DIE Sabbati, 21 die Decembris.
PRAYERS, by Mr. Marshall.
Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker this Day.
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L. General.
L. Admiral.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Kent.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Nottingham.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Denbigh. |
Ds. North.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Mountague.
Ds. Dacre.
Ds. Willoughby. |
Answer from the H. C.
Mr. Doctor Heath, &c. return this Answer from the
House of Commons:
That they have appointed their Committee to meet
with the Committee of Lords, for Reception of the
Commissioner from the Queen of Sweden, and the Regents thereof, at the Time appointed.
Earl of Thanet's Ordinance.
Next, the Ordinance for taking off the Delinquency
of the Earl of Thanett, was read Thrice, and Agreed to.
(Here enter it.)
Ordinance to make the Precinct of Newport Parochial.
An Ordinance concerning the making of the Borough
and Precinct of [ (fn. *) Newport, in] the Isle of Wight, Parochial, was read Twice, and committed to these Lords following, to consider of the same, and report the same to
this House:
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L. Admiral.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Manchester. |
Comes Bolingbrooke.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Ds. North. |
Any Three, to meet on Monday next, in the
Afternoon, at Three a Clock; and Mr. Serjeant Whitfield to attend the Committee.
Pay for Colonel Fiennes's Regiment.
Ordered, That Colonel John Fiennes shall have the
Remainder of the Fortnight's Pay, assigned unto him by
Ordinance for his Regiment of Horse, forthwith paid
and satisfied unto him.
Answer delivered to the Lords who are come from the King.
The Earl of Northumberland reported, "That the
Committee of both Houses met Yesterday with the
Commissioners of Scotland, and delivered to the Duke
of Richmond and the Earl of South'ton the Answer to
the King's Message; which having been read by the
Duke of Richmond and the Earl of South'ton, they said
they had some Things to deliver by Command from the
King; which he delivered in Writing, videlicet,
They desire to present somewhat further to the Houses.
"My Lords and Gentlemen,
"We shall obey your Commands, in presenting this
to His Majesty; and withall desire we may present
you what we have in Command from Him. We observed, when we waited on you last, your Lordships
desired to receive all in Writing; in Conformity to it,
if your Lordships please to assign how it shall be received To-morrow Morning, we shall accordingly prepare the best we can, to give you Satisfaction."
Upon this, their Lordships withdrew, and the Committee took this into Consideration; and finding that
their Powers from the Houses was but to deliver the
Answer to the Two Lords, called them in again, and told
them, "That the Committee of both Houses hath considered their Orders, and likewise their Lordships Desires;
and do find, that they have only for the present
Power to deliver that Answer unto His Majesty's
Message. If their Lordships have any further Commands from the King, they know the Way of Addresses unto the Houses."
Message from the H. C. with an Ordinance to exclude the Members of both Houses from holding any Office, Civil or Military.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Mr. Pierrepont, &c.
That he was commanded by the House of Commons
to deliver to their Lordships an Ordinance of Parliament, "That the Members of either House shall not
have or execute Offices or Commands, Military or
Civil, during this War, conserred or granted by Parliament; and they conceive it a Business so much concerning the Armies, they desire their Lordships would
presently take it into Consideration."And further he
was commanded to acquaint their Lordships, "That the
House of Commons hath appointed a Committee, to
consider of the Necessities of the several Members of
both Houses; and to present what Allowance they
think fit to be made for their present Support and
Maintenance."
The Answer returned was:
Answer.
That this House will take their Message into Consideration, and return an Answer by Messengers of their own.
Scots Commissioners and the Committee to meet, to receive somewhat further from the Lords who are come from the King.
The Speaker acquainted this House, "That the Duke
of Richmond and the Earl of South'ton sent to him, to
desire him to acquaint this House, That they have
something further in Command from the King, to
deliver to the Parliament and the Commissioners of
Scotland."
Hereupon this House Ordered, That a Message be
sent to the House of Commons, to acquaint them with
this Information, and desire that their Committee of
Twenty-eight may meet the Committee of Fourteen
Lords this Afternoon, at Three of the Clock, to receive
what the Two Lords have to deliver further from the
King; and that the Scotts Commissioners may have Notice
of it, and Desire to meet accordingly.
Message from the H. C. for that Purpose.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Mr. Holles, &c.
To let their Lordships know, that their Speaker
informed their House, "That the Duke of Richmond
and the Earl of South'ton were with him, to let him
know, that they had something in Command from the
King, to deliver further to both Houses of Parliament
and the Commissioners of Scotland."Therefore the
House of Commons desire their Lordships, that the
Committee formerly appointed may presently meet, to
receive what the Duke of Richmond and the Earl of
Southampton have to deliver to the Houses; and, after the
Delivery thereof, to know of them if they have * any
Thing further in Charge from His Majesty, to deliver
unto the Houses; and that if they have, that this Committee hath Power presently to receive it; and likewise
to send Intimation to the Scottish Commissioners, to desire
them presently to meet with the Committee for this Purpose; and to desire that their Lordships will sit this Afternoon, at Two of the Clock.
The Answer returned was:
Answer.
That this (fn. *) House will send an Answer to this Message
with Messengers of their own.
Message to the H. C. for the Meeting to be P. M.;
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page:
To let them know, that the Lords do agree to all that
was last sent concerning the Two Lords sent from the King,
saving to the Point of Time; and that the Lords have
appointed Three of the Clock this Afternoon for that
Purpose, and the House to sit at Four this Afternoon.
and about receiving the Swedish Minister.
2. To let them know, the Committee of Lords are
ready to receive the Swedish Commissioner presently,
in the Painted Chamber; and to desire that the Committee of their House may meet accordingly.
Archbishop of Cant's Attainder.
Ordered, That the Business concerning the Archbishop of Canterbury shall be taken into Consideration
on Monday Morning next, the First Business.
Demergue, Surgeon to Ld. Willoughby's Regiment, freed from an Arrest.
Upon reading the Petition of Isaacke Demergue,
Chirurgeon to the Lord Willoughbye's Regiment of
Horse, and hath Commission from him to serve the Parliament; yet he is arrested:
Hereupon this House Ordered, That [ (fn. *) the Petitioner] shall be released from his present Restraint.
Answer from the H. C.
Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page return with this Answer
from the House of Commons:
That their Committee will meet presently, to give
Reception to the Swedish Commissioner; and they have
appointed their Committee to meet with the Lords Committee, at Three a Clock; and that their House will sit
at Four of the Clock this Afternoon, as is desired.
The Lords went to give Reception to the Swedish
Commissioner; and the House was adjourned till 4ta
post
meridiem.
"An Ordinance for Discharge of the Delinquency
of the Earl of Thanett.
Ordinance to clear the E. of Thanett from Delinquency.
"Whereas John Earl of Thanett hath been adjudged
a Delinquent within several Ordinances of Parliament,
and his Estate seized and sequestered in several Counties, and he hath since come in before the First Day of
March last, and submitted, and humbly desired the
Benefit of the Declaration of Parliament, whereunto
he was admitted; and hath thereupon agreed to pay
for his Discharge the Sum of Nine Thousand Pounds,
whereof Six Thousand Pounds is paid in Hand, and
Security given to the Treasurers of Goldsmiths Hall
for the Payment of the Residue by Three Payments,
as by the Order of the House of Commons, dated
19 Octobris, 1644, is directed: It is therefore Ordered, Declared, and Ordained, by the Lords and
Commons in Parliament assembled, and the said Lords
and Commons do hereby Order, Declare, and Ordain,
That the said Sum of Nine Thousand Pounds, so paid
and secured as aforesaid, shall be, and is accepted as,
a full Fine and Composition, from the said Earl of
Thannett, for his Delinquency; and that, in Consideration thereof, the said Earl shall be, and is hereby,
clearly acquitted and discharged of his Delinquency,
and of all Forfeitures, Seizures, and Sequestrations,
of or upon any Part of his Estate, by reason thereof;
and that the said Earl of Thannett, by the Authority
aforesaid, is hereby to be restored, and shall receive
and have the Benefit of his Rents due at the Feast
of St. Michaell th' Archangell last past, and the Profits
then due; and all Committees, Sequestrators, and Collectors, are to take Notice hereof, and conform themselves hereunto; any former Direction, Declaration,
or Ordinance, notwithstanding."
Adjourn.
House adjourned till 4a post meridiem.
Post meridiem.
Ds. Grey of Warke, Speaker.
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L. General.
L. Admiral.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Kent.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Denbigh. |
Ds. North.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Mountague.
Ds. Dacre. |
Report of the Paper from the Lords who are come from the King, for an Answer to the King's Desire about treating by Commissioners.
The Earl of Northumberland reported, "That the
Duke of Richmond and the Earl of South'ton delivered
to the Select Committee of both Houses and the
Commissioners of Scotland a Paper, by Command
from the King;" which was read, as followeth:
"My Lords and Gentlemen,
"We are commanded by His Majesty to let you
know, that it is His Desire, that, before our going from
hence, we might receive a Resolution to that Part of
His Majesty's Desire, expressed in his Message in the
13th of December, 1644, concerning your treating
with Him by Persons to be appointed on either Part,
that so, according to what shall be agreed upon, we
may have Opportunity to offer what else we have in
Charge from His Majesty, in order to the procuring
a happy Peace. But yet His Majesty earnestly desires,
that the Way proposed by Him may be agreed unto,
as that which He conceives to be the most likely Means
speedily to draw on a happy and well-grounded Peace;
whereas otherwise the Distance of that Place which
His Majesty is most likely to reside in (as also many
other respects) will extremely lengthen the Treaty, and
defer the attaining to that happy End, a blessed
Peace (which His Majesty above all other Things so
earnestly desires), and consequently be a Cause of the
further Effusion of His Subjects Blood (besides the
many other Losses to the Kingdom); which His Majesty
is so desirous to prevent, that, as He will readily do
what else shall be requisite on His Part, so He will
most willingly give such Powers to the Persons employed by Him, as there shall be little or no Loss of
Time upon that Occasion; the compassionate Sense
His Majesty hath of the Miseries and Calamities the
Kingdom doth suffer by this unnatural War prevailing
so far upon Him, that He is as earnest in seeking out
the Remedy as if He Himself were the only Sufferer.
21 Decembris,
1644.
"J. Richmond & Lenox.
"T. South'ton."
Answer of the Committees and the Scots Commissioners to it.
"Upon the receiving this Paper, the Committee, with
the Concurrence of the Commissioners of Scotland,
returned this Answer:
"We shall presently report this Paper delivered in
by your Lordships; but we are directed by the Houses
of Parliament to know of your Lordships, if you have
any Thing further in Charge from His Majesty to deliver unto the Houses; if your Lordships have, this
Committee hath Power and Order now to receive it."
Reply of the Lords from the King.
"The Reply of the Duke of Richmond and Earl of
South'ton was this:
"We conceive that we may have something further
in Charge from His Majesty to deliver to your Lordships, &c. after you shall have declared your Resolution concerning the managing of the Treaty betwixt
His Majesty and your Lordships by Persons on either
Part; but have nothing else at this Time to offer."
Message to the H. C. for the Committee to meet again about it.
Upon this, a Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Serjeant Whitfield and Dr. Heath:
To let them know, the Lords think fit to refer the
Consideration of the Two Papers delivered by the Duke
of Richmond and the Earl of South'ton to the Committee
which was appointed by both Houses to receive what
those Lords were to deliver from His Majesty, that they
may meet with the Scotch Commissioners, and prepare an
Answer to those Papers which were now delivered to the
Committee of both Houses, and make their Report to the
Houses; and the Committee to meet presently, in the
Painted Chamber.
Message from thence, that the Lords may be desired to return to the King with an Answer.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Sir Peter Wentworth Knight, &c.
To desire their Lordships (fn. *) Concurrence in this Vote;
videlicet,
"That the Select Committee may presently meet, and,
in the Name of both Houses, desire that their Lordships will forthwith repair to His Majesty with the
Answer already given; and that the Scotts Commissioners may be (fn. †) conferred with herein."
Answer from the H. C.
Mr. Serjeant Whitfield and Dr. Heath return with
this Answer from the House of Commons:
That they will send an Answer to the Message by
Messengers of their own.
Answer to them.
The Answer returned to the Messengers of the House
of Commons was:
That their Lordships will take their Message into
speedy Consideration, and will send an Answer by Messengers of their own (fn. ‡) .
Petition of the Lord Generals Officers, for their Arrears.
A Petition of the Colonel and Captains of the Lord
General's Infantry was read; desiring, "That some
Course may be settled, for the Maintenance of the
Army, and paying their Arrears."
Message from the H. C. for the Committees to meet about the Answer to the Lords from the King.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Denzell Holles Esquire, &c.
That they agree to their Lordships Desire, for meeting of the Committee presently, their Committee being
now ready.
The House was adjourned during Pleasure; and the
Committee of Lords went to meet with the Committee
of the House of Commons and the Commissioners of
the Parliament of Scotland.
Report of the Answer.
The House being resumed, the Earl of Northumb.
reported the Draught of the Answer to be given to the
Duke of Richmond and the Earl of South'ton, to their
Papers delivered in this Day: Which being read, this
House approved; and Ordered, To desire the Concurrence of the House of Commons therein.
Message to the H. C. to concur in it.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr.
Serjeant Whitfield and Dr. Heath:
To communicate this Paper unto the House of Commons, and desire their Concurrence therein; and to let
them know, if they cannot give an Answer to it presently, that they would give an Answer on Monday
Morning.
Message from thence, to the same Effect.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Denzell Holles Esquire, &c.
To desire their Lordships Concurrence in an Answer
to be given to the Duke of Richmond and the Earl of
South'ton to their Two Papers; and desire that the
Committee may meet presently, and deliver it, if their
Lordships concur.
The Answer was read, as followeth:
Answer to the Paper delivered by the Lords who are come from the King.
"My Lords,
"The Desire expressed in the last Papers given in by
your Lordships is a Part of His Majesty's Message of
the 13th of December, and concerns the Manner of
Treaty, which (according to the Answer already given)
will require some Time to be resolved upon; and
therefore it is the Desire of both Houses of Parliament, and of the Commissioners of the Parliament of
Scotland, that your Lordships would be pleased speedily
to make your Repair unto His Majesty with the
Answer already given to His Majesty's Message
brought by your Lordships."
Delivered to them.
The Lords Committees went to meet with the Committee of the House of Commons, and the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland, to deliver this
Answer to the Duke of Richmond and the Earl of
South'ton.
Adjourn.
House adjourned till 9a, Monday Morning next.