DIE Martis, 19 die Novembris.
Prayers, by Mr. Walker.
Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.
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Comes Sarum.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Rutland. |
Ds. Howard.
Ds. North.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Mountague.
Ds. Dacres.
Ds. Maynard. |
Earl of Northumberland excused.
The Earl of Northumb. is excused for being absent
this Day.
Papers from the Assembly.
Mr. Marshall, accompanied with divers of the Assembly, presented to their Lordships Consideration a
Paper; which was read, as followeth. (Here enter it.)
Next, Dr. Burges, One of the Assessors of the Assembly, presented to this House another Paper, concerning Mr. Ralph Robinson, who declines the Way of Ordination, he being but a Deacon, according to the Ordinance of Parliament; which the Assembly leaves to the
further Consideration of this House.
The said Paper was read. (Here enter it.)
Pass for the Spanish Ambassador to go to the King.
Ordered, That a Pass from this House shall be
granted, for the Lord Ambassador of Spaine, and his
Train, consisting of Thirty Persons, Three Coaches, Eight
Saddle-horses, and One Carriage, to go to Oxford, to
His Majesty's Court, and return to London again, without Interruption; also another Pass, for Francis Bernardi Esquire, his Lordship's Agent, and his Two Servants, who is to go before, to give Notice for his Lordship's Entertainment.
Paper from the Assembly, about Mr. Robinson, Pastor of St. Mary Wolnoth, declining to be ordained a Presbyter.
"Mr. Ralph Robinson, chosen to be Pastor of the
Parish Church of Mary Woolnoth, London, not being
a Presbyter, repaired to the Ministers appointed to
ordain, desiring to be ordained a Presbyter for the
Charge aforesaid, and submitted himself to Examination; but, after some Procedings therein, he declined
the Ministers and Way of Ordination; alledging, that
he is already Deacon, and supposeth that to be
enough; and in Case it be not, he hopes that within
a Year there will be another more settled Way of
Ordination, and then he may be ordained. This Act
of his the Ministers appointed to ordain do conceive
to be a waving and weakening of the Ordinance;
and that there is a Necessity of having Recourse both
to the Assembly and to the Houses of Parliament,
for their Direction and Declaration herein, as well
for the Point of his Admission to his Charge, upon
a Presentation to the Place actually void, as the Sufficiency of his Ordination already attained.
"Monday, the 18th of November, 1644.
"The Assembly of Divines, upon the Debate of this
Case, have Resolved, upon the Question, as followeth:
"1. This Assembly doth advise, that they who have
hitherto been ordained Deacons only according to
the Form of Ordination used in the Church of England, be ordained Presbyters before they undertake
a Pastoral Charge in any Congregration.
"2. Those Ministers appointed to ordain, who are
Members of this Assembly, shall carry up this Case,
and the Vote of this Assembly thereupon, to the Honourable Houses of Parliament; with humble Submission of the whole Matter to their Wisdom.
"William Twisse, Prolocutor.
"Cornelius Burges, Assessor.
"John White, Assessor.
"Adoniram Byfield, Scribe."
Paper from thence, concerning the Dissent of some of their Members to the Propositions for Church Goverment.
"To the Right Honourable the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament.
"Whereas, by an Order of the Honourable House
of Commons, bearing Date the 12th of November
Instant, it was Ordered, That the Opinion of any
Persons, Members of the Assembly, dissenting from
the Propositions concerning Church Government, presented to that House by the Assembly on Friday then
last past, together with their Reasons, should be presented in Writing to the Assembly, by Thursday then
next following at the farthest; the Assembly have
received Reasons, in the Names, and under the Hands,
of Mr. Thomas Goodwin, Mr. Phillip Nye, Mr. Sydrach Sympson, Mr. William Greenhill, Mr. Jeremy
Burroughes, Mr. William Bridge, and Mr. William
Carter (who had before entered their Dissents in the
Assembly), against the Third of the said Propositions;
(videlicet), "The Scripture holds forth, that many
particular Congregations may be under One Presbyterial Government," and the Proofs thereof, which
we delivered into the Assembly the said Thursday,
towards the End of the Session, and read in the
Assembly on Friday the Day following, which contain about Eight Sheets of Paper in a small Hand,
wherein they have brought in as much as they
thought fit of their Arguments (against the Proposition) debated in the Assembly for Thirteen Sessions
at least, and their Exceptions against the Instance of
the Church of Jerusalem for Sixteen Sessions more
(of which Debates the Scribes have written Threescore Sheets of Paper), besides many Things which
they since alledged in the Assembly, against other
Parts of Government, not yet sent up to the Honourable Houses of Parliament (as particularly against
Synods), and some Things which they had not at all
produced in the Assembly; and a great Part of what
they had produced is now put into a new Frame,
different from that wherein it was there proposed;
all which, though it may make the Return of those
Reasons (with the Answers of the Assembly) later
than possibly this Honourable House might expect,
yet we shall use all Diligence in drawing up our Answers to them; and do not doubt but to give this
Honourable House a sufficient Satisfaction, and a clear
Solution to them, with all convenient Speed.
"William Twisse, Prolocutor.
"Cornelius Burgesse, Assessor.
"John White, Assessor.
"Henry Robrough, Scribe.
"Adoniram Byfield, Scribe."