House of Lords Journal Volume 7
21 October 1645

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 7: 21 October 1645', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 7: 1644 (1767-1830), pp. 653-655. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=33426 Date accessed: 20 April 2014. Add to my bookshelf


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DIE Martis, 21 die Octobris.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Seaman.

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

Comes Northumb.
Comes Kent.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Lyncolne.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Essex.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Ds. North.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Robertes.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Mountague.
Ds. Maynard.
Ds. Willoughby.

Ld. Campden to be confined to his House at Kensington.

Upon reading the Petition of Baptist Lord Viscount Campden; shewing, "That he coming to London, from the King's Quarters, did, upon his Repair to Kensington, intreat the Lord Denbigh to signify to this House, that he was come thither, and waited their Lordships Pleasure; whereupon this House committed him to the Black Rod, where he remains in Obedience to their Lordships Order: Therefore, in regard he coming out of the fresh Air, and is now shut up in a close House, and there is a House over-against his Lodging shut up of the Sickness, which may much endanger his Safety and Health, he desires he may be confined to his House at Kensington, or upon Bail, as this House shall think fit."

It is Ordered, That he be permitted to remain at Kensington, under the Custody of the Gentleman Usher attending this House; and to be confined there in the same Manner as he was at the Gentleman Usher's House.

Walsingham and Baker's Cause dismissed.

Upon reading the Affidavit of Gilbert Hyde, "That he left a Copy of an Order made in the House of Peers, upon the Petition of Sir Thomas Walsingham, bearing (fn. *) Date the 13th of this Instant October, at (fn. †) the House of Mr. Kilborne, Solicitor for Sir John Baker, on Friday last; and since, he hath spoken to Mr. Kilborne, who acknowledgeth the Service, and that (fn. †) he had acquainted Sir John Baker therewith, who likewise took Notice of the said Order."

It is (fn. ‡) Ordered, That the Cause between Sir Thomas Walsingham and Sir John Baker is dismissed this House, without Prejudice.

Message from the H. C. for a Thanksgiving, for Col. Pointz's Success in the North;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir John Evelyn Knight:

1. To acquaint their Lordships with divers Letters received from Colonel Pointz and others, of the great Success of the Parliament Forces in the North, near Shurburne, for which (fn. ||) they desire Concurrence in an Order for a Thanksgiving the next Lord's-day.

(Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

to expedite the Votes about the Scots Army, &c. and with Orders, &c.

2. To desire Expedition in the Business of the Votes concerning the Scotts.

3. An Order for the Iron Works for Colonel Massy.

4. Lieutenant General Cromwell to be continued for Four Months.

5. A Vote for Colonel Ralph Weldon to be Governor of Plymouth.

6. That Colonel Mountague be added to the Committee of the Army.

7. That Mr. Maynard may have my Lord Bankes' Books.

8. That Mr. Recorder may have Mr. Vaughan's Books.

9. An Ordinance for the Sale of Ships.

10. That Captain Bettisworth be High Sheriff of Hampshire.

11. That Captain Bettisworth do command the Horse in Hampshire.

12. An Ordinance for the Waggoner to be paid Three Thousand One Hundred Ninety-one Pounds, Five Shillings, and Eight Pence.

13. An Ordinance for One Thousand Pounds, out of the Excise, for Nottingham Foot.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House agrees to the keeping of the next Lord's-day a Day of Thanksgiving: To all the rest, this House will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Further Consideration of the Votes brought up from the H. C. at a Conference about the Scots Army, &c.

Next, the House was adjourned into a Committee during Pleasure, to debate the Report of the Conference with the House of Commons, concerning the Scotts Army.

The House being resumed, the Second Vote was read, as follows:

"Resolved, &c. That the Scotts Army not engaging against the Enemy according to the Desires of both Houses of Parliament, and their Continuance in the Northern Parts contrary to those Desires, is not only unserviceable, but prejudicial to those Ends for which their Assistance was desired, and destructive to these Parts of the Kingdom."

And the Question being put, "Whether this House agrees with the House of Commons in this Vote?"

And it was Resolved in the Affirmative.

The rest of the Votes were read, and Resolved as follow:

"That their laying of Taxes and raising of Monies upon the Subjects of this Kingdom, and plundering their Horses and Goods, is against the Treaty, and against the Liberty of the Subjects, which both Kingdoms are bound to preserve; and doth disable this Kingdom to pay the Monthly Assessments for the Maintenance of that Army and the Forces of the Northern Association."

Agreed to, upon the Question.

"That it be Declared to the Inhabitants of the Northern Association, That they are not bound to pay any such Monies as are, or shall be, taxed upon them, without the Power or Authority of both Houses of Parliament, by the Scotts Officers, or any other Person."

Agreed to, upon the Question.

"That whatsoever Monies, Goods, Horses, or Provisions, have or shall be taken from any the Inhabitants of the Northern Association, or of any other Parts of this Kingdom, without the Power and Authority of both Houses of Parliament, by any of the Scotts Army, shall be re-paid unto them, out of the Monies designed for the Maintenance of that Army."

Agreed to.

"That such Commissions shall be issued, under the Great Seal, into every County of this Kingdom where they shall be desired, for the certifying what Money, Billet, Horses, Cattle, Goods, or Provisions, have been levied or taken, by any of the Scots Army, with the like Powers and Authorities as are contained in (fn. *) Commissions already (fn. †) issued in that Behalf into divers of the Northern Counties."

Agreed to.

"That whatsoever Money, Horses, Goods, or Provisions, have been, or shall be, levied or taken, by the Scotts Army, upon the Inhabitants or Subjects of the Kingdom of England, shall be accounted as so much of the Pay of the Scotts Army; and that this Kingdom is disengaged for the Payment of so much as the same upon Proof shall amount unto."

Agreed to.

"That in case the Pressures of the Scotts Army upon the Subjects of this Kingdom be continued, and unless Satisfaction shall be given touching the Premises, it cannot be expected that this Kingdom shall make Payment of Thirty-one Thousand Pounds per Month to the said Army."

Agreed to, upon the Question.

"That it be desired, that Satisfaction may be given to this Kingdom, that such Forces of the Scottish Nation, as have been put into the several Garrisons of Newcastle upon Tine, the City of Carlile, and Town of Hartlepoole, the Castle of Tinemouth, Warkworth, Thirlwall, and Stockton, without the Consent of both Houses of Parliament, may be forthwith removed, to the End the same may be disposed of in such Manner as shall be thought fitting by both Houses of the Parliament of England."

Agreed to, upon the Question.

"That the Scotts Answer, touching the Marching of their Army to besiege Newarke, is not satisfactory."

Agreed to, upon the Question.

"That the Scotts Commissioners be desired to give a positive and speedy Answer, touching their Army's marching to besiege Newarke."

Agreed to, upon the Question.

"That Thirty Thousand Pounds be provided for the Scotts Army, to be paid unto them, upon Accompt, at or before the First of November next ensuing, in case their Army be then before Newarke.

Agreed to.

"That Two Hundred Barrels of Powder, with Bullet proportionable, and a double Proportion of Match, be forthwith provided and furnished for the Scotts Army, in case they shall be before Newarke by the First of November next."

Agreed to.

"That the Committee of Goldsmythes Hall do forthwith put in Execution all such Powers and Authorities that is given unto them, for the effectual bringing in of the Assessments for the Payment of the Scotts Army; and that if any Committee, or Member thereof, or other Officer employed by them, do obstruct the speedy bringing in of the said Monies, that they do send for him or them, and require an Accompt of them, according to the Power given them; and that, if they shall be informed of any Member of this House, that is the Cause of either diverting or obstructing the coming in of the said Assessments, that they do certify the Name of such Member or Members to the House, to be proceeded with as the House shall think fit: And whereas the Power given to that Committee is of Force only as to the Scotts Army, it is Ordered, That the same Powers, in every Clause and Article thereof, shall be of Force, and applied to the effectual and speedy bringing in of the last Four Months Assessments, and also for bringing in the Arrears upon the Ordinance for the Loan of Two Hundred Thousand Pounds, for the Scotts Advance into this Kingdom."

Agreed to.

"That the Letters from the North, and these Votes, be communicated to the Lords, at a Conference; and the Lords be desired, in case they shall assent unto them, that then a Committee of Lords and Commons may be appointed, to digest them into Form, to be an Answer to the Papers from the Scotts Commissioners."

Agreed to.

Committee to digest these into a Form, for an Answer to the Scots Commissioners.

Upon the passing the aforesaid Votes, the Lords did appoint these Lords following to be a Committee, to join with a Committee of the House of Commons, to digest them into Form, to be an Answer to the Papers from the Scotts Commissioners, and report the same to the Houses:

Comes Northumb.
Comes Kent.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Denbigh.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Ds. North.
Ds. Mountague.

Any Three, to meet To-morrow in the Afternoon, at Three of the Clock, in the Lord Keeper's Lodgings.

Message to the H. C. to appoint a Committee to meet with them.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page:

To let them know, that this House agrees to the Votes brought up at the last Conference, concerning the Scotts; and that this House hath nominated a Committee of Eight Lords, to meet To-morrow in the Afternoon, at Three of the Clock, in the Lord Keeper's Lodgings, to digest them into Form; and to desire the House of Commons would appoint a Committee of their House, of a proportionable Number, to join with the Committee of Lords, and to meet at the Time and Place aforesaid.

Devereux and Withypole.

Ordered, That the Clerk of the Parliaments is hereby authorized to re-deliver unto Mr. Leycester Devereux the Trunk of Evidences and Writings, concerning the Business between him and Sir Wm. Withypole, which were appointed to be brought in by this House.

Order for a Public Thanksgiving, for Colonel Pointz's Success.

"Resolved, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament, That, on the next Lord's-day, Public Thanks be given unto Almighty God in all the Churches and Chapels within the Lines of Communication, and on the next Lord's-day come Fortnight in all other Parts of the Kingdom, for the great Blessings and Success it hath pleased God to give the Parliament's Forces in the North, near Sherborne in Yorkesheir, and in other Parts of the Kingdom; and that the Ministers be required to stir up their Hearts to an hearty Thankfulness; and that the Lord Mayor be desired to give timely Notice hereof to the Ministers of the several Churches and Chapels within the Lines of Communication."

Footnotes

* Origin. dated.
Origin. Order.
Bis in Originali.
|| Origin. the.
* Origin. Commissioners.
Deest in Originali.