DIE Veneris, 24 die Novembris.
PRAYERS, by Mr. Ash.
Domini præsentes fuerunt:
Comes Manchester, Speaker.
Message to the H. C. with Mrs. Sawyer's Petition.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Dr. Bennett and Mr. Hakewill:
To deliver to them the Petition of Sarah Sawyer,
with a special Recommendation for the Relief of the
Letter from the Commissioners, with Papers about the Treaty.
The Lord Manchester, Speaker of the House, acquainted the Lords, "That he had received a Packet
from the Commissioners in the Isle of Wight."
And thereupon the Letter and Papers were read;
The Letter signed by the Earls of Northumb'land and
Midd. dated the 22th Nov. 1648, from Newport, was
read First; and after the said Papers,
1. The King's Answer to the Commissioners Paper
of the 17th, concerning the Church, was read.
(Here enter it.)
2. The Commissioners Reply to the King's Answer
of the 18th, concerning the Church. (Here enter it.)
3. His Majesty's final Answer concerning the Church.
(Here enter it.)
4. The Commissioners Paper upon Receipt of the
King's final Answer to the Propositions concerning the
Church. (Here enter it.)
5. The Commissioners Paper, presenting the Votes
upon the King's Propositions. (Here enter it.)
6. The King's Answer, touching the Votes upon His
Four Propositions. (Here enter it.)
7. The Commissioners Paper, upon Receipt of the
King's Answer to the Votes touching His Four Propositions. (Here enter it.)
Letter from L. Fairfax.
A Letter of the Lord General to the Speaker, concerning the Earl of Holland, dated 22th Nov. 1648.
(Here enter it.)
Christ Church, Oxford, and Inhabitants of Gillsborough.
The Petition of the Dean and Prebends of Christ's
Colledge, in the University of Oxford, read.
Ordered, That the Earl of Stamford and the Lord
Mountague are desired to speak with the Dean of Ch.
Ch. Mr. Serjeant Clerke, and some of the Inhabitants of
Gillesbrough, in the County of North'ton; and mediate
an End amongst the Parties concerned and mentioned
in the said Petition.
Col. Herbert and Vaughan & al.
The Petition of Colonel Wm. Herbert, read.
Ordered, That Thomas Vaughan and other the Creditors of the Petitioner are forthwith to appear before
the Lords in Parliament, who are to be heard touching
the Matter of the said Petition; and the Earl of Stamford is desired by the House, to persuade the Petitioner
to pay the said Mr. Vaughan his just Debt forthwith.
Salkeld & al. and Wright.
The Cause between Salkeld & al. Plaintiffs, and
Wreight Defendant, came this Day to a farther Hearing,
at the Bar, by Counsel, upon a Writ of Error, wherein
was assigned only the common Error and an Error pretended in the Declaration.
And the House finding that reverÀ there was no
It is Ordered, That the Judgement in the King's
Bench is affirmed; and the Record is to be remitted,
that Execution may be taken forth according to Course,
the said Writ of Error notwithstanding.
Message from the H. C. with Ordinances and an Order.
A Message from the House of Commons, by Mr.
Nicholes and others of the said House of Commons;
(fn. *) who brought up several Particulars, whereunto they
desire the Lords Concurrence; videlicet,
An Ordinance, that Edmond Prideaux shall be His
Majesty's Solicitor General; which was read, and
passed. (Here enter it.)
An Ordinance, that Tho. Waller, of Greyes-Inn, be
Steward and Judge to the Court of Pleas of the Isle of
Ely. (Here enter it.)
Read, and passed.
Order, That the Public Faith be given to Rich. Haywood and Joseph Saxton, for Three Hundred Fifty-two
Pounds. (Here enter it.)
Read, and passed.
That the Lords have passed all brought up.
Message from the H. C. to sit a while.
A Message was afterwards brought up by Sir Rob'te
Pye and others, desiring to sit a while.
The said Messengers were again called in; and answered:
That the Lords will sit a while, according to their
Message from thence, about the Order for 3000l. for Lancashire Forces.
A Third Message was brought up from the House of
Commons, by Mr. Ashurst and others:
To put the House in Mind of an Ordinance for the
raising of Three Thousand Pounds, out of the Lord
Willoughbye's Estate, for the Relief of Lancashire Forces.
That the Lords will take their Message into Consideration, and return Answer by Messengers of their
Message from thence, with Votes for lengthening the Treaty.
A Fourth Message was brought up, by Mr. Both and
others; who desired the Lords Concurrence to some
Votes for the lengthening the Treaty till Monday Night
next; and that the Commissioners do come away on
Tuesday, with the King's final Answer, &c.
(Here enter the Votes.)
Ordinance for Prideaux to be Solicitor General.
"Be it Ordained, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Edmund Prideaux Esquire
shall be, and is hereby nominated and appointed to
be, His Majesty's Solicitor General, and shall have,
hold, and execute, the said Office or Place, and receive and take all just Fees, Profits, and Commodities
thereunto belonging, so long as he shall well demean
himself therein; and that the Clerk of the Crown
in Chancery do forthwith prepare a Bill, in usual
Form accordingly, containing a Grant of the said
Office and Premises unto the said Edmund Prideaux,
in as ample Manner as any other Person or Persons at
any Time heretofore held and enjoyed the same;
which Grant the Commissioners for the Great Seal
of England are hereby authorized and required to
pass under the said Great Seal: And be it hereby
likewise Ordained and Declared, by the said Lords
and Commons, That the said Edmund Prideaux, as
Solicitor General, shall be, and is hereby, enabled,
authorized, and required, to do and execute all and
all Manner of Acts, Matters, and Things whatsoever,
as well in all and every His Majesty's Courts of
Record as elsewhere, as amply and fully as Oliver St.
John, His Majesty's late Solicitor General, by any
Ordinance or Authority of Parliament, hath done,
or might do and execute, and also to receive and
take all like Fees and Profits received and taken by
the said Oliver St. John, His Majesty's said late Solicitor General; for all which, this present Ordinance, or a Duplicate thereof, shall be sufficient Warrant."
Ordinance for Waller to be Judge of the Court of Pleas in the Isle of Ely.
"It is this Day Ordered and Ordained, by the
Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That
Thomas Waller, of Greys Inne, in the County of Midd.
Esquire, be, and is hereby constituted and appointed,
Steward and Judge of the Court of Pleas for the Isle
of Ely, quamdiù se bene gesserit; and have and take
all Fees, Pensions, Perquisites, and Emoluments whatsoever, to the said Office any Ways of Right belonging or appertaining, in as large and ample Man
ner as any other Steward or Judge heretofore appointed by the late Bishops of Ely, or their Predecessors, or any of them, held, used, or enjoyed the
same; and that the Trustees appointed by Ordinance
of Parliament for the Sale of Bishops Lands do grant
the said Office, with the Appurtenances, to the said
Thomas Waller, as aforesaid."
Order for 352l. to Heywood and Saxton.
"Whereas Richard Heywood and Joseph Saxton, of
Alisbury, did voluntarily lend to Colonel Henry Bulstrod the Sum of Three Hundred Fifty-two Pounds,
for the Fortifications of Alisbury, and Pay of Soldiers and Gunners entertained to secure that Place
against the Enemy, upon Promise of speedy Re-payment, or the Public Faith to be procured them:
Neither of which being done; it is Ordered, by
the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled,
That the Public Faith be given them; and that the
Committee of Habberdash'rs Hall, appointed to receive the Advance for the Pay of the House Guards
now attending the Houses, do allow the same accordingly."
Letter from the Commissioners, with the following Papers about the Treaty.
"For the Right Honourable the Earl of Manchester, Speaker of the House of Peers pro
Tempore. These. Westm'r.
"We here send your Lordship the several Papers
that have passed between the King and us since our
last Writing unto your Lordship, concerning the Business of the Church, and your Resolutions upon the
King's Propositions; which being all we have to say,
Newport, 22 Nov. 1648.
"and humble Servants,
"A. Northumberland. Middlesex."
* * The King's Answer to the Commissioners Paper of the 17th, concerning the Church.
"In Answer to your Paper of the 17th Instant,
whereby you have acquainted His Majesty with the
Votes and Resolutions of both Houses of the 15th
of November Instant, and thereupon desired His full
Consent to the several Parts of the Proposition mentioned in those Votes, according to the former Desires
contained in your Paper of the 25th of September,
concerning the Church;
"His Majesty faith, That he hath well weighed and
examined His Concessions to that Proposition; and is
very sorry to find that, notwithstanding all His Care
and Endeavours to give His Two Houses Satisfaction,
manifested in Four Answers already given in to you
upon that Subject, by which He hath consented to
whatsoever He could with a good Conscience grant,
yet His Answers are still returned back unsatisfactory.
"But His Majesty, upon Perusal of your former
Papers, finds the main Dissatisfaction of His Two
Houses rests in the Matters concerning the Abolition
of Bishops, Sale of their Lands, and His Majesty's
Intention to use a Form of Divine Service in His
"As to these Particulars, His Majesty doth again
clearly prosess, That He cannot with a good Conscience consent to the total Abolition of the Function
and Power of Bishops, nor to the entire and absolute
Alienation of their Lands, as is desired; because He
is yet persuaded in His Judgement, that the former is
of Apostolical Institution, and that to take away the
latter is Sacrilege: Neither can His Majesty communicate in a Public Form of Divine Service and Administration of the Sacraments, where it is wholly
uncertain what the Minister will offer to God. And
therefore He cannot recede from His former Answers
in any of these Particulars.
"And if His Two Houses shall seriously consider,
how that His Majesty, by His former Answers, hath
totally suspended Episcopal Government for Three
Years, and, after the said Time, limited the same in
the Powers of Ordination and Jurisdiction, and that
the Primitive Office of a Bishop only is by Him endeavoured to be preserved; and that the Bishops
Lands are heavily charged with Leases for Ninetynine Years, and the Deans and Chapters and other
their Dependants are taken away; His Majesty is
confident, His Two Houses cannot think it reasonable,
in a Matter of this Nature, to offer any Violence to
the Conscience of their Sovereign; nor to suffer these
Differences, which rest in so narrow a Compass, to
hinder the Settlement of a blessed Peace in this
Kingdom. And if His Two Houses shall not think
fit to recede from the Strictness of their Demands in
these Particulars, His Majesty can with more Comfort cast Himself upon His Saviour's Goodness, to
support Him in and desend Him from all Afflictions,
how great soever, that may befall Him, than, for any
politic Consideration which may seem to be a Means
to restore Him, deprive Himself of the inward Tranquillity of a quiet Mind.
"Wherefore, as to these Particulars before mentioned, as also concerning the Articles of Religion, and what else remains in Difference
upon this Proposition, His Majesty adheres to
His former Answers; and hopes that His
Two Houses, upon a Review and further Consideration of His Reasons, will therewith rest
"Newport, 18 Nov. 1648.
"Newport, 20 Novembr. 1648.
** The Commissioners Reply to the King's Answer of the 18th, concerning the Church.
"Having perused Your Majesty's Paper of the 18th
Instant, given in as an Answer to ours of the 17th,
which contained the Votes and Resolutions of both
Houses upon some of Your Majesty's Answers to our
Desires expressed in a Paper of the 25th of September,
concerning the Church;
"We do humbly say, That the Houses of Parliament did (as formerly) return those Answers back
unsatisfactory, because there was no Concession of the
Things desired, which they had in their Judgement
concluded to be so necessary for the Good of the
whole Kingdom, both Church and State, wherein they
would not force Your Majesty's Conscience; but desire it may be informed, that so Yours agreeing with
theirs, who are Your Great Council, there might be
a Compliance throughout, and a Concurrence in
these and all other Things, for healing the Breaches,
composing the Differences, and settling a blessed
Peace, within Your Dominions: And therefore we,
in Pursuance of their Directions, have made bold to
press Your Majesty so often, both in our Papers and
Debates, and must still persist.
"As for the Particulars insisted upon:
"First, For the Abolition of Episcopacy; we take
Leave to say, it is not the Apostolical Bishop which
the Bill (desired of Your Majesty) intends to remove;
but that Episcopacy which was formerly established
by Law in this Kingdom, grown up to a Height of
outward Pomp and Greatness, and found by Experience to be a Grievance to the Subject, a Hinderance
of Piety, an Encroachment upon the Power of the
Civil Magistrate, and so a Burden to the Persons,
Purses, and Consciences, of Men. Whereupon the
Parliament, finding it to be for the Honour of Your
Majesty, and Profit of the Subject, to take it away,
desire this Bill for that Purpose, not meddling with
the Apostolical Bishop, nor determining what that
Bishop is whom the Apostles mention in Scripture,
but only to put him down by a Law who was set up
by a Law; nothing being more proper for Parliaments, than to alter, repeal, or make Laws, as Experience teaches it to be for the Good of the Commonwealth. But, admitting that Apostolical Bishop were
within the Purport of this Bill, we humbly conceive,
it doth not follow that therefore in Conscience it
must not be passed; for we may not grant that no
Occasion can make that alterable which is found to
have its Foundation only in the Practice of the
Apostles, not in a Precept. We suppose that some
Things have been altered which the Apostles practised; that Circumstances many Times change the
Nature of Moral Actions; that, for the attaining of
a great Good, or the Avoidance of a great Evil, that
which, simply considered, were not fit to be done
(perhaps a Fault if it were) may become a Duty, and
a Man be bound in Conscience to do it: And if ever
Circumstances could have a more powerful and considerable Operation than in this Particular, we humbly
leave to your Majesty's Consideration. But this is
said only by the Way; and admitting for Argument's
Sake, not granting, the Grounds upon which Your
Majesty is pleased to go, in the refusing to pass this
"Secondly, For the Sale of Bishops Lands, which
Your Majesty apprehends to be Sacrilege; we humbly
offer, that, Bishoprics being dissolved, their Lands
(as of all Corporations) naturally by the Law of the
Land revert to the Crown, which is their Founder
and Patron, and heretofore held it no Sacrilege to
dispose of Bishops Lands to its own and others Use by
Act of Parliament; which was an ordinary Practice
in Your Majesty's Predecessors, Kings and Queens
of this Nation: Besides, we might say, that in all
Ages, and even under the Ceremonial Law, eminent
and urgent Necessity (especially if public) hath dispensed with the otherwise employing of Consecrated
"Then, whereas Your Majesty is pleased to say,
"You cannot communicate in a Public Form of Divine Service where it is uncertain what the Minister
will offer to God;" we humbly beseech You to be
informed, that the Directory, which Your Majesty
hath granted to establish for Three Years, doth set
down the Matter of the Prayer which the Minister
is to observe; only Words and Expressions, and Enlargements upon the Subject, are left to his Discretion, for the Exercise of his Gifts; so as the Substance of what he is to say will be manifest unto
Your Majesty. Yet give us Leave to add further,
it can be no Objection against joining with a Minister
in Prayer, not to know before-hand the very Words
that he will say; for then one must not hear any
pray before Sermon, where every several Minister
hath a several Form, and must vary still according to
"Upon the whole Matter, we hope Your Majesty,
after a more serious Consideration, will easily discern
the just Cause which the Two Houses of Parliament
have to remain (as they do) unsatisfied; seeing Your
Suspension of Episcopal Government for Three Years
doth not meet with their Fears, nor can prevent the
Inconveniences which must necessarily follow upon
the Return of Bishops, and the Power which You reserve unto them after that Time; for First, that a
Bishop so qualified as Your Majesty expresseth shall
rise again then is wholly in Your Majesty's Choice, and
unavoidable by the Parliament; with whom, if You
will not agree before (which depends merely upon
Your Majesty's Will), no other Government can be
set up, and then this of Episcopacy returns, and that
with so great Power as the Bishop may choose if
any Ministers at all shall be made in the Church of
England, and those that shall to be at his Devotion,
he having the Negative Voice in Ordination; which
we humbly conceive the Scripture holds not forth to
have been in that Bishop who is there mentioned in
those Writings of the Apostles; and consequently
that which Your Majesty endeavours to preserve,
not to be the Primitive Office of Bishop.
"Then for the Lands, which Your Majesty alledges
to be so heavily charged with Leases for Ninety-nine
Years; we humbly say, There is a Rent which You
still are pleased to reserve to him, and the Reversions after those Years elapsed; so as the Proprietor
and Propriety still continue as before, and will be
apprehended to be but a Door left open for the same
Greatness and Pomp, with the Consequences thereof,
to be re-admitted upon the First Opportunity; which
being, it will be impossible to free Mens Minds from
Fears, and the Distempers which those Fears will
occasion. Besides, it cannot be expected the Presbyterian Government should be complied with, and
exercised with either Profit or Comfort to the Church
in general, or to particular Persons (whether the
Governors or the Governed), every body seeing it
to be so short lived, and most Men so apt to resist
Government, who will thereby be emboldened against
this; so as it is much to be doubted, that what Your
Majesty hath done, supposing it will quiet the present Distractions, and give Way for calmer Debates
afterwards, may rather be a Means of further and
greater Troubles, and put us at a larger Distance from
a Composure of the Business of the Church for
the Time to come than we are now. And therefore we hope Your Majesty will pardon our pressing You in this Manner; and not think it unreasonable, that the Houses of Parliament do insist upon
these Particulars, which to them appears of so great
Consequence. The Intention is not, as was said before, to offer Violence to Your Majesty's Conscience;
but that You will please to rectify it, by being better
informed, that both Yourself and Your People may
have Cause of Rejoicing.
"Upon these Grounds, and many more too long
to be here inserted, we again humbly beseech Your Majesty to review our former
Papers, call to Mind those Reasons and Arguments which in Debate have been used
upon this Subject, and such other as Your
own Wisdom, upon the Recollection of Your
Thoughts, will suggest unto You; and then,
all considered, that You will be pleased to give
Your Royal Consent to the Particulars above
specified, according to our Desires expressed
in our Paper of the 25th of September.
* * His Majesty's final Answer concerning the Church.
"For a final Answer to you, as to your Paper concerning the Church, and to your last Paper of the
"His Majesty faith, That He is well pleased with
the Expressions both in the Preface and Conclusion
of the said last Paper, "that His Houses intend not to
force or offer Violence, but to inform and rectify His
Conscience;" and therefore, notwithstanding the Necessity which is urged upon Him through your whole
Paper for His present Concessions, which otherwise
might seem to contradict those Expressions which so
well please His Majesty, yet He hopes His ensuing
Answers will satisfy His Two Houses, since He is
thereunto enforced by His Conscience, which concurs
with the Sense of all other Parliaments (but this)
since the Reformation.
"First, As for the Abolition of Episcopacy, if what
you desire of His Majesty would not (being granted)
absolutely remove, nay abolish, the Exercise of the
Apostolical Bishop, this Point would be soon agreed
betwixt His Majesty and His Two Houses; for all the
additional Power and Jurisdiction which His Majesty's
Predecessors have bestowed upon that Apostolical
Function, He hath consented shall be taken away, as
Archbishops, Deans and Chapters, &c.; leaving
nothing but what (as His Majesty believes to have
proved by His Paper to your Divines) was clearly
instituted by the Apostles themselves. And if He
should give Way to remove all Ecclesiastical Functions
which by Law are exercised, by that Rule even the
Presbyters themselves may be taken away; for, questionless, the Civil Sanction gives the legal acting Power
to all Divine Institutions; otherwise the Christian
Clergy would now be in little better Case than they
were before there were Christian Emperors. As for
those Apostolical Practices which have or may, for
the Avoidance of greater Evils, be altered; His Majesty denies not but that Circumstances may change
the Nature of Moral Actions, and may perhaps make
that which is a Fault at one Time (singly considered in
self) become a Duty at another: Yet, if the Particulars now demanded be not fit to be done, or perhaps a Fault if done, His Majesty conceives (the good
End being the same on both Sides, to wit, the Peace
of the Kingdom) that the Consideration of extraordinary Circumstances ought rather in this Case to
have a powerful Operation with His Two Houses to
recede from their Demands (which cannot be thought
a Fault in them), than to be made Use of as an Argument to press His Majesty to do a Thing against
His Conscience, which appears to Him to be unlawful; since the same good End may as well be obtained
by relaxing on the one Side, as by pressing on the
other. Besides, His Majesty conceives not this to be
of that Number; it being not only a bare Practice,
but an Institution for continual Use in the Church.
"Secondly, As for the Sale of Bishops Lands; His
Majesty conceives, that Precedents in Cases of Conscience cannot satisfy; they only proving that such
Things were done, not the Lawfulness of them. Now
that the total Alienation of Church Lands (which is
the true State of the Question) is Sacrilege, Divines
of all Sorts and of all Times (though otherwise differing in Opinion, yet) herein agree with His Majesty's Judgement; which being well weighed, He
hopes may satisfy as to this Particular: Nor can the
Practices under the Ceremonial Law make any Thing
for this Case, because in those Days full Compensation was always intended, and ordinarily followed,
though absolute Necessity (and not such as might be
otherwise avoided) dispensed sundry Times with the
employing of sacred Things.
"Upon the whole Matter; His Majesty hopes, that
His Two Houses, after a more serious Consideration
of these and His former Reasons, will clearly discern,
that they are not pretended, (fn. *) but real Points of Conscience, upon which He now sticks: And since, by
the Suspension of Episcopacy for Three Years, His
Majesty hath fully for that Time granted His Two
Houses Desires, since He hath reduced the Office of
a Bishop, not only to the Apostolical Institution (which
you say is not desired to be removed), but likewise
taken away all those additional Powers and Jurisdictions which can make them liable to the Imputation of those Grievances and Inconveniences mentioned in your Paper (for as for the negative Voice in
Ordination, His Majesty much wonders that any can
question that Power not to have been in the Apostolical Bishop, it being evident by 1 Tym. v°. 22, and
Tyt. i. 5, that sole Ordination was practised by them);
since it is more than likely that, upon a solemn Debate had with the Divines, according to His Majesty's
former Desires, His Majesty and the Two Houses
will agree upon a settled Form of Church Government long before the End of Three Years, whereby
all those Distractions feared after that Time will be
"And lastly, as for Church Lands; since, by the
heavy charging of them, His Majesty hath satisfied
those Burthens for which they were engaged, He
cannot but hope that His Two Houses will rest satisfied with these and His former Answers; especially
considering that, if the Treaty should break upon this
(which God forbid), the Violence offered to His Majesty's Conscience (against which you protest) would
be too apparent to all the World, besides the Confusion that must necessarily follow in all these His Dominions, which is no Ways in His Majesty's Power to
help; for you know who says, What is a Man profited,
if he shall gain the whole World, and lose his own Soul?
Whereas, by the contrary, the Compliance with His
Majesty in these Particulars puts Him in a right Way
for the better Information of His Conscience, and in
the mean Time settles a happy Peace in these distressed Kingdoms.
"Concerning His Majesty's Declaration for a set
Form of Divine Service (in His Answer of the 4th of
this Instant); His Majesty, having now observed the
Latitude of the Directory, is willing that that' Expression shall not be taken as any Part of His Answer.
"As to all other Particulars, His Majesty adheres
to His former Answers.
"Newport, 21 Nov. 1648.
** The Commissioners Paper, upon the Receipt of the King's final Answer to the Proposition concerning the Church.
"Newport, 21Nov. 1648.
"Having received Your Majesty's final Answer to us,
as to our Papers of the 11th and 20th of this Instant,
concerning the Church; we shall communicate the
same to both Houses of Parliament; and go on in the
Treaty, according to our Instructions.
** The Commissioners Paper, presenting the Votes upon the King's Propositions.
"Newport, 21 Novembr. 1648.
"We humbly present to Your Majesty the ensuing
Votes and Resolutions of both Houses of Parliament,
in Answer to Your Majesty's Propositions of the 17th
of October last:
Die Mercurii, 15 Nov. 1648.
"Resolved, by the Lords and Commons assembled
"That, from and immediately after the King shall
have consented unto the Desires of the Two Houses
upon the Treaty, and ratified the same by Act or
Acts of Parliament, all His Houses, Honours, Manors,
and Lands, with the growing Rents and Profits
thereof, and all other legal Revenues of the Crown,
shall be restored unto Him, liable to the Maintenance
of ancient Forts, and all public and other legal
Charges, which they were formerly charged withal,
or liable unto; with an Exception of such Castles
and Forts as are now garrisoned, and of such Places
for public Magazines and Stores as are now made
Use of, for so long Time as both Houses shall think
fit to make Use of them for the necessary Defence of
"Resolved, by the Lords and Commons assembled
"That the King shall have Compensation for those
legal growing Revenues and Profits of the Crown,
which He hath or shall consent to part withal, for the
Satisfaction of both Houses, in this Treaty, in such
Manner and Proportion as by the King and both
Houses shall be agreed upon.
"Resolved, by the Lords and Commons assembled
"That the King shall be settled in a Condition of
Honour, Freedom, and Safety, agreeable to the Laws
of the Land.
"Resolved, by the Lords and Commons assembled
"That an Act of Oblivion and Indemnity may be
passed, to extend to all Persons, for all Matters, with
such Limitations and Provisions as shall be agreed between His Majesty and His Two Houses of Parliament: Provided, That it be declared by Act of Parliament, That nothing in these Four Propositions, or
any of them, thus consented unto, is intended, or shall
be made Use of, to abrogate, weaken, or any Ways
impair, any Agreement in this Treaty, or any Law,
Grant, or Concession, agreed upon by the King and
the Two Houses of Parliament, in Pursuance thereof.
** The King's Answer, touching the Votes upon His Four Propositions.
"1. His Majesty, having received the Votes of both
Houses, of the 15th of November Instant, in Answer
to His own Propositions formerly sent to both Houses,
is well pleased, that from and after such Time as the
Agreements of this Treaty be ratified by Act or Acts
of Parliament, that all His Houses, Honours, Manors,
and Lands, with the growing Rents and Profits thereof, and all other legal Revenues of the Crown, shall
be restored unto Him, liable to the Maintenance of
ancient Forts, and all other public legal Charges,
which they were formerly charged withal, or liable
unto; with an Exception of such Castles and Forts as
are now garrisoned, and of such Places for Public
Magazines and Stores as are now made Use of, for
so long Time as both Houses shall think fit to make
Use of them, for the necessary Defence of this Kingdom.
"2. His Majesty will likewise accept of such Compensation for those legal growing Revenues and Profits of the Crown which He hath or shall consent to
part withal, for the Satisfaction of both Houses, in
this Treaty, in such Manner and Proportion as shall
be agreed between Him and His Two Houses.
"3. His Majesty is likewise well pleased, that He
be settled in a Condition of Honour, Freedom, and
Safety, agreeable to the Laws of the Land.
"4. And He doth consent to an Act of Oblivion and
Indemnity to be passed, to extend to all Persons, for
all Matters, with such Limitations and Provisions as
shall be agreed between Him and His Two Houses of
"5. And His Majesty will further consent, that it be
declared, by Act of Parliament, That nothing in His
Majesty's Propositions shall be made Use of to abrogate, weaken, or any Ways impair, any Agreement
in this Treaty, or any Law, Grant, or Concession,
agreed upon by His Majesty and the Two Houses of
Parliament, in Pursuance thereof.
Newport, 21 Nov. 1648.
Newport, the 21th of Nov. 1648.
** The Commissioners Paper, upon Receipt of the King's Answer to the Votes touching the Four Propositions.
"Having received Your Majesty's Paper of this
21th of November, in Answer to ours given in this
Day, containing the Votes of both Houses concerning
Your Majesty's Propositions formerly delivered; we
shall communicate the same to both Houses of Parliament.
The King's Answer to the Proposition concerning the Church not satisfactory.
"Resolved, upon the Question, by the Lords and
Commons assembled in Parliament,
That the King's Answer contained in a Paper of
the 21th of November Instant, 1648, to the Proposition
concerning the Church, in all the Parts (except
wherein He has declared His Consent), is not satisfactory."
Ordered, That this Vote be sent to the Commissioners in the Isle of Wight, to acquaint the King therewith.
Vote for continuing of the Treaty.
That the Treaty be continued till Monday next at
Night, the 27th of this Instant November; and that the
Commissioners be enjoined to come away on Tuesday
Morning, with such final Answer as they shall receive
from the King to what remains."
Ordered, That this be sent forthwith away to the
Commissioners in the Isle of Wight.
Letter to the Commissioners, with these Votes.
My Lords and Gentlemen,
"We are commanded, by the Lords and Commons in
Parliament assembled, to send unto you these inclosed
Votes, hereby authorizing you to acquaint the King
therewith. These being all we have in Command,
My Lords and Gentlemen,
Westm. 24 Nov. 1648.
"Your very affectionate Friends,
and humble Servants."