House of Lords Journal Volume 7
13 June 1645

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 7: 13 June 1645', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 7: 1644 (1767-1830), pp. 428-430. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=33335 Date accessed: 23 July 2014.


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DIE Veneris, 13 die Junii.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Arrowsmith.

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

Comes Kent.
Comes Essex.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Northumberland.
Comes Nottingham.
Ds. North.
Ds. Robertes.

Angell's Exchange for Ambrose;

It was moved, "That whereas a Warrant was granted, under Prince Rupert's Hand, to Mr. John Angell, Minister, to come to London, to procure his Exchange for Dainiell Ambrose, Doctor in Divinity:"

(fn. *) Then the said Exchange was read.

And this House Agreed to this.

and Grey's for Sir W. Riddell.

The House was further informed, "That an Overture is made, that Mr. Job Grey, Prisoner at Leycester, may be exchanged for Sir Wm. Riddell."

And this House approved of this Exchange.

The Lord Robertes reported as follows:

Members of the Sub-committee of both Kingdoms allowed to report to both House their Negotiations for procuring the delivering up any of the Enemy's Forts, &c.

"Die Jovis, 12 Junii, 1645.

"At the Committee of both Kingdoms, at Derby House.

"Ordered, That it be reported to both Houses, That this Committee hath given Liberty to the Members of the Sub-committee, who had Power to treat for delivering up any considerable Garrison of the Enemy's, or bringing over any considerable Force, and for sending out such as keep Intelligence with the Enemy; that any of the said Sub-committee, it being now dissolved, may give an Account of their Proceedings therein to the Houses, or any Committee appointed by the Houses; and that the Houses be desired to use Expedition in dispatching this Business, for avoiding the Aspersions that may be cast upon the Members of that Sub-committee.

Paper from the Scots Commissioners concerning it.

"That the Paper given in by my Lord Chancellor of Scotland and my Lord Warreston, concerning their Knowledge in this Business, of the Proceedings thereof, be reported to both Houses.

Scots Army advanced to Doncaster.

"That it be reported to both Houses, That the Scottish Army is advanced this Day to Doncaster; and had been further advanced, if Draught-horses and Carriages had been timely provided.

Message from the Ld. Mayor, &c. about regaining Leicester.

"That it be reported to the Houses, That this Committee received a Message from the Lord Mayor and Court of Aldermen of London, desiring that some Forces might be employed for the re-gaining of Leycester: To which the Committees returned Answer, That they knew no such probable Way for the effecting thereof, as to encourage the Advance of the Scotts Army Southward; that there was a great Arrear due to the Scotts Army; and that Four Months of the Ordinance for their Monthly Entertainment was near past; that therefore this Committee did earnestly recommend it to the Lord Mayor and Court of Aldermen, to think of some Way for advancing a Month's Pay to that Army, upon the Security of the Ordinance, for their Monthly Entertainment, whereof Ten Thousand Pounds was due by the City of London.

Committee to treat with the City, for a Month's Pay for the Scots.

"And that both Houses be desired to appoint a Committee, to treat with the Lord Mayor and Court of Aldermen and Common Council, for this Month's Pay, upon Security of the Ordinance.

"Gualter Frost, Secretary."

"The Paper given in by my Lord Wareston to the Committee of both Kingdomes, 12 Junii, 1645, together with my Lord Chancellor's Declaration.

Paper from the Scots Commissioners concerning the Sub-committee of both Kingdoms negotiating for the Delivery of some of the King's Forts, &c.

"All my Knowledge concerning the Sub-comitte is this only, That this Sub-comittee was made first, and then renewed, without putting any of our Number upon it; yea, none of us remarking that such a Thing was appointed: That, within Two Daies after the renewing of it, some of the Members of the Houses in this Comittee called for the Order, and desired some of our Number to be added; whereupon, about the 7th of May, my Lord Chancellor was added, and I in his Lordship's Absence: That, untill the Afternoone wherein the Report was made to the Comittee, being the Sixth of June, I was never called to that Sub-committee: That, the Day before the Reporte, my Lord Say was pleased to tell me thus in generall, "That the Busines was some Overtures for the surrendring of Oxford, and bringing over to the Parliament some of the King's Horse; and that he would take some Tyme to comunicate the Particulers to my Lord Chancellor and me:" That, at that Meeting, imediately before the Reporte, my Lord Say told me, "That it was Goring's Horse should be brought over; that Colonel Legg was the Man who should surrender Oxford; and that my Lord Savill was the Man who did dealt with the one and the other, and who assured him of it; as alsoe that he had revealed to a Lady, by deciphering a Letter come to him from Oxford, that Holles was the Man who kept Weekely Correspondence with Digby; but withall, that now he heard the Busines would fayle:" Wereupon we all resolved, for preventing Jealousies and Misereports of the Sub-comittee, to make our Reporte to the Committee, and to desire the vacating of that Order, and to speake nothing of Mr. Holles, because we conceved there was no sufficient Ground to call any Man's Name in Question, or make it good; and soe the Reporte was made. Since the Reporte Yesterday Night, my Lord Say was pleased to tell me the rest of the Circumstances, which now his Lordship reports to the Comittee; and to shew to me my Lord Savile's Letter to my Lady Temple.

"The Lord Chancellor of Scotland did further declare, "That he did not know that there was any such Sub-comittee appointed, [ (fn. *) nor any such Order or Power given to them; nether when it was first appoynted], nor when it was againe renewed; but that his First Knowledge of it was upon the Seventh of May, at which Tyme he and my Lord Wareston were added to that Sub-comittee; but that he was never called to that Sub-comittee, nor did meete with them, nor knowe any Thinge at all of the Busines till the Sub-comittee was vacated; after which Tyme, my Lord Say was pleased to acquaint him therewith."

Message to the H. C. with these Papers;

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page:

To communicate the aforesaid Papers reported from the Committee of both Kingdoms this Day.

to expedite Mr. Porter's Ordinance, to be Vicar of Plymouth;

2. To desire they would give Expedition to an Ordinance formerly sent down to them, concerning the Vicarage of Plymouth.

and about the foregoing Exchanges;

3. To desire Concurrence, that Mr. John Angell, Minister, may be exchanged for Daniell Ambrose, Doctor in Divinity; and that Mr. Job Grey may be exchanged for Sir Wm. Riddeall.

Mrs. Smith's Petition, to compel her Husband to pay her an Allowance.

Upon reading the Petition of Eliz. Smyth; complaining, "That she had an Order of the Council Table, that her Husband should pay her Forty (fn. *) Pounds per Annum for her Maintenance, which now he refuseth to pay; therefore desires Relief from this House."

It is Ordered, That the Consideration of this Petition is referred to the Committee for Petitions; and the Judges to attend.

Lady Delawar's Privilege, in a Suit in Chancery, to be considered.

Upon Report of the Earl of Kent, "That the Commissioners of the Great Seal are petitioned to grant a Letter, to summon the Lady Ella Ware to appear, and answer a Bill in Chancery."

And it is Ordered, That she being the Wife of a Peer of this Realm, that this Business be considered of by the Committee for Privileges, who are to meet on Monday next, at Two of the Clock in the Afternoon; and Report to be made to this House thereof. The Earl of Kent to be added to that Committee.

Message from the H. C. to fit a white.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Harley:

To desire their Lordships would please to fit a while.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House will fit a while, as is desired.

Message from the H. C. with Ordinances.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir John Evelyn Knight;

To desire their Lordships Concurrence in these Particulars:

1. An Ordinance for sending out a Regiment of Dragoons, for Relief of the Brigade at Taunton. (Here enter it.)

Read Thrice, and Agreed to.

2. An Ordinance for the associating the several Counties of Yorke, Lancaster, Nottingham, Bishopric of Durham, Northumb. Cumberland, and Westm'land.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House agrees to the Ordinance for the Regiment of Dragoons; as concerning the Northern Ordinance, their Lordships will take it into Consideration, and send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Rule & al. for disturbing the Countess, of Sussex's Fishery at Burnham, released.

Upon reading the Petition of Edward Rule, John Andrewes, Jeremiah Haukin, John Robjohn, and Ric'd Robjohn, promising never for the Time to come to offend in any of the Fishings of the Countess of Sussex; and this House being informed that they have given Satisfaction to the said Lady: It is Ordered, That the said Petitioners shall be released from their Imprisonment, paying their Fees.

The Earl of Warwicke reported as follows:

"Die Martis, 10 Junii, 1645.

Committee of the Admiralty to grant Passes for Merchants, &c. to go beyond Sea.

"At the Committee of Lords and Commons for the Admiralty and Cinque Ports.

"Whereas this Committee are frequently moved to grant Passes, for divers Persons to go beyond Seas; Ordered, That both Houses be desired to signify their Pleasure in that Behalf; this Committee being unwilling to take upon them to grant such Passes till the Parliament's Pleasure be particularly declared, though they conceive that Power is intended them, as belonging to the Lord Admiral; and the Earl of Warwicke is desired to move the same in the House of Peers."

Ordered, That this House thinks it fit that the said Committee have Power to grant Passes for Merchants; and the Concurrence of the House of Commons desired herein.

Scots Officers Petition for Supplied.

Upon reading the Petition of divers Scottish Officers; desiring, "That some Consideration may (fn. *) be had of them, for supplying of their great Wants and Necessities."

It is Ordered, That this Petition be specially recommended to the House of Commons, that they would give some speedy Relief to the pressing Necessities of the Petitioners.

Order for Forces under Colonel Webb, to march to the Relief of Taunton.

"Whereas the Committee of the Militia of London, and the Parts adjacent, within the Lines of Communication and Parishes mentioned in the Weekly Bills of Mortality, according to the Desire of the House of Commons, dated the 17th of June Instant, have provided a Regiment of Dragoons, consisting of Five Hundred mounted Musketeers, or more, for this present Expedition into the West, for the Relief of the Brigade at Taunton; towards the Charge whereof, divers Sums have been voluntarily subscribed and collected, in the City of London, and within the Lines of Communication and Parishes mentioned in the Weekly Bills of Mortality, and Hamlets of The Tower: It is Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the said Committee shall have Power, and are hereby authorized, to send forth the said Regiment, under the Command of Colonel Webb, and such other Officers as they shall think fit, and cause them to march unto, and join with, other Forces, under the Command of Colonel Massy, or any other Commander in Chief appointed by the Two Houses of Parliament, or by the Committee of both Kingdoms, for the Service aforesaid; which being performed, the said Committee shall have Power to give Order to the said Colonel Webb, to march back, with his said Regiment, to London, and the Parts adjacent: And it is further Ordained, by the said Lords and Commons, That the whole Money now collected by Way of Contribution shall be employed upon the Forces now set forth by the Committee of the Militia, and for the Relief and Service of Taunton; and that what the Charge of this Expedition shall exceed the Money so collected as aforesaid, shall be paid and satisfied by an Assessment to be laid by Authority of Parliament, according to the new Establishment of the Army under the Command of Sir Thomas Fairefax; and the said Committee, and their Subcommittees, and all other Persons acting in the Premises, shall be saved harmless, by Authority of both Houses of Parliament."

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 9a cras.

Footnotes

* Origin. That.
* Bis in Originali.
* Deest in Originali.
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