DIE Sabbati, 5 die Julii.
Prayers, by Mr. Cawdrey.
Viscount Say & S.
Message to the H. C. for an Answer about Hancock.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Mr. Serjeant Fynch
To desire that they would give an Answer to the former Message, concerning Hancoke; and now to desire
again their Concurrence in the Votes sent down.
That the House of Commons hath put the Business
in some Way of a Dispatch; and that they will send an
Answer by Messengers of their own.
Message from the H. C. for L. Savill to be examined by a Committee of their House.
A Message of the House of Commons, sent up by Mr.
Nicholes and others:
That the House of Commons desires that the Lord
Savill may be brought to a Committee of that House, to
be examined in some Matters that concern Members of
the House of Commons.
The Lords will return an Answer hereunto by Messengers of their own.
Col. Morgan to have Col. Massey's Regiment.
Resolved, That Colonel Thomas Morgan, Governor of
Glouc. shall be Colonel of the Foot Regiment that was
formerly Colonel Masseye's, and Captain of a Troop of
Horse; and that the Committee of both Kingdoms do
grant him Commissions accordingly.
Answer from the H. C.
Mr. Doctor Aylett and Mr. Doctor Heath, sent to the
House of Commons with the Petition of the Widows of
Commanders slain in the Parliament's Service; (fn. *) and that
the House of Commons will give them Relief according
to their Rights.
Message to them, that the Lords leave it to L. Savill, whether he will be examined by their Committee.
After long Debate in the Business concerning the Lord
Savill, the House Resolved as followeth; which was
sent to the House of Commons, for their Concurrence,
by Mr. Serjeant Finch and Mr. Dr. Heath; (videlicet,)
"The Lords having received a Message from the
House of Commons this Morning, concerning the examining of the Lord Savil of some Matters that
concerns Members of that House; their Lordships
do leave it to the Lord Savill, to be examined as the
House of Commons do desire, if he shall think fit."
Ordered, That the Lieutenant of The Tower shall
bring the Lord Savill to a Committee of the House of
Commons, when it shall be desired, and return him
Message from the H. C. about the following Particulars.
A Message from the House of Commons, by Sir John
Wray & al.
1. Resolved, That Captain Barbe be Governor of
South'ton. (Enter it.)
2. Lincoln, One Hundred and Twenty Horse, &c.
3. That the Lords will pass the Articles for the
4. And that the Lords will name Commissioners to
send into Scotland.
The Lords concur in the Two former; in the latter,
they will return Answer by Messengers, &c.
Report of the Conference about Carlisle.
Report was made touching Carlile; and the Nine
Letters were read.
The Votes, in Two several Papers, were read.
The Earl of Northumb'land produced Two Papers,
sent from the Scotts, whereof that concerning Carlile
was read. (Enter it.)
Part of the large Treaty was read, touching the
Garrisons of Barwicke and Carlile.
And, after long Debate touching the First Vote, it
was Resolved, To be put off till Monday.
Committee to meet with One of the H. C. to prepare Instructions for Commissioners to be sent to Scotland.
Lords Commitees appointed by this House, to meet
with a proportionable Number of the House of
Commons, to prepare Instructions, to be sent
with the Commissioners of both Houses to the
Parliament of Scotland; (videlicet,)
E. of Northumb'land.
|L. Viscount Say & S.
Their Lordships, or any Three, to meet, with a
proportionable Number of the House of Commons, at Three of the Clock this Afternoon, in
the Prince's Lodgings.
Resolved, by this House, That Two Lords shall be
sent, with a proportionable Number of the House of
Commons, to the Parliament of Scotland, concerning
Carlile; and such Instructions as both Houses shall think
fit, for the better settling and continuing the Union between the Two Kingdoms; but the Lords are not yet
Message to the H. C. about it; and for Devereux to be Rector of Gateshead.
Mr. Doctor Aylett and Mr. Doctor Heath sent to the
House of Commons:
That the Lords have named Eight of their House, to
meet with a proportionable Number of the House of
Commons; the Quorum to be Three of their Lordships;
to meet this Afternoon, in the Prince's Lodgings, to
prepare Instructions, to be sent, with Commissioners of
both Houses, to the Parliament of Scotland; and that
the said House would appoint a proportionable Number
of their Members accordingly.
As also, that the Lords have Resolved of the Number
of Two, to be Commissioners to go into Scotland; and
desire likewise that they would name a proportionable
Number of their House.
The Lords then sent a Petition and Order, "That
Jonathan Devereux might be Rector of Gateside,
alias Gatishead;" and desire their Concurrence therein.
Capt. St. Barbe, to be Governor of South'ton.
"The Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled
do hereby approve of Captain St. Barbe, to be
Governor of South'ton; and that the Committee of
both Kingdoms do grant him a Commission accordingly."
Order to raise 500 Horse, in the associated Counties of Essex, Suffolk, Norfolk, &c.
"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the several Proportions of
Horse here under-written shall be forthwith raised
by the several Counties, to be employed at Grantham, or thereabouts, for the Defence of the associated Counties:
"Lyncolne, One Hundred and Twenty Horse.
"Essex, One Hundred Horse.
"Suffolke, One Hundred Horse.
"Norffolke, One Hundred Horse.
"Hertford, Thirty-two Horse.
"Cambridge and the Isle of Elye, Thirty-two Horse.
"Huntington, Sixteen Horse."
Committees added to the Northern Association.
"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That Sir Henry Vane Senior, Mr.
Holles, Sir Martin Lyster, Mr. Thom. Grantham, Sir
Will'm Armyn, and Mr. Robert Fenwick, be added to
the Committee of the Northern Association; and to
have full Power for the Military Affairs in that Association, to all Intents and Purposes, as if they had
been nominated in the said Ordinance lately passed
for the Northern Association."
Votes from the H. C. for removing the Scots Garrison from Carlisle, and putting an English One there; to communicate this to the Scots Commissioners here; and to send Commissioners to the Parliament of Scotland about it.
"Resolved, c. That the Scotts Garrison now in
Carlile, put in there without the Consent of the Parliament of Engl. be forthwith removed, in Pursuance
of the large Treaty of both Kingdoms."
"Resolved, c. That Committees of both Houses
be forthwith sent to the Parliament of Scotl. with this
Resolution concerning Carlile, and such other Instructions as both Houses shall think fit, for the better
settling and continuing the Union between the Two
"Resolved, &c. That the Lords be desired to name
a Committee of the Lords House, to meet with a
proportionable Number of this House, to prepare
Instructions, to be sent with the Committees of both
Houses to the Parliament of Scotland."
"Resolved, &c. That this Resolution concerning
Carlile shall, in the mean Time, be communicated to
the Scotts Commissioners here."
"Resolved, &c. That in case the Lords do agree
that a Committee of both Houses shall be forthwith
sent to the Parliament of Scotland, that the Lords be
desired to consider of, and name, the Number and
Persons of the Lords House, that are to be sent
Agreed to, as to the Number of Two.
Paper from the Scots Commissioners, to shew the Necessity of continuing a Scots Garrison in Carlisle.
"Seing Carlile is now reduced unto the Obedience of
the Kinge and Parliament, wee are desired, by the
Committee of Estates of the Parliament of Scotland
residinge with the Scottish Army, to represent, by your
Lordships and these Gentlemen, to the Honorable
Houses of Parliament, the Necessity of contynuing a
Scottish Garrison there for the present; not only upon
the Reasons expressed in our Paper of the 24th of
June, given in to the Houses, which they have seene
and considered, but also upon the Ground of mutuall Confidence, against all Tentations, Jealousies,
and sinister Suspitions to the contrary, which prevayleth with them as much as any other Reasons
whatsoever; and without which they see not a possible
Way how this Warr can be followed to any good
"That their Army is now, according to the Desires
of the Parliament, upon their March towards Worcester, neerer the Enemy, and further from Home,
with Resolution to spend their Bloud, and hazard their
Lives, in the Common Cause, and for the Publique
Service of this Kingdome, which they esteeme to be
the greatest Demonstration of Trust and Confidence
upon their Part; and therfore that they cannot at
such a Time expect that the Houses of Parliament will
distrust them with the keepinge of a Garrison upon
the Borders of Scotland, meerely for the securinge the
Peace of their native Kingdome, and what at Home
is deerest unto them, in such a Place as hath infested
that Kingdome formerly since the Begining of this
Warre, and may still be an Inlett of Troubles unto
them, while they are not free from Troubles in the
"If any ungrounded Suspicion or Jealousy, against
their mutuall Confidence, and the Experience of their
former Integrity, shall possess any Man's Mynde, they
make Offer of whatsoever just and reasonable Security
can be devised, for deliveringe up of Carlile, to be disposed upon according to the Treaty, so soone as it
shall please God to put an happy End to this Warre.
"And they desier it may be considered, that their
Trust and Considence hath made them (contrary to the
Practise of Armies in such Cases) more carefulle and
forward to advaunce in this Publique Service, then
to trouble the Houses of Parliament with solliciting
or providing for Townes or Forts for their Safty and
Retreate, being willinge to cast theirselves upon Divine Providence, and the Faithfullnes of their Brethren,
and desiringe only that which they conceive to be necessary for the Quietnes of their owne Myndes from
Daingers behinde them, and for the Security of their
native Kingdome, in the Midst of so many other
Troubles as they are exercised with at this Time by
the Pleasure of God.
"Concerning the Proceedings of the Forces aboute
Carlile, and the Conditions graunted by them for the
rendringe of it, although wee have not received Information aboute all the Perticulers, yet wee are acquainted with so much as may make us confident to
give Satisfaction, and therfore to desier that the
Honorable Houses of Parliament may suspend their
Judgement till the full Information cominge to our
Hands may be comunicated to them."
Letter from the Committee in Cumberland, that they are going to treat with Sir T. Glemham, to surrender Carlisle.
"To the Right Honourable the Lords and others
of the Committee of both Kingdoms with the
"My Lords and Gentlemen,
"At our coming to Penrith in Cumberland on Saturday last, we understood by Sir Wilfred Lawson, that
Sir Thomas Glemham and the rest in Carlyle had an
Inclination to treat about Carlyle; but they made
great Doubt and Scruple what Assurance they might
have, Conditions should be performed, in case any
should be agreed on: To this we advised Sir W'fred
Lawson to return Answer, That, if he pleased to send
out a Gentleman of Trust and Quality, we should
endeavour to give Satisfaction in that Particular; or,
if they pleased, they should have a Pass for him, to
go to the Earl of Leven, my Lord Fairfax, and the
Committee of both Kingdoms, that so the least
Shadow of any Scruple or Doubt in that respect
might be fully removed. We earnestly desire a speedy
Dispatch in this Particular; and we shall not be wanting on our Parts to prosecute this Business to Effect.
"Your humble Servants,
Penrith, June 17th, 1645.
"W. Armyn. H. Darley.
Their Letter to the E. of Leven, on the same Subject; and that they would take Care of the
"For his Excellency the Earl of Leven.
"May it please your Excellency,
"We came to Penrith on Saturday at Night; and
the next Day understood by Sir Wilfrid Lawson (who
had sent into Carlile the Night before, to discover
Entertainment of the Scots Forces in these Parts.
whether they had any Disposition to treat or no), that
the main Difficulty which stuck with Sir Thomas Glemham was, to know what Security he might have, for
the Performance of Conditions, in case he should
treat: To which, Answer was returned, That, if he
sent any Gentleman out to us, we should endeavour
his Satisfaction in that Particular; with which we did
acquaint the Lord Kircudbright (who we met Yesterday
at Dalston) and the rest of the Commanders of your
Forces about Carlile, from whom we have received
some Propositions for the Maintenance of your People
about Carlile; and have appointed the Committees
of Cumberland and Westm'land to be with us at Penrith
on Wednesday next, when we shall endeavour (the best
we can) to get some Accommodation for your Forces,
until the Parliament shall appoint some further Order;
and in the mean Time we thought fit to send this
Gentleman, Captain Hudson, along with Captain Phillipson and Major Macburney, to know your Excellency's Pleasure, and the Committee of both Kingdoms, for the Satisfaction of Sir Thomas Glemham and
the rest in Carlile, before there be the least Entry
of any Treaty whatsoever with them: And we intreat
as speedy a Dispatch as may be; and a safe Return
of these Messengers, for whom we have undertaken;
"Your Lordship's humble Servants,
Rose Castle, 17th June, 1645.
"W. Armyn. H. Darley.
"For the Right Worshipfull Sir Will'm Armyne,
and the other Commissioners of Parliament, at
"I received yours of the 17th and of the 18th of this
Instant, by which I perceive your Care and Dilligence
for a Way of present Enterteynment of our Forces
aboute Carlile, hoping for the Contynuance thereof
untill the further Declaration of the Pleasure of the
Honorable Houses of Parliament; beinge confident
that it was never their Meaning that those Forces
should be reducted to such Extreamities, as neither to
have Pay nor Enterteynment. As for a Treaty and
Capitulation with the Towne of Carlile, if Captain
Phillipson had come hither, I should have better knowne
what Answer to have retorned to his Propositions; the
Perticulers whereof I know not, and so can make no
Reply to them. But I trust by this Time you know
my Desires from Lieutenant Gennerall Lesley, whome
I sent with Power and Instructions for mannadging of
that Busines; beinge confident of a faire Complyance
and good Agreement betwixt you and him, which is
very much desired by
"Your assured Freind to serve you,
Nottingham, 23th June, 1645.
Letter from the Committee at York, to the Committee in Cumberland, about the same.
"For our Honourable Friends Sir Will'm Armyn,
and the rest of the Commissioners for the Parliament of Engl. at Penrith.
"This Day Captain Phillipson, Captain Hudson, and
the Scotts Major, came to us, whose joint Discourse
was, That Captain Phillipson came from Sir Thomas
Glemham at Carlile, to know, That if in case he should
be inforced to surrender that Town, then to whom,
and upon what Conditions, that he might rely upon.
Captain Phillipson demanded some Writing under our
Hand to Sir Tho. Glemham; but we see no Cause to
satisfy him therein, in regard we only received a verbal
Message from him. We have written to the Earl of
Leven, desiring his Opinion and Advice in this Business;
which as soon as we receive, we shall acquaint you
with it. We only told Captain Phillipson, that what
shall be undertaken by us shall be faithfully performed.
Here inclosed we send a Copy of the Articles for the
Rendition of this City; and remain
"Your very affectionate Friends,
York, the 21th of June, 1645.
E. of Leven's Answer to L. Fairfax.
(fn. *) "For the Right Honourable the Lord Fairfax.
"I wish the Messinger who came from Sir Thomas
Glemham had come forward to this Place, by whome
I might have knowne the Perticulers of the Message
more clereely then I can understand by your Lordship's
Letter, which mentioneth a strange Offer; whereunto if your Lordship know not what Reply to make,
I can farr less know, who have not spoken with the
Messinger: Howsoever, I have sent Liuetenant Gennerall Lesley, with Power from me, concerning that
Treaty and Capitulation with the Towne of Carlyle;
trusting there shall be such a Complyance and Agreement betwixt him and the Commissioners of the Parliament upon the Place, as shall give Satisfaction to all
who are concerned in this Busines. And so I remaine
"Your Lordship's humble Servant.
Nottingham, 23th June, 1645.
"I must entreate your Lordship, because there
be some Lords and others coming heere to
the Committee at the Army, and wee will
possibly remove at a farther Distance, that
your Lordship would afford them a safe
Convoy, as they shall acquaint yow."
From the Committee at York, to the Committee in Cumberland.
"For the Honourable Sir Wm. Armyn Baronet,
Henry Darley, Rich'd Barwis, Esquires, Commissioners of Parliament, at Penrith.
"This Day my Lord Fairfax and Sir Will'm Constable
began their Journey towards London; and this Evening, about Eight of the Clock, a Letter directed to
the Lord Fairfax, whereof the inclosed is a true Copy,
was delivered to me by Captain Hudson; which I presumed to open, conceiving it to be an Answer to the
Letter my Lord Fairfax, Sir Wm. Constable, and myself,
writ to the Earl of Leven, concerning the Message
delivered to us by Captain Phillipson. I have now
writ to my Lord Fairfax at Hull, and sent him that
Letter. Captain Hudson will inform you, that, before
he came to the Lord Leven, he had dispatched Lieutenant General Lesley with Capitulations concerning
Carlile. I suppose my Lord Fairfax, and the rest of
the Committee here for the War, will much resent
their Neglect by the Earl of Leven, in his not acquainting them with any Particulars of the Capitulation; but it may be you have received therein
more Satisfaction, which I heartily wish. I shall only
further trouble you with my Opinion, that the Pretermission of us is not so dishonourable to us, as the
Rendition of Carlile to the Scotts will be dangerous,
in regard of the great Discontent of all the North
Parts therewith; which I submit to your further Debate and better Judgement, and remain
"Your humble Servant,
Yorke, this 24th of June, about 11 of the Clock at Night.
From the Committee in Cumberland, to L. G. Lesley, protesting against any Treaty with Sir T. Glemham, for Surrender of Carlisle, that is concluded without their Consent and Privity.
"For the Honourable Lieutenant General David
According to your Appointment by Captain Stodard, we came to Hescatt, to have met you, this Day,
at One of the Clock; but, within less than One Mile
of that Place we met a Servant of yours, with your
Letter, That you had made an Appointment with Sir
Tho. Glemham, to meet with him about that Hour;
and we cannot but think it very strange, that you
should so frequently, and those under your Commands,
have Intercourse with our Adversaries, without acquainting us in the least Measure with your Agitations; when we have acquainted my Lord Kircudbright with all our Proceedings ever since our coming
into these Parts, and did expect the same Course
should have been continued still: But, since it is not,
we must let you know, in the Name of both Houses
of Parliament (who have sent us here at present to
supply the Place of their General in these Northern
Parts), that whatsoever is done concerning the Town
of Carlile without our Knowledge and Consent, we
do hereby protest against it, and desire you to advise
well of the Treaty betwixt both Nations, and the
solemn National Covenant, that there be nothing
wanting on your Part (as there shall be none on ours)
to preserve that mutual Concord, Correspondency, and
good Agreement, which all honest and true-hearted
Men, and Men of Honour, will labour to preserve to
their Lives End. We have sent Captain Hudson, to
satisfy Sir Tho. Glemham, that, if he treat with us
concerning the Delivery of Carlile upon honourable
and just Terms, he shall be sure to have them observed
by us, and as far as the Parliament of England hath
any Power. We do expect Captain Phillipson should
have the Benefit of his Passes under our Hands, my
Lord Kirkudbright's, the Lord Fairfax, and the Committee at Yorke; otherwise we must use the best Means
we can to those that may do both you and us Right.
We do not understand why you should trouble yourself to send a Horse-guard where Colonel Lawson's
Regiment lies; for, if you think that Post too weak,
we can command more Men thither when we please.
Sir, we desire you to take these Things seriously into
your Consideration and Advertisement. We came here
into this Country at the earnest Intreaty of his Excellency the Lord General Leven, and for the Service of
the Parliament and your Army; but not to be affronted;
for (the Lord's Name be praised) we are not yet in
so low a Condition, but we can requite Courtesies, and
be sensible of Injuries. We cannot give you a Meeting
To-morrow, because it is a Day appointed by the Parliament for a Thanksgiving for the late Victory against
the King's Forces; but intend to be at Rose Castle at
Night. We rest
Hescatt, 26 June, 1645.
"Your humble Servants,
"W. Armyne. H. Darley.
Letter from the Committee in Cumberland, to Sir Tho. Glemham, about his delivering up Carlisle.
"For the Honourable Sir Tho. Glemham, at Carlile.
"Upon the Return of Captain Hudson unto us, we
have thought fit to send him to you, to let you know
that what honourable Conditions shall be agreed upon
betwixt us, concerning the Town of Carlile, they shall
be performed and observed as far as both Houses of
the Parliament of England hath Power. We rest
Penrith, 26th June, 1645.
"Your humble Servants,
"W. Armin. H. Darley.
From the Committee in Cumberland, to Lt. General Lesley, desiring an English Governor and Garrison may be put into Carlisle.
"For the Honourable Lieutenant General David
"There is a general Report that you have agreed
and concluded on Articles with Sir Thomas Glemham,
for rendering the Town of Carlyle; if it be so, you
know very well, it is without our Knowledge and
Advice what hath passed betwixt you; and, so soon as
it shall be in your Power, we do hereby demand that
an Englishman may be Governor of Carlile, and such
English Forces put into it as may be thought fit to
secure that Place, until the Pleasure of the Parliament
be further known; for we conceive you are in the
Parliament's Service. To this we expect your Answer;
Penrith, 27th June, 1645.
"W. Armyne. H. Darley.
From Sir Tho. Glemham to the Committee in Cumberland, that he will surrender the Town only to a General.
"For the Honourable Sir Wm. Armyne, and the rest
of the Commissioners of the Parliament, at
"When I heard last from you, you engaged yourselves unto me, you would assure the Consents of my
Lord Leven and my Lord Fairfax, for the rendering
of this Town on honourable Conditions unto the English
Forces before it, when Necessiry might inforce us to
it. To that End, Captain Phillipson was employed by
me (by your Desire) unto them both: His Journey hath
been uneffectual, and himself is detained, having your
Pass withall. You stop several of our Prisoners, whose
Ransoms are already paid by us unto Colonel Briggs,
by his Desire, and the Consent of your Officers.
You have written now, that what honourable Conditions I shall make with you concerning the Surrender
of this Place shall be confirmed by both Houses of
Parliament. The former are not made good; and
I have no Assurance from any One General of the
latter by your Letters. If Necessity compels me to
capitulate for the Render of this Town, you may assure
yourselves it shall be to those that shew me the Assurance of a General for it, from whom I may expect Performance of Conditions. Thus rests
Carlile, June 26th, 1645.
"Your humble Servant,
From the Committee in Cumberland, to the Speaker of the H. C. about this Business.
"For the Honourable Wm. Lenthall Esquire,
Speaker of the House of Commons in Westm'r.
For the Service of the Parliament. Haste,
Haste, Post Haste.
"W. Armyn. H. Darley.
"At the earnest Desire of his Excellency the Lord
General Leven, and for his better Encouragement to
march Southward, it was thought fit, by my Lord
Fairfax and the rest of the Committee at Yorke, that
we should make a Journey into Cumberland, to try if
we could get any Maintenance for the Scotts Forces
before Carlile, that so the Siege might be continued
there; as also to see in what Condition that Place
"On Saturday the 14th of this Month, we came to
Penrith; and, by the Way as we came, we sent to Sir
Wilfred Lawson (who commanded all the English Forces
before Carlile) to take Occasion to send into Carlile,
and to learn their Condition; which accordingly he
did, and returned us Answer, That if they might
have Assurance, that, whensoever they did treat, the
Articles agreed on might be observed, they did seem
to incline to Terms of Agreement, if they might be
fully satisfied in that Point. We presently replied, "That if Sir Thomas Glemham would (fn. *) send
out any Person of Trust to speak with us, we would
endeavour his Satisfaction; or, if he had a Desire,
we would give that Party a Pass, to go to my Lord
Fairfax, the Committee of both Kingdoms residing at
Yorke and with the Scotch Army, and to his Excellency the Lord General Leven, that he might be fully
satisfied in that Particular, how honourable Conditions
should be observed, when any were agreed on. For
this Purpose, Captain Phillipson was sent out from Sir
Thomas Glemham to us, with a Desire that he might
have a Pass, to go as above-mentioned. We acquainted
my Lord Kircudbright therewith, who commanded the
Scotch Forces in Chief, and who signed Captain
Phillipson's Pass with us; and the Letters we wrote to
the Committees of both Kingdoms, and my Lord General Leven. We sent Captain Hudson, the Bearer
hereof, along with Phillipson; and the Lord Kircudbright sent Major Mackburney: But when they came
to Yorke the General was advanced into Nottingham;
and so Captain Phillipson returned, in regard (as he
faith) his Pass was but for Yorksh'r only; though, we
are confident, my Lord Fairfax and the rest of the
Committee at Yorke, would have given him a Pass for
Nottingham, if he had desired it. My Lord Fairfax, and
the rest of the Committee, then wrote back again unto
us, they should have Performance of such honourable
Conditions as should be agreed upon betwixt us; but
concerning my Lord General Leven's Answer thereunto, we shall shew you his Letter under his own
Hand, so soon as we can wait upon you, which shall
be with all possible Diligence; in the mean Time the
Copy. Whilst these Things were in Agitation, the
Lieutenant General David Lesley comes back from the
Army, and stopped Captain Phillipson upon his Return
(notwithstanding his Passes), in regard as he faith he
had not been with the Lord of Leven. We wrote to the
Lieutenant General to give us a Meeting upon Thursday
the 26th of June; and he sent us Word he would
meet us at the Time and Place appointed. When we
came within less than Half a Mile of the Place, a
Servant of his met us with a Letter, to let us know,
he had appointed a Meeting with Sir Tho. Glemham,
and therefore could not (fn. †) possibly give us Meeting at
that Time; but the next Day he purposed to meet
us. Upon this, we consulted together; and having
sundry Informations that Sir Thomas Glemham and he
were treating about the Town without our Knowledge
or Advice, we sent him a Letter (a Copy whereof is
here inclosed) with all possible Speed, to which we
received no Answer at all. We likewise sent in Captain
Hudson to Sir Thomas Glemham, to let him know, what
honourable Conditions should be agreed on between
him and us, we would undertake the Performance of
them as far as both Houses of Parliament had any
Power. We send you likewise the Copy of that
Letter, unto which Sir Tho. Glemham returned this
inclosed. That Night (being Thursday Night), we had
Intelligence from sundry Persons, that Sir Thomas
Glemham and the Lieutenant General David Lesley
had agreed of Articles for rendering the Town, and
that it would be given upon Friday or Saturday at
the farthest; all which being done without our Knowledge or Consent, and having in our Letter to David
Lesly protested, in the Name of both Houses of Parliament, against any such Proceedings without our
Advice or Consent, and he still persisting in his own
Way without returning any Answer at all unto us,
we thought it our Duty to send another Letter unto
him (a Copy whereof is inclosed), unto which no
Answer at all is yet returned; and therefore, in a Business of so high Concernment as we conceive this is,
we have sent Captain Hudson, who hath been employed from the Beginning of this Business to the
End, that he may fully inform you of all Passages
that you shall desire to be satisfied in; and, as Occasion is, we shall send unto you again, and follow after
ourselves, that there may be nothing wanting in us
to preserve all good Correspondency and Agreement
betwixt the Two Nations, which shall be ever our Endeavours. We, that are upon the Place, discern by the
Inhabitants of both these Counties, that, unless they
may have an English Garrison in Carlile, they have
already lain under so many Pressures, that we shall
hazard the Loss of them both. We rest
"Your humble Servants,
Penrith, 27th June, at 2 in the Afternoon, 1645.
"W. Armyn. H. Darley.
From the Committee at York, to the Speaker, about the same.
"For the Honourable Wm. Lenthall Esquire,
Speaker of the House of Commons in Parliament, at Westm'r.
"We are advertised this Day, by a Letter from Mr.
Darley, of the 27th of June Instant, of the Surrender
of Carlile; but the Manner is much contrary to our
Expectations and your Intentions, expressed in your
late Vote, against which the English Commissioners there
(as is mentioned in that Letter) did, before the Surrender thereof, make a Protestation, and likewise a
Demand of an English Governor and Garrison to be
put into it; to which they received no Answer. We
are thus general, because this Bearer will acquaint you
with all the Particulars of it: Notwithstanding, we hold
it our Duties, according to the Trust reposed in us,
freely to represent unto you our Thoughts and Apprehensions of the Consequences of this Business; for we
understand by the Bearer, that the Country thereabouts is so deeply sensible of their late and great
Pressures suffered by the Scottish Army, and so much
offended therewith, that, if their Spirits be still further provoked and exasperated by the Disappointment
of an English Garrison, from whence they only hoped
to have found Relief, the Consequence thereof may
prove exceeding dangerous to these Parts, and likewise
may have an Influence to the Prejudice of this County
also, who are yet very sensible of the late Pressures
sustained by the Scottish Army: We therefore humbly
intreat, that some speedy Order may be given for that
Country's Satisfaction; which not being seasonably
done, we much fear, may tend to the interrupting, if
not to the utter disappointing, of a chearful and firm
Association, whereof we are assured, if not prevented
by this. We intreat you, that this Letter may be presently read in the House; and remain
"Your humble Servants,
Yorke, the 29th of June, 1645.
It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, that Jonathan Devereux, Clerk, shall be presented to the Rectory of Gateside, alias Gateshead, in the County and Bishopric of
Durham; and that the Commissioners of the Great
Seal shall issue out a Commission, or Presentation, under
the said Seal, accordingly."
Adjourn, 9, Monday.