
this being the last Day wherein you by your Instructions can receive any Papers from Him, His Majesty cannot in so short Time review the several Ordinances, and state the particular Exceptions thereunto; and therefore He adheres to His former Answer therein.
"Newport, the 4th of Nov. 1648.
"Newport, 4 Novembr. 1648.
"In Answer to Your Majesty's Paper delivered in
unto us this 4th of November Instant, whereby Your
Majesty desires to know whether we have received
any Instructions concerning Your Majesty's Propositions transmitted by us to both Houses of Parliament; we humbly say, That we have not yet received any Instructions concerning the same.
** The King's last Paper, in Answer to the Business of the Church.
"For a final Answer to your Paper of the First of
this Instant, and the Votes therein mentioned concerning the Church; His Majesty saith,
"That His Concessions intended by His former Answer were larger than are expressed in that Paper,
and misapprehended in these Particulars following;
(videlicet,) He neither did nor doth intend to make
any new Bishops during the Term of Three Years,
nor in the End of Three Years that the Power of
Ordination should be practiced in the old Manner as
formerly; for that heretofore the Bishops were at
Liberty to call what Presbyters they would to assist in
Ordinations, but were not bound to their Counsel or
Consent: But His Majesty doth now intend, and will
consent, that Bishops shall not receive any into Holy
Orders without the Consent of a limited Number of
Presbyters, to be chosen in such Manner as shall be
agreed on by His Majesty and His Two Houses for
that Purpose: Neither did His Majesty intend that,
after the End of Three Years, no certain Way should
be settled concerning Ecclesiastical Discipline and Government; for that His Majesty did propose, during
the Three Years, to have a Consultation with the
Assembly of Divines, Twenty being added of His
own Nomination; which if His Two Houses shall
resolve to entertain, it cannot well be doubted but,
upon their (fn. *) Debate, such a Government will be
agreed upon by His Majesty and His Two Houses as
shall be best for the Peace of the Church, and most
proper to prevent those Distractions which His Two
Houses apprehend may ensue.
"As to that Part of the Proposition concerning the
Book of Common Prayer; for the Satisfaction of his
Two Houses, His Majesty will not insist upon any
Provision for the Continuance of the same in His
Majesty's Chapel, for Himself and His Household;
nevertheless, His Majesty declares that He intendeth
to use some other set Form of Divine Service.
"And as to that Part of the Proposition, "That
an Act or Acts be passed, for a stricter Course to
prevent the saying or hearing of Mass in the Court,
or any other Part of this Kingdom, or the Kingdom
of Ireland;" His Majesty will consent thereunto.
"As to all other Particulars in your Paper mentioned; His Majesty having in His former Answers
consented so far as possibly He can, as He stands
at present persuaded in His Judgement, doth refer
Himself thereunto: And since His Majesty, by His
Concessions, hath brought all Differences concerning the Church into so narrow a Compass, that the
chief visible Obstruction is that wherein really in
Conscience He is not satisfied, He hopes His Two
Houses will not put further Pressures of so tender a
Nature upon Him, when it is most likely that Time
and Debate will happily reconcile all these Differences.
"Newport, the 4th November, 1648.
"Newport, 4 Novembr. 1648.
"Having received Your Majesty's final Answers
to our Paper of the First of this Instant concerning
the Church, and likewise to our Paper of the 4th
of this Instant touching Your Majesty's particular
Exceptions to the Ordinances concerning the Church;
we shall communicate them to both Houses of Parliament.