Die Saturni, 13 die Decembris.
Prayers, by Mr. Cawdrey.
Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.
Wardours of The Tower, Petition.
Upon reading the Petition of the Yeomen Wardours of The Tower of London: It is Ordered, To be
recommended to the House of Commons.
E. of Carlisle and his Creditors.
Ordered, That the Cause between the Earl of Carlile and his Creditors shall be heard, by Counsel on
both Sides, at this Bar, on Tuesday next come Sevennight, whereof the Earl of Carlile is to have Notice
L. Say & Seale's Petition, for some Allowance, on Account of his great Losses during this War.
Upon reading the Petition of Wm. Viscount Say &
Seale; shewing, "That, in the Beginning of these Troubles, to manifest his good Affection to the Parliament, he did lend, upon the Propositions, a Thousand Pounds, which for his Estate was a very great
Sum of Money; that, soon after, the King's Forces
possessing themselves of Oxfordshire and Glostershire,
where all his Lands lieth, have ever since had the
same in their Power, and taken the Profit thereof,
whereby he hath sustained very great Losses, as may
appear by the Particulars annexed: As yet he hath
received nothing from the Estate; but did forbear
to petition, seeing the great Occasions there were
for Monies, so long as he could possibly subsist without it; but now, having sold all his Plate, and borrowed so long as he could, to supply Necessaries for
himself and Family, his Lordship is enforced to become an humble Suitor to the Houses, that, by
some such Way as to their Wisdom shall seem fit,
he may have wherewithall to maintain himself and
Particulars of his Losses.
An Estimate of the Losses which the Lord Viscount Say & Seale hath sustained, in his Real
and Personal Estate, since the Beginning of
(fn. *) these unnatural Wars.
1. In the Year before the War began, having
ploughed up a good Part of his ancient Pasture
Grounds, to raise Portions for his Younger Children,
and to pay his Debts, and having a very great Crop
of Corn and Wood; presently after Keinton Battle,
it was seized upon by the King's Forces, being of
a great Value.
2. At the same Time, they plundered him of all
the Stock that was upon his Grounds, and the Furniture in his Houses, to a great Value; defacing,
tearing, and burning, his principal House, at Broughton, in Oxfordshire.
3. They have likewise for these Three Years last
past detained from him the Profits of all his Lands,
from when he hath not received in all that Time
above the Sum of Four Hundred Pounds.
4. And for the Profit of the Court of Wards, by
reason of the present Distractions, and the several
Votes that have passed for the taking away of that
Court, he hath received very little Profit from thence
these Three Years last past, save only Two Hundred
Thirty-three Pounds per Annum for his Fee; but
hath maintained his Family for the most Part by
Monies borrowed, many of those whom he owes good
Sums of Money to being brought into great Streights
for Want thereof, which is a great Grief to him,
being not able to pay them; all which Losses amount to above Ten Thousand Pounds, besides the
Ruin of his Houses, which will not be made good
again with Two Thousand Pounds, though the Enemy should pull no more down than they have done
To be sent to the H. C.
Ordered, That this Petition be specially recommended to the House of Commons; and Sir Edward
Leech and Mr. Page is appointed to deliver it on Monday Morning next.
Judgements in the Star-chamber against Prynn & al.
Ordered, That the Records in the Star Chamber,
where the Judgement against Mr. Prynn, Doctor Bastwicke, and Mr. Burton, shall be brought into this
House upon Tuesday Morning next, that so they may be
vacated in this House.
E. of Carnarvon to be assessed by this House.
Upon Information to this House, "That the Earl of
Carnarvan is sent to, by a Ticket, to pay Two Thousand Pounds, for his Fifth and Twentieth Part;" and
considering that he is a Peer of this Kingdom, and
a Ward: It is Ordered, That it shall be signified to
the Committee at Haberdashers Hall, that, in regard his
Lordship is a Peer of this Kingdom, he ought to be
assessed by this House.
Passes for Col. Fisher & al. lately in the King's Service, to go beyond Sea.
The Earl of Manchester reported from the Committee
of both Kingdoms, as their Opinion, "That Passes may
be granted, to Colonel John Fisher, Colonel Wm.
Willis, Colonel Wm. Rolston, and Colonel Phillip
Honywood, lately in the King's Service, to go beyond the Seas:" Which this House approved of, and
Ordered to be communicated to the House of Commons.
Papers from the Scots Commissioners.
Likewise he reported some Papers from the Scotts
Commissioners, touching their Answer concerning the
Answer to be sent to the King's Letter.
Message to the H. C. about the Passes for Col. Fisher & al.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page:
1. To desire their Concurrence to the Passes for the
Colonels to go beyond the Seas, which were reported
this Day from the Committee of both Kingdoms.
2. To recommend to them the Petition of Colonel
3. To deliver to them the Petition of Sir Robert
Coke, and desire the Consideration of it may be referred
to the Committee of Lords and Commons for Sequestrations; and that he may be bailed, to prosecute his Business.
4. To deliver to them the Petition of the Wardours
of The Tower, with Recommendations.
and about L. Digby's, &c. Letters taken at Sherborn.
5. To desire that the Committee which were formerly appointed to consider of the Letters taken at Sherborne may (fn. *) meet this Afternoon, at Three a Clock.
The Scotts Papers were read, as follow:
Paper from the Scots Commissioners, that they do not agree to the Answer to the King's Letter.
Having receved from your Lordships His Majesty's Letter of the Fifth of this Instant to the House
of Peeres, and at the same Time a Draught of the
Answere of both Houses to that Letter; we finde
in that Answere some Particulers wherein we are
named as Consenters, to which we cannott agree;
nether would it (we are consident) have ben expected
from us, if our former Papers had ben considered, or
we consulted therein, as formerly upon the like Occasions; concerning which we are ready to give your
Lordships Satisfaction by Conference.
12 Dec. 1645.
By Comand of the Commissioners for
the Parliament of Scotland.
Paper from them, proposing an Amendment to it, and for Propositions for Peace to be prepared.
Whereas, according to the Order of both Houses
of Parliament, a Draught of their Answere to His
Majesty's late Letter is by this Honorable Comittee comunicated to us the Comissioners of the
Parliament of Scotland; we have taken both the Letter and the Draught of the Answere into our serious
Consideration, and, with the Honorable Houses,
doe, in the Name of the Parliament of Scotland,
from our Harts pray and desire, according to our
former Wishes and Endeavours, that a safe and wellgrounded Peace may be setled in His Majesty's Dominions, which we are apt to conceve may now, by
the Blessinge of God, be brought to passe, when
both His Majesty hath made the Motion upon the
one Hand, and the Honorable Houses of Parliament have resolved and agreed to send Propositions
and Bills unto His Majesty upon the other, for the
same much-desired Ende.
Only, according to our Interest and Affection,
and in relation to soe great an Happines, we doe
expresse our Sense concerning some Particulers in the
Answere: First, That, if it may seeme good to the
Wisedome of the Honorable Houses, instead of these
Words ["and should have accounted it a great
Happines if Your Majesty's Actions had ben answerable"], that the Expression might runn thus,
["and shall account it a great Happines that Your
Majesty's Actions be answerable"].
"Next, concerning that Parte of the Answere which
seemeth to barr all further Treaty, we referr ourselves to our Paper of the 14th of August, wherein
we declared ourselves most willing, that not only the
Three maine Propositions debated at Uxbridge, but
alsoe all or any of the other Propositions of Peace already agreed upon by the joynte Consent of both
Kingdomes, which upon mutuall Debate should be
judged necessary, be sent, with a Desire of a positive
Answere, without any Treaty; but withall did shew,
if any new Propositions of Peace, or any materiall
Additions to, or Alterations of, the former Propositions, were to be sent, in that Case we were necessitated to send them to the Kingdome of Scotland, to
be there considered and approved, (fn. *) as is more fully
conteyned in that our Paper, which we desire may be
taken into Consideration at this Tyme: And this is
all that is in our Power, or can be expected from us,
in Matters of soe great Concernment, as cannot be
determined without the particuler Knowledge and express Consent of the Parliaments of both Kingdomes, united by so many Bonds of Covenante, and
of doeing and suffering in this common Cause. To
the Point of denying the safe Conduct (the Houses
havinge declared their Opinion), wee do agree; and
earnestly desier, that, without Delay, the Propositions
already agreed upon may be sent to His Majesty, for
a positive Answer; but if any of them be altered,
or any other materially different be intended, which
may lay a Necessity upon us of sending them to the
Parliament of Scotl. to be there considered and retorned
hither, with their Sence, and so the Winter (the
fittest Season for a Treaty) spent in Debates upon
new Propositions, the present Oportunity lossed,
Occasion given to our Enemies to use the more Art
and Industry for bringinge in Forreyn Forces, when
they apprehend by our Delayes their Motions of
Peace not to be enterteyned; besides many other
Inconveniencies, well knowne to the Honorable
Houses, and felt of all the 3 Kingdomes, which accompany our present Distractions; the Contynuance or Increase of the commons Misseries through
the not setling of a happy Peace cannot be imputed
unto us, who have not seised constantly to express
the sending of the Propositions agreed upon by
both Kingdomes ever since the 20th of June last,
have used our best Endeavors upon all Occasions
with the Honorable Houses from Time to Time,
and have left no good Meanes or Waies in our
Power unessayed, which might deliver these Kingdomes out of their Trobles and Sufferings, and setle
them in a blessed Peace: It is therfore our earnest
Desire, that the presente Oportunity of Pacification
be improved, unto which wee are ready to joyne our
uttermost Endeavors, wayting for the Success from
the Blessing of God.
Dec. 12th, 1645.
"By Comaund of the Commissioners
for the Parliament of Scotland.
Message from the H. C. with an Ordinance, &c.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir John Evelyn Knight, &c.
1. To desire Concurrence in an Ordinance for Two
Thousand Pounds for the Lyncolneshire Forces.
(Here enter it.)
2. Instructions to be given to the Committees that
are to be sent from the Houses of Parliament, to reside
with the Forces at Newarke, being in Two Papers.
Sheriffs of Counties.
"Resolved, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That Sir Richard Bettenson shall be
High Sheriff of the County of Surrey; and that the
Commissioners of the Great Seal do grant him a
"Resolved, &c. That Mr. William Phillips shall be
High Sheriff of the County of Pembrooke; and that
the Commissioners of the Great Seal do grant him a
"Resolved, &c. That Sir Thomas Henley Knight
shall be High Sheriff of the County of Sussex; and
that the Commissioners of the Great Seal do grant
a Commission accordingly.
"Resolved, &c. That James Lewes Esquire, of
Cardigan Castle, shall be High Sheriff of the County
of Cardigan; and that the Commissioners of the Great
Seal do grant him a Commission accordingly.
"Resolved, &c. That Mr. Charles Gwyn shall be
High Sheriff of the County of Carmarthen; and that
the Commissioners of the Great Seal do grant a Commission accordingly.
"Resolved, &c. That Mr. Howell Gwin, of Glanbraine, shall be High Sheriff of the County of Brecon; and that the Commissioners of the Great Seal
do grant him a Commission accordingly.
"Resolved, &c. That Onslow Winch Esquire shall
be High Sheriff of the Counties of Hunt. and Cambridge; and that the Commissioners of the Great Seal
do grant him a Commission for Sheriff, in Form
Resolved, &c. That Colonel Thomas Mitton shall
be High Sheriff of the County of Salop; and that
the Commissioners of the Great Seal do grant him a
Resolved, &c. That Edward Carne, of Ewenny,
Esquire, shall be High Sheriff of the County of
Glamorgan; and that the Commissioners of the Great
Seal do grant him a Commission for High Sheriff,
in Form usual, accordingly.
"Resolved, &c. That Sir John Norwich Baronet
shall be High Sheriff of the County of North'ton;
and that the Commissioners of the Great Seal do
grant him a Patent accordingly."
Order for 2000l. for the Forces of Lincoln and Lynn.
"It is this Day Ordained, by the Lords and Commons
in Parliament assembled, That Two Thousand Pounds,
with Interest for the same, after the Rate of Eight
Pounds per Centum, until the Payment thereof shall
be paid in due Course (after other Assignments first
satisfied), out of the Receipts of the Excise, by Ordinance of the 11th of September, 1643, for Provisions made by an Order of the Commons House
of Parliament, dated the 2d of this Instant December, for the Service of the Forces of Lincolne and
Lynn, unto Thomas Toll Esquire, a Member of the
House of Commons: And it is further Ordained,
That if any Person or Persons shall advance and
lend the said Two Thousand Pounds, or any Part
thereof, that then every such Person or Persons respectively, their respective Executors or Administrators, shall be satisfied and paid the respective Sum
or Sums of Money so lent, with Interest for the
same as aforesaid, for so long Time as the same, or
any Part thereof, shall be unpaid, out of the said
Receipts of Excise, in Order and Course aforesaid;
and that the Interest for the said Two Thousand
Pounds shall be paid to the respective Person or
Persons lending the same, or any Part thereof, their
respective Executors, Administrators, or Assigns, at
the End of every Six Months (from the respective
Times of the Advance thereof, or any Part thereof),
until the said Two Thousand Pounds and Interest
shall be paid, out of the said Receipts of Excise;
and the Commissioners of Excise and new Impost
are hereby authorized to make Payment of the said
Two Thousand Pounds and Interest accordingly;
and the Receipt of the said Thomas Toll, testifying
the Receipt of the respective Sum or Sums of Money
advanced for the Purposes aforesaid, together with
the respective Receipt or Receipts of the Person or
Persons lending the same, or any Part thereof, their
respective Executors, Administrators, or Assigns,
shall be a sufficient Discharge to the Commissioners of Excise, and every of them, for Payment
of the said Two Thousand Pounds and Interest as