House of Lords Journal Volume 7
26 November 1644

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 7: 26 November 1644', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 7: 1644 (1767-1830), pp. 72-76. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=33166 Date accessed: 25 July 2014.


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DIE Martis, 26 die Novembris.
Lord Bruce excused. Ordinance for the Attainder of the Archbishop of Cant. Answer from the H. C. Message from thence, about bringing the Scotch Army Southward, and raising Money for them. Answer. Earl of Manchester will give an Account of his Employment in the Army. Letter from the Earl of Denbigh. Ordinances, &c. from the H. C. for Concurrence. Ordinance for raising Money for the Scots Army. Deputy Lieutenants for Chester. Ordinance for the Attainder of the Archbishop of Cant. Fast to be observed. Order for the Commissioners of Excise to re-pay themselves 2000 l. advanced for Sir William Waller's Forces. Circular Letter to bring in the Assessments for Ireland. Order for 100 l. for Middlesex Soldiers. Order for 500 l. to Colonel Ven, for the Garrison of Windsor. Order for 100 l. to Mr. Webb, for Medicines for the Lord General's Army. Mr. Bell to convey the Surgeons Chests to the Army. Order for 250 l. to provide Medicines for the Army. Order for 130 l. out of the Excise, to Mr. Jones. Order for 100 l. to Mr. Atkins, out of Mr. Hotham's Estate. Order for 100 l. to Dr. Stryall. Order for 210 l. to Guilchrist, for Tobacco, delivered at Galway. Order for 100 l. per An. out of the Rents of the Dean, &c. of Cant. to Mr. Vossius. Order to repay Monies to Messieurs Steward and Cholmley, lent to Southampton. Ordinance concerning Goods exported and imported from New England. Ordinance to sell Timber on Delinquents Estates, in Sussex and Hants, to fortify Portsmouth. Letter from the Earl of Denbigh, giving an Account of the Propositions being presented to the King. Adjourn. Footnotes

DIE Martis, 26 die Novembris.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Thoroughgood.

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

L. Admiral.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Sarum.
Ds. North.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Mountague.
Ds. Berkeley.
Ds. Wharton.

Lord Bruce excused.

Ds. Bruce excused for his Absence this Day.

Ordinance for the Attainder of the Archbishop of Cant.

The Lord Admiral reported to the House, "That the (fn. *) Committee for the Ordinance concerning the Attainder of the Archbishop of Canterbury met Yesterday; and, after much Debate, the Committee thought it fit to return it to the House again, as a Thing fit to be debated by the whole House."

Answer from the H. C.

Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page, sent Yesterday with a Message to the House of Commons, return with this Answer:

That they will send an Answer, by Messengers of their own, concerning the Ordinance for appointing Mr. Cassinghurst to be Minister of Sundrich.

Message from thence, about bringing the Scotch Army Southward, and raising Money for them.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Nicolls, &c.

To desire their Lordships Concurrence in many Particulars: (fn. *)

1. That it be referred to the Committee of both Kingdoms, to consider of bringing up the Scottish Army Southward, for the most Advantage of the Kingdom.

Agreed to.

2. An Ordinance for raising; by Way of Loan, Sixtysix Thousand Six Hundred Sixty-six Pounds, Thirteen Shillings, and Four Pence, for the Affairs of the Scottish Army.

Read Once.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That their Lordships do agree in the Order for bringing up the Scottish Army; to the rest of the Particulars, this House will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Earl of Manchester will give an Account of his Employment in the Army.

The Earl of Manchester signified to this House, "That, since he attended this House last, he hath had the Honour to be in Employment in some of the Armies of the Parliament; and some Actions of the Army where his Lordship was, hath not given Satisfaction to some; an Account whereof he will be ready to give this House, when he shall be appointed."

And this House appointed Thursday next, for his Lordship to give this House an Account thereof.

Letter from the Earl of Denbigh.

Next, the Speaker acquainted this House with a Letter, which he received from the Earl of Denbigh; which was read, as followeth. (Here enter it.)

Ordinances, &c. from the H. C. for Concurrence.

An Ordinance was read Thrice, for issuing out of the Excise Two Thousand Pounds, for to pay Sir Wm. Waller's Army, and Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

Ordinance for raising Money for the Scots Army.

Next, the Ordinance for raising Sixty-six Thousand Six Hundred Sixty-six Pounds, Thirteen Shillings, and Four Pence, was read the Second Time, and Ordered to be committed to these Lords following:

L. Admiral.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Sarum.
Ds. North.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Howard.

Any Three, to meet at Three of the Clock this Afternoon.

Next, a Letter for bringing in the Assessments for Ireland was read, and Agreed to; and the Speakers of both Houses are to sign them. (Here enter it.)

An Order for paying One Hundred Pounds to the Midd. Forces now in Windsor, was read, and Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

An Order to pay Colonel Ven Five Hundred Pounds, for the Garrison of Windsor. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

An Order read, That the Two Hundred and Forty Pounds, for the Surgeons Chests for my Lord General's Army, shall be taken out of the Recruit-money in the Treasurers Hands, and re-paid by the Committee at Haberdashers Hall.

And Agreed to.

Deputy Lieutenants for Chester.

Ordered, That Phillip Manwaring and Ric'd Wilbraham Esquire be added, to be Deputy Lieutenants of the County of Chester.

An Order to pay One Hundred Pounds to Mr. Webb, out of Haberdashers Hall. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

An Order for paying Two Hundred and Fifty Pounds to the Apothecary of the Army. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

An Order to (fn. *) pay One Hundred and Thirty Pounds to Mr. Peter Jones, out of the Excise. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

An Order to pay One Hundred Pounds to Mr. Atkins, out of Mr. Hotham's Estates, was read, and Agreed to.

(Here enter it.)

An Order to pay One Hundred Pounds to Doctor Stryall. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

An Order to pay to Robert Guilcrist Two Hundred and Ten Pounds, for Tobacco. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

An Order, That the Commissioners of the Customs do settle the Collection of the Customs in Newcastle, in such Manner as they may be received for the Use of the Navy.

Read, and Agreed to.

An Order to pay to Mr. John Vossius One Hundred Pounds per (fn. †) Annum, out of the Rents of Dean's and Chapter's of Canterbury. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

An Order to pay to Mr. Cholmeley and Mr. Steward Monies lent to the Town of South'ton. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

An Ordinance concerning Goods exported and imported from New England, was read Thrice, and Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

An Ordinance for cutting Timber out of Delinquents Estates, for fortifying of Portsmouth, was read Thrice, and Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

Ordinance for the Attainder of the Archbishop of Cant.

Ordered, That, upon Friday Morning next, this House will take into Consideration the Ordinance concerning the Archbishop of Canterbury, at which Time the Lords are to have Notice to attend the House.

Fast to be observed.

Ordered, That the Lords do meet here To-morrow Morning, at Nine of the Clock, and go to the Abby Church, to the Fast.

Order for the Commissioners of Excise to re-pay themselves 2000 l. advanced for Sir William Waller's Forces.

"Whereas John Towse Esquire, Alderman of the City of London, and the rest of the Commissioners of Excise and new Impost, have advanced and lent the Sum of Two Thousand Pounds, for and towards Payment of some Forces under the Command of Sir William Waller: Be it Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the said Commissioners of Excise shall and may satisfy and reimburse themselves the said Two Thousand Pounds, together with Interest for the same after the Rate of Eight Pounds per Cent. for so long Time as the same, or any Part thereof, shall be forborn, out of such Intervals of Time wherein other Payments shall not happen to fall due, or, for Want of such Intervals, then as the same shall follow in Course; and shall not, by any other Order or Ordinance of One or both Houses of Parliament, be debarred or secluded from reimbursing themselves accordingly; and the Receipt of Michaell Herring, Merchant, for the said Two Thousand Pounds, shall be a sufficient Discharge to the said Commissioners of Excise in this Behalf; and the said Michaell Herring is to dispose of the same, as the Committee for the West shall direct."

Circular Letter to bring in the Assessments for Ireland.

"Gentlemen,

"You may percelve, by the printed Copies of the Ordinance of Parliament herewith sent you, that, after great Sums raised by Adventures, Loans, and Contributions, are spent, the continuing Miseries and pressing Wants of the Protestants in Ireland, and the Armies standing for their Defence, have necessitated a Resolution and Course (not until now used by the Parliament for that Kingdom), to raise further Monies for their more certain and effectual Supply, by a Weekly Assessment upon the several Counties of this Kingdom; wherein the Lords and Commons (well weighing the great Burthen which the Troubles here doth still fasten upon the good People of this Land) have so ordered both the Sums now to be raised, and the Times and Manner of Payment, as may be with the least Prejudice to this Kingdom, and yet, being readily paid and brought in according to those Times, satisfy the Expectations of the Armies in Ireland, and with God's Blessing enable them to prosecute the War there with Effect, to the Preservation of that Kingdom, and the greater Ease and Security to this; and therefore the Lords and Commons have given us Order to recommend hereby unto your best Care and Endeavours the speedy and effectual Pursuance and Execution of this Ordinance in that County, according to the Tenor and true Intent thereof, both for making the Assessments in the several Divisions and Towns of your County, collecting the Monies, and bringing them in to the Treasurers; wherein, because the present Necessities of those Armies who have been long unsupplied have caused the Committee appointed to manage this Affair to contract with some Persons for the present Delivery of great Quantities of Arms, Cloaths, and Victual, and for Payment to be made at set Times with the Monies coming in by this Way, it is desired that, the First Three Months in the Ordinance being near expired, your First Assessment and Levy may be made and brought in for Six Months together, which will but answer the Engagement of the Committee, and yet much encourage those that shall furnish Commodities by Way of Advance, upon the Credit of the Ordinance. And so, not doubting of your good Affections and Industry in a Matter of so great Consequence to the true Protestant Religion and the Public Good, we rest

"Your very loving Friends."

Order for 100 l. for Middlesex Soldiers.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the Committee at Habberdashers Hall do forthwith pay the Sum of One Hundred Pounds, for the present Payment of Midd. Forces, sent into Windsor Castle, which Hundred Pounds was promised to be paid them upon their Advance thither."

Order for 500 l. to Colonel Ven, for the Garrison of Windsor.

"Whereas John Towse Esquire, Alderman of the City of London, and the rest of the Commissioners of Excise and new Impost, have advanced and lent, towards Payment of the Garrison at Windsor, the Sum of Five Hundred Pounds: Be it Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the said Commissioners of Excise shall and may satisfy and reimburse themselves the said Five Hundred Pounds, together with Interest for the same after the Rate of Eight Pounds per Cent. for so long Time as the same, or any Part thereof, shall be forborn, out of such Intervals of Time wherein other Receipts upon the Monies arising upon the Excise shall not happen to fall due, or, for Want of such Intervals, then as the same shall follow in Course; and shall not, by any other Order or Ordinance of One or both Houses of Parliament, be debarred from satisfying themselves accordingly; and the Receipt of Colonel John Venn, for the said Five Hundred Pounds, shall be a sufficient Discharge to the said Commissioners in that Behalf."

Order for 100 l. to Mr. Webb, for Medicines for the Lord General's Army.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Committee at Habberdashers Hall do forthwith advance, upon Accompt, One Hundred Pounds unto Abraham Webb, Apothecary, for furnishing Medicaments for the Service of my Lord General's Army."

Mr. Bell to convey the Surgeons Chests to the Army.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons, &c. That Mr. Bell do take Care, that the Chirurgeons Chests, being furnished and visited, may by his Care be sent down to the Head Quarters; and that the respective Colonels do receive the said Chests into their Care and Custody, and from Time to Time, and Place to Place, do take Care of the conveying the said Chests in their own Carriages; and that Mr. Bell receive Money to defray this Charge, from Habberdashers Hall."

Order for 250 l. to provide Medicines for the Army.

"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, that the Apothecary of the Army shall have Two Hundred and Fifty Pounds advanced to him, upon Accompt, to provide Physic, to be borrowed out of the Recruit-monies in the Treasurers Hands, and repaid out of the Monies that come in at Habberdashers Hall."

Order for 130 l. out of the Excise, to Mr. Jones.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the Hundred and Thirty Pounds, appointed to be paid for the Twenty Horse and Mares, with their Furniture, taken up for the Service of the State at Milford Haven, by Order of the Council of War, aboard the Ship Lyon, out of the Ship The Spie, set forth as a Man of War, by whom the said Horse were taken as Prize, going from Youghall to Bristoll, be paid out of the Receipt of the Excise, after former Assignments now made be satisfied, unto Peter Jones, Merchant."

Order for 100 l. to Mr. Atkins, out of Mr. Hotham's Estate.

"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons, &c. That One Hundred Pounds shall be allowed unto Mr. Sam'l Atkins, for the defraying the Expences he has been at, in keeping Mr. Jo. Hotham Prisoner at his House Twelve Weeks, being committed unto him by the Committee appointed for the Examination of the said Mr. Hotham; and that this Hundred Pounds be paid out of the sequestered Estate of Mr. John Hotham; and the Sequestrators in the Place where his Estate lies are hereby required to make Allowance thereof accordingly."

Order for 100 l. to Dr. Stryall.

"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons, &c. That Doctor Stryall, according to Warrant dated July the 12th, from the Committee of the Safety, shall have One Hundred Pounds paid him, for his Advance-money, to be borrowed out of the Recruit-money, to be paid out of the Monies that shall come in at Habberdashers Hall; and that he shall (as others of the Army) have his Wages due to him before the Commencement of my Lord General's Ordinance, and from the Date of that Ordinance, as the Ordinance doth direct; that is, One Half in Hand, and the other Half upon the Public Faith."

Order for 210 l. to Guilchrist, for Tobacco, delivered at Galway.

"Whereas it appeareth, by the Accompt of the Lord Forbes remaining with the Committee of the House of Commons for Irish Affairs, and by the Certificate of Captain Anthony Willoughby, late Governor of the Fort of Galway in that Kingdom, that, amongst other Provisions furnished by the said Lord Forbes, and taken in by the said Captain Willoughby, for the Relief of that Fort, Six Thousand Weight of Tobacco was received, in August, 1642, out of a Barque called The Melior, as she came from the Island of Barbadoes, which appears to be the Goods of Robert Guilcrist, and have since been valued, after the Rate of Fourteen Pence the Pound, to amount unto the Sum of Three Hundred Fourscore and Twelve Pounds; and whereas also it appeareth, by the Assignment of the said Lord Forbes, dated the 25th Day of June, 1644, that there is also due from his Lordship to the said Robert Guilcrist the Sum of Two Hundred and Ten Pounds more, which his Lordship hath appointed to be paid him out of the first and readiest of the Monies due to his Lordship from the Parliament of England: It is now thought fit and Ordered, and be it hereby Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in this present Parliament assembled, That, out of such Monies as shall appear to be due from the Parliament of England to the Lord Forbes, upon his Accompt of Victual, Arms, Ammunition, or other Necessaries, delivered for the Use of the Army in Ireland, under the Pay of this Kingdom, the said Sum of Two Hundred and Ten Pounds be in the First Place paid unto the said Robert Guilcrist, or his Assigns, in Satisfaction of the like Sum so assigned unto him by his Lordship as aforesaid: And be it also further Ordained, That, out of such Monies as shall appear likewise to be due unto the said Lord Forbes upon that his Accompt, the abovementioned Sum of Three Hundred Fourscore and Twelve Pounds be paid unto Nicholas Lostus Esquire, Deputy Treasurer at Wars for Ireland, to be by him paid over unto the said Robert Guilcrist, or his Assigns, in full Discharge of the abovementioned Six Thousand Weight of Tobacco, so received by Captain Anthony Willoughby, for the Use of the Fort of Gallway, and to be defaulked upon the Pay that shall appear to be due to the Commanders, Officers, and Soldiers, of that Fort."

Order for 100 l. per An. out of the Rents of the Dean, &c. of Cant. to Mr. Vossius.

"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons, &c. That the Committee of Sequestrations in the County of Kent do, out of the Rents and Revenues of the Dean, Dean and Chapter of Canterbury, make Payment of One Hundred Pounds per Annum, payable out of the said Rents and Revenues, to Mr. Gerardus Johannes Vossius, Professor of History in Amsterdam, formerly granted to the said Mr. Vossius out of the said Rents and Revenues, together with the Arrears thereof due; the same to be paid into the Hands of Mr. John Sadler, of Lincolnes Inne, or any other whom he shall appoint, to the Use of the said Mr. Vossius."

Order to repay Monies to Messieurs Steward and Cholmley, lent to Southampton.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons, &c. That the First Monies that shall be brought in by the Committee of Accompts shall be employed to the Discharge of the Two Thousand Pounds borrowed of the Town of South'ton, with the Interest due; and of One Thousand Nine Hundred Pounds borrowed of Mr. Cholmely, with the Interest due; and of Three Thousand Six Hundred Pounds borrowed of Mr. Steward, for the Public Service of the State, in Times of great Exigency, with the Interest due."

Ordinance concerning Goods exported and imported from New England.

"Whereas the Plantations in New England have been, by the Blessing of Almighty God, and prosperous Success, without any Public Charge to this State, and are likely to prove very happy for the Propagation of the Gospel in those Parts, and very beneficial and commodious to this Kingdom and Nation: The Lords and Commons now assembled in Parliament, for the better Advancement of those Plantations, and the Encouragement of the Planters to proceed in their Undertakings, have Ordained, and be it Ordained by the said Lords and Commons, That all Merchandize and Goods, that, by any Merchant or other Person or Persons whatsoever, shall be exported out of this Kingdom of England, into New England, to be spent, used, or employed there, or, being of the Growth of that Country, shall be from thence imported hither, or shall be laden, or put on board, in any Ship or Vessel, for Necessaries, in passing or returning to and from, without paying or yielding any Custom, Subsidy, Taxation, or Imposition, or other Duty for the same, either Inwards or Outwards, either in this Kingdom or New England, or any Port, Haven, or Creek, or other Place whatsoever, from the Tenth Day of March, 1642, until both Houses shall take further Order therein to the contrary; and all and singular Customers, Farmers, and Collectors of Customs, Subsidies, and Imposts, and other Officers, Ministers, and Subjects whatsoever, are hereby required and enjoined, that they, and every of them, upon shewing forth unto them of this Ordinance, or a true Copy thereof under the Hand of the Clerk of the Parliament, without any other Writ or Warrant whatsoever, do make full, whole, and entire and due Allowance, and clear Discharge, unto the said Owners of the said Goods and Merchandizes, their Factors, Servants, and Agents, according to the true Intent and Meaning of this present Ordinance."

Ordinance to sell Timber on Delinquents Estates, in Sussex and Hants, to fortify Portsmouth.

"Be it Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That, out of the Estates sequestered by Authority of Parliament, of Papists and Delinquents, in the Counties of Sussex and Hants, Five Hundred Tons of Timber Trees, and Six Thousand Cords of Wood, shall be cut, for the Reparation of the Fortifications at Portsmouth; the said Five Hundred Tons of Timber to be employed in planking and fortifying the same; and the said Six Thousand Cords of Wood to be sold, for defraying the Charge in fortifying the said Garrison, as Colonel Jephson, Lieutenant Governor of Portesmouth, shall direct.

"And be it further Ordained, That the several Committees of the Counties of Sussex and Hants respectively shall take Care, that an equal Proportion of Timber and Cord Wood be cut as aforesaid, upon the respective Counties, and also upon the said Delinquents Estates; and the said Committee shall appoint, in their respective Counties, in Places most convenient for the Service, where, in what Manner, and by whom, the said Trees shall be cut; and are to take special Care, that no Waste or Spoil be made in the Execution of this Ordinance; and that no Trees be cut at unseasonable Times; and also that no young Trees, or others fit for the Use of the Navy, shall be sold, by virtue of this present Ordinance.

"And it is further Provided, That no Timber, or other Trees, shall be cut, by virtue of this Ordinance, out of The New Forrest, in Hants: Provided likewise, That the respective Committees of the said Counties shall certify, under their Hands and Seals, unto the Committee of the Accompts of the Kingdom, the several Proportions of Timber and Wood, and out of whose Estates particularly they were cut and felled by virtue of this Ordinance, together with a true Estimate of the Value of the same."

Letter from the Earl of Denbigh, giving an Account of the Propositions being presented to the King.

"To the Right Honourable the Lord Gray of Werke, Speaker of the House of Peers pro Tempore.

"My Lord,

"After our First Access to His Majesty, I desire to give an Account to the House both of that and of our Journey, which proved longer than might be expected, in regard that we could not gain certain Intelligence where to attend, at Wantage or Farringdon; and then we shaped our Course that Way: But, coming to Wallingford, the Governor there told us, that he believed that His Majesty would be that Night or the next Day in Oxford; which made us to return back over Wallingford Bridge, and take up our Lodgings at Bensington, Two Miles from thence upon Oxford Way; and there stayed till the Return of a Messenger sent by him for certain Knowledge where the King was, which came the next Morning, being Saturday, about Ten of the Clock; and then he sent us Word, His Majesty would without Fail be that Night in Oxford, whither we immediately repaired: And presently after we came to our Inn, we sent to His Majesty, whose Pleasure was, we should wait upon Him this Day, at Two a Clock, which we did in the Garden, at Christ Church. I read the Propositions. In reading that Part which mentioned the Treaties of the 29th of November, 1643, and of the 6th of August, 1642, His Majesty asked, "If we had the Treaty?" and, after the Propositions were read, He asked, "If we had Power to treat concerning them?" to which we replied, "We were to deliver them to His Majesty, and to desire an Answer in Writing;" which, He said, we should have as soon as He could: And we shall not fail to obey your Commands, in our speedy Return, when we have received it.

Oxford, Sunday Night, 24 November, 1644.

"Your Lordship's humble Servant,

"B. Denbigh."

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 9a cras.

Footnotes

* Deest in Originali.
* Origin. wherein they desire Concurrence.
* Origin. paying.
Origin. Cent.