House of Lords Journal Volume 7
2 June 1645

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 7: 2 June 1645', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 7: 1644 (1767-1830), pp. 403-404. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=33325 Date accessed: 21 April 2014. Add to my bookshelf


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DIE Lunæ, 2 die Junii.

PRAYERS, by Dr. Staunton.

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

Comes Northumb.
Comes Kent.
Comes Essex.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Manchester.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Ds. North.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Robertes.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Maynard.

Answer from the H. C.

Mr. Serjeant Fynch and Dr. Aylett return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That they agree to the reducing the Number of the Committee for Forts and Garrisons to Two Lords and Four Commoners; also they agree to the adding the Lord Robertes to the Committee for the Western Affairs: As concerning the Creation-money of the Peers, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Lady Newburgh & al. versus Sir H. Forster.

Upon reading the Petition of Sir Humphry Forster, in Answer to the Lord Northe's Petition, &c.

It is Ordered, That this Business shall be heard on Friday Morning next.

Sir T. Fairfax to raise the Siege of Oxford, on account of the Taking of Leicester.

The Earl of Northumb. reported from the Committee of both Kingdoms, "That, upon the Report of the Taking of Leycester, the said Committee (fn. *) do think it fit that Sir Thomas Fairefaix with his Army before Oxford should rise, and take the Field."

States Ambassador complains of a Letter in a Paper called Mercurius Civicus.

The Earl of Northumb. reported, "That The States Ambassador hath made a great Complaint of a feigned Letter in Mercurius Civicus, supposed to be written from the Parliament to The States, by Way of Complaint against the late Ambassadors as were lately here, which is very scandalous."

Printer, &c. sent for.

Hereupon this House Ordered, That the Printer and the Author shall be sent for, to appear before this House on Wednesday Morning next; and that the Master of the Ceremonies shall repair to The States Ambassador, and acquaint him, that this House did not know of the printing or publishing of this Letter; and that this House hath put it into a Way of Examination, and will do that as shall stand with Justice.

Message from the H. C. with Ordinances, &c.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Nicolls;

To desire their Lordships Concurrence in these Particulars:

1. An Ordinance for Twelve Thousand Pounds, out of the Excise, for the West. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

2. An Ordinance for repairing the Castle of Brounksey, in the County of Dorsett. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

3. A Letter to be written to several Counties, to accommodate the Scottish Army in their March. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

4. An Ordinance for a Committee to regulate the Office of Excise.

Read Twice, and Ordered to be committed to the Committee of the whole House.

5. An Ordinance for enabling the Committee at Goldsmiths Hall with Power to bring in the Twenty-one Thousand Pounds per Mensem, to be paid by a former Ordinance for Maintenance of the Scotts Army.

6. An Ordinance for the more speedy bringing in Monies in Arrear.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That concerning the Ordinance for the more speedy bringing in Monies in Arrear, and the Ordinance to enable the Committee at Goldsmith Hall, &c. and the Ordinance for a Committee to regulate the Office of Excise, their Lordships will take them into Consideration, and send an Answer by Messengers of their own: To all the rest of the Particulars, their Lordships do approve of it.

Walsingham and Baker.

Ordered, That the Cause between Sir Thomas Walsingham and Sir John Baker shall be heard, at this Bar, the 30th Day of this Instant June.

Message to the H. C. for Concurrence in the following Particulars.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Dr. Aylett (fn. *) and Dr. Heath:

1. To desire Concurrence, that the Lord Robertes be added to the Committee of Poole, Lyme, and Plymouth.

2. To desire Concurrence in the Pass for the Countess of Devon to go into France.

3. To desire Concurrence, that John Elliott Esquire be made Vice Admiral for the County of Devon.

Message from thence, to fit a while.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by the Lord Grey of Groby:

To desire their Lordships would please to sit a while, because they are in Debate of some Business of great Importance.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House will sit a while, as is desired.

General Crawford against Man and Moore.

Ordered, That this House will hear the Complaint of Major General Crawford, against Man and Moore, Tomorrow Morning, by Counsel on both Sides.

Message from the H. C. for the Disposal of the Forces to be lest to the Committee of both Kingdoms;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Harley Knight;

To desire their Lordships Concurrence in these Votes following: videlicet,

"Resolved, upon the Question, That the Disposal of all the Forces be wholly left to the Committee of both Kingdoms, notwithstanding any former Order."

Agreed to; with this Addition, ["according to the Ordinance or Ordinances by which the said Committee was constituted"].

for General Browne to be sent to his Command;

"Resolved, &c. That Serjeant Major General Browne be forthwith sent down to his Charge at Abingdon."

Agreed to.

and the Forces to Oxford.

"Resolved, &c. That the Forces formerly designed to be sent to Oxon shall be speedily sent away thither."

Agreed to.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House will send an Answer by Messengers of their own, to the Vote concerning the Committee of both Kingdoms; and this House agrees to the other Votes.

Message to the H. C. with the Vote about the Disposal of the Forces.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Serjeant Whitfield and Mr. Serjeant Fynch:

To desire their Concurrence in the Addition to the Vote concerning the Committee of both Kingdoms to dispose of the Forces. (Here enter it.)

Declaration to The States General and Provincial.

Ordered, To send to the House of Commons Tomorrow, to desire that a Committee of their House may join with a Committee of Lords, to compare the Declaration translated into French, with the English, which is to be sent to The States Ambassadors.

Answers from the H. C.

Dr. Aylett and Dr. Heath returned with this Answer to the Message:

That the House of Commons agrees for adding the Lord Robertes to the Committee for Poole, Lyme, and Plymouth; and to the making Mr. Elliott Vice Admiral of Devon: As touching the Pass for the Countess of Devon, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Mr. Serjeant Whitfield and Mr. Serjeant Fynch return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That they agree to the Addition in the Vote concerning the Committee of both Kingdoms.

Order for 12,000l. for the West, out of the Excise.

"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That Twelve Thousand Pounds shall be paid in Course, unto the Committee for the West, out of the Receipts of the Excise and new Impost, by Ordinance of the 11th of September, 1643, for the Service of the West; and the Commissioners of Excise and new Impost are hereby authorized to pay the said Sum of Twelve Thousand Pounds accordingly, in due Order and Course, unto the said Committee of the West, or to whom they shall appoint to receive the same, next after other Assignments formerly made on those Receipts shall be first satisfied; and the Order of the Committee shall be a sufficient Discharge unto the said Commissioners of Excise, and every of them, for the Payment of the said Twelve Thousand Pounds, or any Part thereof."

Order for repairing Brunksea Castle, in Dorsetshire.

"Whereas Brunksea Castle, in the County of Dorsett (being of special Concernment for the Preservation of the Town and Garrison of Poole in these Times of Danger), is much decayed, and needs present Reparations, and the Soldiers there much behind of their Pay: It is Ordained, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Commissioners for the Excise do give Order unto their Sub-commissioners, in the said County of Dorsett, and Garrison of Poole, to pay unto Henry Harding, Captain of the said Castle of Brunksea, out of the Moiety of the Excise which shall be collected in that County, and Town of Poole, and reserved to the State by an Ordinance of the 12th of April last, the Sum of Three Hundred Pounds, for the repairing of the said Castle, and for Payment of his Men; whose Receipt, with this Order, shall be to them, and every of them, a sufficient Discharge."

Letter to be sent to several Counties, for the accommodating the Scots Army in the March.

"The Scottish Army being forthwith to march Southwards to the Parts about Trent, to join with some of our Forces there, to prevent the Enemy's falling into the Northern Parts, and otherwise to oppose them, and take all Advantages that shall be offered against them; and because (for the present) Money is not ready to make them constant Pay, whereby they might discharge in all Places their Quarters, without being a Spoil and Burthen to the Country, which, we are very sensible, suffers very much by it; and for that it is not possible for them to march or subsist without Victual and other Necessaries for the Life of Man: The Houses have therefore thought fit, and and command us to signify their Pleasure to be, that, for the accommodating and facilitating their March, and for the Ease of the Countries through which they shall pass, and where they shall quarter, that there be sufficient Provision of Victual made for them, and delivered to them, according as they shall appoint, for Kind and Quantity, at the common and current Market Prices in those several Parts; for which the Countries shall be paid, by Defalcation of the Value thereof out of the Monies first to come in from all the Counties and Places upon the Ordinance for the Entertainment of the Scotts Army; the Care whereof the Houses of Parliament do hereby especially recommend unto you, both the Public and yourselves being concerned in the effectual Execution hereof, both for the hastening their March for opposing the Enemy, and preventing the Discontents and Alienation of the People that otherwise will grow by the Spoil of them. This being that which for the present we have in Command from the Houses, we rest

"Your very loving Friends."

Disposal of the Forces to be left to the Committee of both Kingdoms.

"That the Disposal of all the Forces be wholly left to the Committee of both Kingdoms, according to the Ordinance or Ordinances by which the said Committee was constituted; notwithstanding any former Order."

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 9a cras.

Footnotes

* Origin. to.
* Bis in Originali.