House of Lords Journal Volume 7
28 March 1645

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 7: 28 March 1645', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 7: 1644 (1767-1830), pp. 288-290. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=33269 Date accessed: 28 July 2014.


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DIE Veneris, 28 die Martii.

PRAYERS.

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

L. General.
Comes Kent.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Suffolke.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. North.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Berkley.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Wharton.

Message from the H. C. to expedite Sir T. Fairfax's Ordinance.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Stroude:

To desire their Lordships to give Expedition in the Ordinance of additional Power to be given to Sir Tho. Fairefaix.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House will take this Message into speedy Consideration, and send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Message from thence, with Orders, &c.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir John Evelyn Knight;

To desire their Lordships Concurrence in these Particulars following:

1. An Order for granting a Pardon to Thomas Seppens, adjudged to die by the Court Martial.

(Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

2. An Order for enabling the Militia of London and Sub-committees to put in Execution the Ordinance of 27 Feb. 1644, for impressing of Men.

3. An Order for securing the North Sea Fishing.

4. An Ordinance for securing Eighty Thousand Pounds, borrowed of the City.

Read Once.

5. An Oath to be administered to such as come out of the King's Quarters.

6. An Ordinance for raising Monies in the County of Lyncolne, for the Service of that County.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House agrees to the Order for pardoning of Tho. Seppens: To the rest of the Particulars, this House will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Message from the H. C. with an Order, and Papers from the Swedish Minister.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Pierrepont, &c.

To desire Concurrence in these Particulars:

1. An Order concerning the Lady Grace Mannors' paying Money to those Officers as are put off.

(Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

2. The Copy of the Swedish Commissioner's Propositions, presented to the Committee of both Kingdoms the 10th January, 1644.

3. A Translation of the Swedish Commissioner's Proposition.

4. Copy of the Draught of the Letter in Answer to the Propositions of the Sweede's Commissioner's.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House agrees to the Order concerning the Lady Mannors: To the rest of the Particulars, their Lordships will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Captain Hobart's Arrest.

Ordered, That the Cause of James Hobard, between him and the Sheriff of Norwich, shall be heard Tomorrow Morning.

Message from the H. C. with Orders, and to expedite One.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Henry Mildmay Knight;

To desire their Lordships Concurrence in these Particulars:

1. An Order for paying One Thousand Pounds to Sir Gi'b't Gherrard, for paying the Foot at Reading.

(Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

2. An Ordinance for the Commissioners of Excise to advance Two Thousand Pounds, for paying the Lord General's Foot, at Reading and Farnham.

(Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

3. To desire Expedition in the Ordinance for securing the Eighty Thousand Pounds to the City of London.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House agrees to the Two Orders now brought up: As to the Ordinance for securing the Eighty Thousand Pounds, this House will take it into speedy Consideration, and send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Ordinance for Sir T. Fairfax to Command the Army.

The Earl of Denbigh reported from the Committee the Ordinance of additional Power to be given to Sir Tho. Fairefaix; and, upon Consideration, the Committee have made some Alterations and Additions, which they present to the Consideration of the House: And the said Ordinance being read with these Alterations and Additions, it was Agreed to with these Additions and Alterations, and Ordered to be sent to the House of Commons, to desire their Concurrence therein.

Letter from the Parliament of Scotland:

Next, a Letter from the Parliament of the Kingdom of Scotland was read, directed, "To both Houses of Parliament in England." (Here enter it)

It is Ordered, To be communicated to the House of Commons, with this Sense, "That this House apprehends this Letter as a great Expression of their hearty Affection to the Parliament;" and to desire that they may have all fitting Supplies for the Advance of their Army.

Message to the H. C. with it; and Sir T. Fairfax's Ordinance.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page:

To deliver the Ordinance for Sir Tho. Fairefaxe to them; and to desire their Concurrence in the Alterations and Additions.

2. To deliver to them the Letter from the Parliament of Scotland, with the Sense of this House upon it.

Capt. Stone guilty of a Second Contempt, in the E. of Denbigh's Complaint against him.

Upon reading a Letter written to the Earl of Denbigh, and an Affidavit of Marshall, concerning a Second Contempt of Captain Henry Stone, to the Order of this House: It is Ordered, That the said Letter and Affidavit is transmitted to the Consideration of the Committee of both Kingdoms, who had former Orders concerning Captain Henry Stone's Business.

Message from the H. C. with an Ordinance.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Nicolls:

To desire Concurrence in an Ordinance concerning paying Five Hundred Pounds to Serjeant Major General (fn. *) Skippon. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

Ordinance to secure 80,000l. to the City of London.

Next, the Ordinance for securing Eighty Thousand Pounds to the City of London, was read the Third Time, and Agreed to, with the adding of these Lords following to be of the said Committee:

Comes Northumb.
Comes Kent.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Howard.

Message to the H. C. with it;

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Serjeant Whitfeild, &c.

To deliver to them the Ordinance for securing the Eighty Thousand Pounds to the City of London, and desire their Concurrence in the adding the Lords to be of the Committee.

Blakewell's Petition.

Ordered, That Mr. Blakewell's Petition be sent to the House of Commons, with Recommendations, that he may have the Living his Father lately had, at Merstham, in Surrey; that it may be recommended to the Commissioners of the Great Seal, to pass it to him, if it (fn. †) be under the Value.

Seppens pardoned.

"Upon the humble Petition of Thomas Seppens, a Prisoner in Newgate, convicted and adjudged to Death by the Court Martial, and reprieved by Order of both Houses: It is Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the said Thomas Seppens be fully pardoned for his said Offence."

Order for 1000l. for the Foot at Reading.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons, That the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies at Habberdashers Hall do forthwith pay, upon Accompt, unto Sir Gilbert Gerard, Treasurer at Wars, One Thousand Pounds, to be sent to Reading, towards the Pay of the Foot there."

Ordinance for the Commissioners of Excise to reimburse themselves 2000l. advanced to the Lord General's Foot.

"Whereas John Towse Esquire, Alderman of the City of London, and the rest of the Commissioners of Excise and new Impost, have advanced and lent the Sum of Two Thousand Pounds, for furnishing of the Lord General's Foot, now at Reading and Farnham: Be it Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the said Commissioners of the Excise, their Executors or Assigns, respectively, shall and may satisfy and reimburse themselves the said Two Thousand Pounds, together with Interest for the same after the Rate of Eight Pounds per Cent. for so long Time as the same, or any Part thereof, shall be forborn, out of such Intervals of Receipts as shall happen when other Payments already assigned upon the Office of Excise shall not happen to fall due, or, for Want of such Intervals, then as the same shall follow in Course; and shall not, by any other Order or Ordinance of One or both Houses of Parliament, be debarred from reimbursing themselves accordingly; and that the said Commissioners of Excise shall pay the said Two Thousand Pounds unto Sir Gilbert Gerard Treasurer at Wars, whose Receipt shall be a sufficient Discharge to the said Commissioners in that Behalf."

Order for them to reimburse themselves 500l. advanced 10 Major General Skippon.

"Whereas John Towse Esquire, Alderman of the City of London, and the rest of the Commissioners of Excise and new Impost, have advanced and lent the Sum of Five Hundred Pounds, for the Use of Major General Skippon, to be deducted out of the Arrears due unto him: Be it Ordained, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the said Commissioners of Excise, their Executors or Assigns, shall and may satisfy and reimburse themselves the said Five Hundred Pounds, together with Interest for the same after the Rate of Eight Pounds per Cent. for so long Time as the same, or any Part thereof, shall be forborn, out of such Intervals of Receipts as shall happen when other Payments already assigned upon the Excise shall not fall due, or, in Default thereof, then as the same shall follow in Course; and shall not, by any other Order or Ordinance of One or both Houses of Parliament, be debarred from satisfying themselves accordingly; and that the said Commissioners of Excise shall pay the said Five Hundred Pounds to the said Serjeant Major General Skippon, whose Receipt shall be their sufficient Discharge in that Behalf."

Order for 500l. of Lady G. Manners's, for reduced Officers.

"The Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled do hereby accept of the Sum of Three Hundred and Eighty Pounds of the Lady Grace Manners, which she oweth to Sir Lewis Watson; and One Hundred and Twenty Pounds more, to make up the Sum of Five Hundred Pounds; and do remit unto her, and discharge her from, all Inconveniences and Prejudice that she hath or may incur, by paying of One Thousand Seven Hundred Pounds to divers Persons in London, by the Appointment of the said Sir Lewys Watson; and that a Fortnight's Pay shall be forthwith provided, for such Officers as shall go off upon the reducing of the Army; and that this Five Hundred Pounds to be paid in by the Lady Manners shall be employed to this Purpose, and paid to the Sub-treasurer of the Army, to be issued by Warrant from Sir Thomas Fairefax; and that his Acquittance shall be a sufficient Discharge to the said Lady Manners."

Letter from the Parliament of Scotland.

"For the Right Honnorable the Lords and Commons assembled in the Parliament of England, at Westm.

"Right Honnorable,

"Although it pleaseth God to exercise these Nations with the Continuance of their Troubles, yet, wee are confident, it is but to humble and purify them, and thereby fitt them for their Deliverance, and His further Service. Your soe good Progresse in the settling the Affaires of the House of God according to His Will, and our Enemyes aboute His Majesty breakeing of the Treaty, and refuseing the Demaunds of both Kingdomes, soe necessary for the Religion and their Honnor and Security, as it hath more clearly stated the true Question of this Tyme, and evidenced to the World the reall Cause of these Troubles (next to God's Displeasure for our Sinnes, and His Gratious Intention for the Reformation of His Kirke in these Kingdomes); soe wee trust it will engage the Lord of Hosts the more to manifest His Providence and Power, according to His Interest in this Quarrell, against His Enemyes.

"Albeit wee joyned with all our Hearts with you in the Begininge of this Cause, as the Cause of God; soe, as noe Difficultie or Straite shall make us (with God's Assistance) repent thereof, or relent therein, yet wee esteeme the greate Endeavors used in the Treaty to divide these Kingdomes, soe happily united by Solemne League and Covenant, a new Inducement and Obligation lying on us the more neerly to joyne our Affections, Counsells, and Forces, in the Prosecution of this Cause. Wee will leave the Relation of our Affaires to our Commissioners, who will acquaint you and your Committee with the same from Tyme to Tyme. Wee are doeing our best for prepareinge of our Forces that are in England, whereof a Part hath already moved Southward for Assistance of Yorksheir. Wee have appointed a Committee to joyne with my Lord Generall and your Commissioners, for disposeing of our Army, to prosecute the Warre in the best Wayes and Places which shall bee found upon the Place to bee most necessary for the Safety of the Cause and Covenant, releeveing our Freinds, and oposeing the common Enemy; and to the Effect they may bee alsoe able, as wee and they are willing, wee (fn. *) are desireous and confident the Honnorable Houses of Parliament, in their Wisdome, will finde out the effectuall Wayes, by tymeous Supplyes of Money and all other Necessaryes, communicate to you by our Commissioners, for enabling and entertayning them in this Service, according to the Treaty.

"Wee have retourned our Answere to all the particuler Papers presented to us from Sir William Armin your Commissioner, who, for his Fidelity and Painfullnes to preserve a good Correspondence betwixt these Kingdomes, deserves many Thanks from both. Soe, leavyng all other Particulers to the Relation of our Commissioners who are with you, and retourning to you, and who have soe often expressed to us their manifold Obligations to the Honnorable Houses and their Committees, for their tender Respects, and kind Acceptance of their Counsells and Indeavors in our Behalfe, that wee cannott omitt the Retourne of our hearty Acknowledgment for the same. Wee beseech God to direct both Nations, whome He hath soe happily joyned in the Defence of this Cause, to performe cheerfully and really the Dutyes of the Tyme, and to depend upon Himselfe allanerly for the Successe.

Edinburgh, 8 Marcii, 1645.

"Cra Lindesay.

"I. P. D. Parliamenti."

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 9a cras.

Footnotes

* Deest in Originali.
Origin. being.
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