DIE Jovis, 19 die Decembris.
PRAYERS, by Dr. Gouge.
Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.
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L. General.
L. Admiral.
Comes Kent.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Denbigh. |
Ds. North.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Dacre.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Mountague.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Bruce. |
May, for Words against Lord Say.
Upon reading the Petition of May, sent for
as a Delinquent, to answer for speaking some derogatory Words of a Peer of this House, denying the
Words:
Hereupon this House Ordered, That the Witnesses
which made the Information against him shall attend this
House on Tuesday next, to give in their Testimony concerning this Business; and in the mean Time the said
May to go upon his Bail.
L. Herbert's Petition, for a Subsistence.
Upon reading the Petition of Edward Lord Herbert
of Cherbery, shewing, "That all his Estate and Goods
being lost by reason of these Troubles, he desires
that some Means may be allowed him for his necessary
Subsistence; and because his Goods, (fn. *) which were
seized on through a meer Mistake, by the Committee
for Sequestrations, are now in the Hands of Mr.
John Spencer, who bought the same for Two Hundred and Seventy Pounds, and that they will not
be restored to him unless the Sum be paid; therefore he desires an Order, that the Committee for Sequestration, or some other, may pay the said Sum
to Mr. Spencer, to the Intent he may have his Goods
again."
Hereupon this House Ordered, To recommend this
Petition to the House of Commons, that it may be referred to the Committee of Sequestrations.
E. of Carlisle, Leave to visit the Lords from the King.
Ordered, That the Earl of Carlile hath Leave to
visit the Duke of Richmond and the Earl of South'ton.
Message from the King to be referred to the Committee of both Kingdoms.
The House taking into Consideration the King's
Message, brought by the Duke of Richmond and the
Earl of South'ton: It (fn. *) is Ordered, To send a Message
to the House of Commons, to let them know, that,
upon Consideration of the Message from His Majesty,
brought by the Duke of Richmond and the Earl of
South'ton, the Lords think fit to refer it to the Committee of both Kingdoms, with Addition of Three
Lords, as concerning this Business only, that they may
advise what Answer is fit to be given to His Majesty's
Message, and report it to the Houses; and to desire
the Concurrence of the House of Commons herein,
and that they would appoint a proportionable Number
of their House.
And the House presently added the Earls of Pembrooke,
Sarum, and the Lord Howard.
Message to the H. C. for that Purpose;
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Mr. Serjeant Whitfield and Mr. Serjeant Fynch:
To deliver to them the Sense of this House as aforesaid, concerning the King's Message.
and with L. Herbert's Petition.
2. To deliver to them the Petition of the Lord Herbert of Cherbery; and desire their Concurrence, that it
may be recommended to the Committee of Lords and
Commons for Sequestration.
Message from thence, for a Meeting with the Scots Commissioners, to consider of the King's Message.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Sir Rob't Pye Knight, &c.
To desire their Lordships Concurrence, that the
Scotts Commissioners may be sent to, and desired that
they would give a Meeting with the Select Committee
of both Houses, to consider of the King's Message.
The Answer returned was:
Answer.
That their Lordships will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.
Letter from the Swedish Agent.
The Speaker acquainted the House with the Letter
sent to him from the Agent of the Queen of Sweeden;
which was read. (Here enter it.)
Message from the H. C. to refer it to the Committee of both Kingdoms;
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Sir Roger North, &c.
To communicate to this House a Letter, sent to their
Speaker, from the Agent of Sweden; and desire their
Lordships Concurrence, that it may be referred to the
Committee of both Kingdoms.
and with an Ordinance.
2. To desire Concurrence in an Ordinance for Discharge of the Delinquency of the Earl of Thanett.
The Answer was:
Answer.
That this House will send an Answer by Messengers
of their own.
Letter from the Swedish Agent, that he may communicate Matters he has in Charge.
"For the Right Honourable the Lord Gray of
Warke, Speaker to the House of Peers.
"Right Honourable,
"The Queen of Sweden, my Gracious Lady and
Mistress, with the Regentis of that Kingdom, have sent
me to the most Honourable and High Court of Parliament (the Representative Body of this Kingdom), in
Commission to deliver Her Majesty's Letters, containing Matters of great Importance, and tending to the
Honour and Welfare of both Kingdoms, to these
whom it shall please the Houses to appoint for receiving them. For this Cause, I heartily entreat your
Lordship to let me have your Answer, by the Master of Ceremonies, with the First Conveniency.
"Your Lordship's
"Most affectionate Serviteur,
"Hugh Mouat."
Committee to receive them.
The House taking into Consideration the Letter of
the Agent of the Queen of Sweeden; the House thought
it fit, that a Select Committee of both Houses be appointed, to receive what he hath to deliver to the Parliament; and to this Purpose these Lords following
were named Committees:
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L. General,
L. Admiral.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Kent.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Sarum. |
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Manchester.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. North.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Willoughby. |
Message to the H. C. for a Conference about it.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page:
To desire a present Conference, concerning the Agent
of the Queen of Sweden, in the Painted Chamber.
Message from the Assembly, about observing Christmasday as a Public Fast.
A Message was brought from the Assembly, by Doctor Burges, &c. humbly to present to their Lordships
Consideration, "That Wednesday next, Christmas Day,
being appointed for the keeping of the Fast by both
Houses, they finding in the City of London some People inclined not to keep that Day so solemnly as it
should be, and they fearing some Inconveniencies may
ensue thereupon; therefore they humbly offer to the
Wisdom of this House, whether it will not be needful, that a Declaration be drawn up, and agreed by
both Houses, that it may be published the next Lordsday in the Churches within the Line of Communication, that that Day may be kept as it ought to be,
that so (fn. *) the whole Kingdom may have Comfort thereby."
Ordinance to be drawn for that Purpose.
The House taking this into Consideration; Ordered,
That the Earl of Manchester, the Lord Wharton, and the
Lord North, do draw an Ordinance to this Purpose, and
present it to this House To-morrow Morning.
Heads for the Conference about the Swedish Agent.
The Earl of Northumb. was appointed by this House,
to manage the Conference; and to let them know,
That the Letter from the Agent of Swethland mentioning some Matters of great Importance from the
Queen his Mistress, and the Regentis, to be communicated unto such as the Two Houses of Parliament shall appoint; the Lords do conceive it most
proper first to appoint Select Committees of both
Houses, to receive what he hath to deliver unto them;
and afterwards, if they find Occasion for it, they
shall consider of a Way to communicate it unto the
Commissioners of Scotland."
Thanks to the Preachers at the Fast.
Ordered, That Mr. Marshall, Mr. Hill, and Mr.
Sedgwicke, have hereby Thanks given from this House,
for their great Pains taken in Preaching Yesterday at
Lyncolnes Inne, before both Houses of Parliament.
States Ambassadors exempted from the Excise.
"Ordered, by the Lords assembled in Parliament,
That The States Ambassadors, being Extraordinary
Ambassadors, be exempt from the Payment of any
Excise, upon the Consumption of any Flesh, Wine,
Beer, or other Necessaries; and that as well for what
is imported alread your bought, or shall for the future
be imported or bought here, for which the Steward
to the said Ambassadors shall give a Note under his
Hand."
To import their Wine, &c. Duty-free.
"Ordered, by the Lords assembled in Parliament
that The States Ambassadors shall have such Wine
and Beer, as they themselves shall bring over for
their own Expence, Excise and Custom-free."
Message from the H. C. with an Ordinance for observing the Fast on Christmasday.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Mr. Rous, &c.
To desire their Lordships Concurrence in an Ordinance, concerning the keeping the next Fast, which falls
now on Christmas-day. (Here enter it.)
The said Ordinance was read Thrice, and Agreed to;
and Ordered to be printed, and published the next
Lords-day, in all Churches and Chapels within the Line
of Communication and Bills of Mortality.
The Answer returned was:
Answer.
That this House agrees to the Ordinance now brought.
Answers from the H. C.
Mr. Serjeant Whitfield and Mr. Serjeant Fynch return with this Answer from the House of Commons:
That concerning the adding of some Lords to the
Committee of both Kingdoms, only to advise concerning
an Answer to the King's Message, they will send an
Answer by Messengers of their own; and concerning the
Petition of the Lord Herbert of Cherberry, they agree
with their Lordships in recommending it to the Committee of Sequestrations.
Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page [ (fn. *) return with this Answer] from the House of Commons:
That they will give a present Conference, as is desired.
Message from thence, that they may impart at the Conference somewhat about referring the King's Message;
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Sir Wm. Lewis, &c.
That whereas a Conference is to be, concerning Letters sent to the Speakers of both Houses from the
Agent of the Queen of Sweden, the House of Commons
desires that, at the same Conference, they might impart to their Lordships some Things concerning the Matter of a late Message, concerning the King's Message.
about Serjeant Glanvile's Assessment;
2. To desire Concurrence in an Order concerning Serjeant Glanvil's Assessment.
Agreed to.
and to sit P. M.
3. To let their Lordships know, that the House of
Commons hath resolved to sit at Four of the Clock
this Afternoon; and to desire their Lordships (fn. †) to sit
likewise.
The Answer returned was:
Answer.
That this House agrees to all the Particulars of the
Message now brought up.
Design of betraying Lynn, by Roger Le Strange.
The Earl of Manchester acquainted this House with a
Design, as plotted, for the betraying of the Town of
Lynne, a Garrison of the Parliament's; and the principal
Agent in it was Mr. Roger Le Strange, who is now
brought to London, and some Examinations taken in
the Business; and a Commission granted him by the
King was found about him, and read, as followeth:
Commission from the King, for him to be Governor of it, and for other Purposes.
"CHARLES R.
"We having received, from Our Trusty and Wellbeloved Roger Le Strange, Declaration of the good Affections of divers of Our well-affected Subjects of Our
Counties of Norfolke and Suffolke, particularly of Our
Town of Lynne, as also some Overtures concerning the
reducing of Our said Town of Linne; We have thought
fit hereby to return Our Royal Thanks unto Our said
Well-affected Subjects, and particularly to give Our
said Trusty and Well-beloved Roger Le Strange these
Encouragements to proceed in Our Service, principally in the Work of reducing the said Town of
Linne:
"First, That, in Case that Attempt shall be gone
through withall, he the said Roger Le Strange shall
have the Government of that Place.
"Secondly, That what Engagements shall be made
unto the Inhabitants of the said Place, or any other
Person capable of contributing effectually to that Service, by Way of Reward, either in Employment in
His Majesty's Navy or Forts, or in Money not exceeding the Sum of Five Thousand Pounds, the Service being performed, shall be punctually made good
unto them.
"Thirdly, That they shall in this Work receive what
Assistance may be given them from any of Our nearest
Garrisons.
"And lastly, That whenever Our said Town shall be
reduced unto Our Obedience, We shall forthwith
send thither such a considerable * Force, as shall be
sufficient to relieve and preserve them; We being at
present, even without this, fully resolved to send a
considerable Power, to encourage our faithful Subjects
in those Parts, and to regain Our Rights and Interests
there.
"Given at Our Court at Oxford, this 28 November, 1644.
"By His Majesty's Command,
"George Digby."
Message to the H. C. for Le Strange to be tried by the Council of War.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page:
To deliver unto them the Commission, which was
found about Roger Le Strange; and to let them know,
that he being brought up on Tuesday Night last, and
the Witnesses and Examinations being now in Town,
their Lordships think it fit, if the House of Commons
join in it, that the said Roger Le Strange be tried by the
Council of War in London.
Design to be tray Reading.
Next, the Lord General acquainted the House with a
Letter from Colonel Barckley, at Reading; intimating,
"That there was lately a Design to betray the Town
and Garrison of Reading; but it was discovered, and
divers Persons are apprehended and imprisoned for
it."
Hereupon this (fn. *) House Ordered, That it be referred to the Lord General, to try these Persons by a Council
of War.
The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the
Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the
House was resumed.
Report of the Conference about referring the King's Message.
And the Speaker reported, "That the House of
Commons desires that the Committee of Fourteen
Lords may meet with the Committee of Twenty-eight
Commoners this Afternoon, and consider of the King's
last Message, because they desire to give Expedition to
the Business, that so the Messengers sent from the
King may speedily return; and that the Committee
may have Power to advise with the Scottish Commissioners concerning this Business."
Committees to meet with the Scots Commissioners about it.
To which this House (fn. *) agreed, and Ordered the
same accordingly, and appointed the Committee to meet
at Three of the Clock; and the Gentleman Usher had
Directions to signify so much from this House to the
Scotts Commissioners.
Ordinance to observe the Fast on Christmas-day.
"Whereas some Doubts have been raised, whether
the next Fast shall be celebrated, because it falleth
on the Day which heretofore was usually called The
Feast of the Nativity of our Saviour: The Lords and
Commons in Parliament assembled do Order and Ordain, That Public Notice be given, that the Fast appointed to be kept on the last Wednesday in every
Month ought to be observed, until it be otherwise
Ordered by both Houses of Parliament; and that
this Day particularly is to be kept with the more solemn Humiliation, because it may call to Remembrance
our Sins, and the Sins of our Forefathers, who have
turned this Feast, pretending the Memory of Christ,
into an extreme Forgetfulness of Him, by giving Liberty to carnal and sensual Delights, being contrary
to the Life which Christ Himself led here upon
Earth, and to the spiritual Life of Christ in our
Souls; for the sanctifying and saving whereof, Christ
was pleased both to take a human Life, and to lay it
down again."
Order for disposing of Serjeant Glanvile's Fine to Portsmouth Garrison, &c.
"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the first Two
Thousand Pounds arising out of the Fine laid, or to
be laid, upon Serjeant Glanvile, by the Committee
of Habberdashers Hall, for Composition for his Delinquency, shall be issued forth for the Use of the Garrison of Portsmouth; and that until such Time as
the said Money shall be paid in, that the Committee
at Habberdashers Hall do advance Five Hundred Pounds
for the Garrison of Portsmouth, to be re-paid out (fn. †) of
the Two Thousand Pounds assigned out of Serjeant
Glanvil's Fine, for the Use of that Garrison, and
Two Hundred Pounds to Mr. Jones a Cutler; and
the Residue of the Monies that shall come in upon his
Composition, to be disposed of for the Service of the
West, by the Committee of Lords and Commons for
the West."
Letter from Colonel Barclay, about a Design of betraying Reading.
"To his Excellency the Earl of Essex. These,
humbly present.
"May it please your Excellency,
"I staid the longer, that so I might give you the
fuller Account concerning a Spy of the King's, that
was apprehended on Monday, and confesseth, That he
having formerly been a Soldier in the King's Army,
but now lived at Strattfeild Sea, and was on Friday
Night sent for, by some of the Commanders of Basin
House, to go to the Garrison of Reding, to see what
Ordnance and Strength there was in the Town, and
what Horse lay near; he was also to enquire for a
Brewer's House near St. Marye's Church, and he to
send to Four or Five more in the Town, that were
Friends to the King, and acquaint them, that the Man
was sent from Basin House to them: An Answer was
returned him by a Townsman, That, according as
they had formerly promised, they would be as good
as their Words; though they could not do it before,
yet they would do it now, if they could: And faith,
That, To-morrow Morning, about Two of the Clock,
a considerable Party of Foot and Horse were to come
from the King's Army, for surprizing of the Town:
Upon which Suspicion, I have apprehended several
Townsmen, that the Committee have in their Custody.
For Prevention whereof, I have strengthened the Guards,
and given Order to be in Readiness to repair to their
several Alarum Places. I shall humbly desire your Excellency would be pleased to send some Horses hither; for we have no Intelligence but that we have
from Mr. Bedford, who will be forced to put away
his Men for Want of Money. I shall not be wanting,
by God's Assistance, to approve myself,
Reading, 17th Dec. 1644, 8 at Night.
"Your Excellency's
"Most faithful and obedient Servant,
"Harie Barclay."
Roger Le Strange to be tried by Martial Law.
"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in
Parliament, That Mr. Roger Le Strange be referred to
the Commissioners for Martial Law, to be speedily
proceeded with according to the Course of Martial
Law, for being taken with a Commission from the
King, for Delivery of the Town of Lynne to the King,
and endeavouring accordingly to do it."
Adjourn.
House adjourned till 3a post meridiem.
Post meridiem.
Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.
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L. General.
L. Admiral.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Kent.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Stamford.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Comes Suffolke. |
Ds. North.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Bruce. |
Answer from the H. C.
Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page return with this Answer from the House of Commons:
That they agree that Roger Le Strange be tried by
the Commissioners for Martial Affairs.
Report from the Scots Commissioners, and the Committees appointed to consider of the King's Message.
The Earl of Northumb. reported, "That the Select
Committees of both Houses have met, and have advised with the Scotts Commissioners, touching the
King's Message; and they offer to their Lordships
Consideration their Opinion; videlicet,
"To report to both Houses, That this Committee
and the Commissioners of Scotland are of Opinion,
That there be a Treaty for a safe and well-grounded
Peace, with such Instructions, and in such Manner, as
shall be agreed upon by the Two Houses of Parliament and the Commissioners for the Kingdom of
Scotland.
"And because the Committee thinks that, if the
Two Lords sent from the King should stay here until the Two Houses had resolved of all Particulars
concerning the Manner of the Treaty, it would be too
long, and Inconveniencies would happen thereupon;
the Committee, with the Advice of the Commissioners
of Scotland, have prepared an Answer to be sent to
the King, by the Duke of Richmond and the Earl
of South'ton, which is offered to the Consideration and
Wisdom of the Houses, and read, as followeth:
Answer to the King's Message about Peace.
"May it please Your most Excellent Majesty,
"We Your Majesty's humble and loyal Subjects of
both Kingdoms have considered of Your Majesty's
Message of the 13th of December, 1644, sent by the
Duke of Richmond and the Earl of South'ton, directed,
"To the Lords and Commons assembled in the Parliament of England at Westm. and to the Commissioners
of the Parliament of Scotland now at London;" and do
in all Humbleness return this Answer:
"That we do consent there be a Treaty for a safe
and well-grounded Peace; but find that it will require some Time to resolve concerning the Instructions and Manner of that Treaty; and therefore, that
Your Majesty might not be held in Suspence, touching our Readiness to make Use of any Opportunity
for attaining such a blessed and happy Peace in all
Your Majesty's Dominions, we would not stay Your
Majesty's Messengers till we did resolve upon all those
Particulars, which we will take into our serious Consideration, and present our humble Desires therein to
Your Majesty with all convenient Speed."
Message to the H. C. to concur in it.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page:
To desire their Concurrence in these Particulars.