DIE Lunæ, 17 die Martii.
PRAYERS, by Mr. Delmy.
Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Serj. Finch, Leave to be absent.
Ordered, That Mr. Serjeant Fynch hath Leave to
go into Kent, for Ten Days from his going.
The Lord Admiral reported a Paper from the Committee of both Kingdoms; which was read; videlicet,
Paper concerning the French Minister's Desire of transporting Powder from Holland, for the Service of France.
"That the Paper of Monsieur Sabran, of the First
of March, 1644, concerning the transporting of Three
Hundred Thousand Pounds of Powder, by Julian
Lawson, Merchant, of Amsterdam, from divers Places,
and in divers Vessels, for the Service of the King of
France, be reported to both Houses."
Ordered, To communicate this Paper of Monsieur
Sabran to the House of Commons; and desire their Concurrence, that it may be referred to the Committee of
both Kingdoms, to deliver their Opinions to both Houses
what is fit to be done thereupon.
The Speaker acquainted the House with a Paper delivered to him from the Spanish Ambassador, to present
the same to this House.
Paper from the Spanish Ambassador, for Leave to transport some Irish into Spain.
The Paper was read; "That he might have Liberty
to transport Irish out of Ireland, for the Service of
the King of Spayne, he having agreed with divers
Commanders about their raising and transporting;
having Licence from the King to that Purpose."
Ordered, To communicate this Paper to the House
of Commons; and desire it may be referred to the Committee of both Kingdoms, to report their Opinions to
both Houses, what is fit to be done thereupon.
Committee for Leicestershire.
Ordered, That this House concurs with the House
of Commons to the Ordinance for the settling of the
Committee of Leycestershire, and desire the Addition of
these Persons following to that Committee:
(Here enter the Names.)
Sir Edward Hartop Knight.
Mr. Tho. Beaumount.
Mr. Wm. Quarles.
Mr. Tho. Goddard.
Mr. Tho. Cotton.
Mr. Wm. Sherman.
Mr. Wm. Danvers.
It was moved, "Whether the Commissioners of the
Great Seal may send a Letter to the Lord Rich, to
answer a Suit in the Chancery commenced against
Lord Rich, Privilege.
And it is Ordered, That he shall enjoy the Privilege
of a Peer; but, if his Lordship sueth any, then the Commissioners shall acquaint this House therewith.
E. of Carlisle, Privilege.
Upon reading the Petition of the Earl of Carlile;
setting forth, "That, by virtue of a Decree in Chancery
against him, by the Creditors of his Father, he is
threatened to have his Person and Goods attached,
he being a Peer of this Realm."
(Here enter the Petition at large.)
It is Ordered, That his Person shall be freed from
all Arrests; and as concerning his Goods, it is referred
to the Consideration of the Committee of Privileges,
who are to report their Opinions to this (fn. *) House concerning the same; and all Proceedings thereupon to be
stayed, until further Directions of this House.
Message from the H. C. for a Conference, about the new Model of the Army.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Sir Rob't Pye Knight:
To desire a Free Conference, concerning the late Conference, touching the List of the new Model of the Army which is to be commanded by Sir Tho. Fairefaxe.
The Answer returned was:
That this House will give a present Free Conference,
in the Painted Chamber, as is desired.
Message to the H. C. with the French and Spanish Ambassadors Papers;
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Dr. Aylett and Dr. Heath:
1. To communicate the Paper of Monsieur Sabran,
and desire their Concurrence, that it be referred to the
Committee of both Kingdoms, to report to both Houses
what (fn. †) they conceive fit to be done thereupon.
2. To deliver the Paper of the Spanish (fn. ‡) Ambassador's
to them; and to desire Concurrence, that it may be referred to the Committee of both Kingdoms, to report to
both Houses what is fit to be done thereupon.
and about the Leicestershire Committee.
3. To let them know, that this House approves of
the Names to be added to the Committee for Leycestershire; and desire Concurrence, in adding the Names of
the Persons this Day agreed upon by this House.
The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the
Lords went to the Conference; which being done, the
House was resumed.
Report of the Conference, concerning the List for the new Model of the Army.
The Speaker reported the Effect of the last Conference: "That the List of Officers nominated by Sir Tho.
Fairefaxe, and approved by the House of Commons,
being sent up to their Lordships, their Lordships were
pleased to disapprove of many of them; whereupon,
at another Conference, the House of Commons gave
their Lordships Reasons why they adhered to their
Approbation; but no Answer is given to those Reasons, nor Notice taken of them. This must make the
Difference endless, and the Ordinance ineffectual,
which is acknowledged to be the chief visible Strength
upon which we are to rely for the Safety of the
Parliament and Kingdom. That Delay giveth Time
to the King to recruit, and Opportunity to break
into the associated Counties; and these Officers which
are mentioned in the List have Commissions, which
they received from the Lord General, the Earl of
Manchester, and Sir Wm. Waller, and have been employed under them, of whom there was never yet
heard any Exception against any One of them.
The House of Commons agrees to their Lordships
Second Reason; and from thence press, that, unless so great Reasons were to be urged against any
of them as might endanger the whole Business, they
conceive it requisite to concur with them, they
having been hitherto employed without an Exception, and having (fn. *) been nominated by Sir Thomas
Fairefaxe; and, upon those Reasons approved by
them, they must not recede from their Approbation without any Reasons at all. Therefore the
House of Commons again (fn. *) desire this Conference,
to satisfy their Lordships, and all the World, that
they are very desirous to use all Ways and Means
to induce their Lordships to concur with the Commons of England, for the saving the Kingdom."
After a serious Debate of this Report, this Question
House divides equally upon the Report.
"Whether this House shall pass this List as it
was presented by Sir Thomas Fairefaix to the
House of Commons, and brought up by the
House of Commons to this House."
And the Contents and Not Contents being even,
the Lord Viscount Say & Seale tendered the Proxy of
the Earl of Mulgrave; but it was alledged, that there
was a General Order, "That no Proxy should be made
Use of;" of which Question was made.
It was the Resolution of the House, That Search
should be made against To-morrow Morning, whether
there be any such Order upon Record; and, in case
there be not, then the Earl of Mulgrave's Proxy to
stand good; and the Question is to be carried in the
Message to the H. C. for a further Conference about this Business.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Mr. Baron Trevor and Dr. Aylett:
To desire them to give a Free Conference, in the
Painted Chamber, To-morrow Morning, at Eleven of the
Clock, touching the Matter of the late Conference.
It was Resolved, That the Answer to be returned to
the Members of the House of Commons, that stayed in
the Painted Chamber for an Answer to this Free Conference, should be, "To acquaint (fn. *) them, that their Lordships have considered of the Matter of this last Conference, but cannot give them a Resolution at this Time."
House adjourned till 9a cras.