DIE Lunæ, 26 die Januarii.
PRAYERS, by Mr. Wilkinson.
Comes Manchester, Speaker this Day.
L. Grey excused.
The Lord Grey de Warke is excused for his not attending this House this Day.
The Speaker acquainted this House with a Letter
brought to him by a Trumpeter from Oxford; which
Letter from Sir T. Glemham, with One from the King.
"I am commanded by His Majesty to desire your
Lordship to deliver the inclosed, according to the
Direction thereon; and so remain,
Oxon, 24 Jan. 1645.
"Most humble Servant,
"For the Right Honourable the Speaker of the
House of Peers pro Tempore."
The King's Letter follows:
Letter from the King, to remove the Objections to a Personal Treaty at Westm.
"The procuring Peace to these Kingdoms by Treaty
is so much desired by His Majesty, that no unjust
Aspersions whatsoever, or any other Discouragements, shall make Him desist from doing His Endeavours therein, until He shall see it altogether impossible; and therefore have thought fitting so far
only to make Reply to that Paper or Answer which
He hath received of the 13th of this Instant January, as may take away those Objections which are
made against His Majesty's coming to Westm.; expecting still an Answer to His Messages of the 15th
and 17th, which He hopes by this Time have begotten better Thoughts and Resolutions in the Members of both Houses.
"And First, therefore, whereas in the said last Paper it is objected (as an Impediment to His Majesty's
Personal Treaty), that much innocent Blood hath been
shed in this War by His Majesty's Commissions, &c.;
He will not now dispute, it being apparent to all
the World by whom all this Blood hath been spilt;
but rather presseth that there should be no more;
and to that End only He hath desired this Personal
Treaty, as judging it the most immediate Means to
abolish so many horrid Confusions in all His Kingdoms. And it is no Argument to say, "There shall
be no such Personal Treaty because there have been
Wars;" it being a strong Inducement to have such
a Treaty, to put an End to the War.
"Secondly, That there should be no such Personal
Treaty because some of His Irish Subjects have repaired to His Assistance, it seems an Argument altogether
as strange as the other; as always urging, that there
should be no Physic administered because the Party
is sick: And in this Particular it hath been often
observed unto them, That those whom they call Irish
(who have so expressed their Loyalty to their Sovereign) were indeed for the most Part such English
Protestants as had been formerly sent into Ireland
by the Two Houses, and impossibilitated to stay there
any longer, by the Neglect of those that sent them
thither, who should there have better provided for
them: And for any Foreign Forces, it is too apparent that their Armies have swarmed with them,
when His Majesty hath had very few or none.
"And whereas, for a Third Impediment, it is alledged, that the Prince is in the Head of an Army
in the West; that there are divers Garrisons still
kept in His Majesty's Obedience; and that there
are Forces in Scotland; it must be as much confessed
as that there is yet no Peace: And therefore it is
desired, that, by such a Personal Treaty, all these
Impediments may be removed. And it is not here
amiss to put them in Mind, how long since His Majesty did press a Disbanding of all Forces on both
Sides, the refusing whereof hath been the Cause of
this Objection. And whereas Exception is taken,
that there is a Time limited in the Proposition for
His Majesty's Personal Treaty, thereupon inferring
that He should again return to Hostility; His Majesty protesteth, that He seeks this Treaty to avoid
future Hostility, and procuring a lasting Peace; and
if He can meet with like Inclinations to Peace in those
He desires to treat with, He will bring such Affections and Resolutions in Himself as shall end all these
unhappy bloody Differences. As for those Engagements which His Majesty hath desired for His Security, whosoever will call to Mind the particular Occasions that enforced His Majesty to leave His Cities
of London and Westm. will judge His Demand therein very reasonable, and necessary for His Safety:
But He no way conceives how the Lord Mayor,
Aldermen, Common Council, and Militia of London,
are either subject or subordinate to that Authority
as is alledged, as knowing neither Law nor Practice
for it; and if the Two Armies be, He believes it is
more than can be paralleled by any former Times
in this Kingdom: Nor can His Majesty understand
how His seeking of Personal Security can be any
Breach of Privilege, it being likelier to be infringed
by hindering His Majesty from coming freely to His
"As for the Objection, that His Majesty omitted to
mention the settling Religion and securing the Peace
of His Native Kingdom; His Majesty declares, That
He conceives it was involved in His former, and
hath been particularly mentioned in His latter Message, of the 15th present; but, for their better Satisfaction, He again expresses that it was, and ever
shall be, both His Meaning and Endeavours in this
"And it seems to Him very clear, that there is no
Way for a final Ending of such Distractions as
now afflict this Kingdom, but either by Treaty or Conquest; the latter of which His Majesty hopes none
will have the Impudence or Impiety to wish for;
and for the former, if His Personal Assistance in it
be not the most likely Way, let any reasonable Man
judge, when by that Means not only all unnecessary
Delays will be removed, but even the greatest Difficulties made easy: And therefore He doth now
again earnestly insist upon that Proposition, expecting
to receive a better Answer upon mature Consideration.
"And can it be imagined that any Propositions will
be so effectual, being formed before a Personal
Treaty, as such as are framed and propounded upon
a full Debate on both Sides?
"Wherefore His Majesty, who is most concerned
in the Good of His People, and is most desirous to
restore Peace and Happiness to His Three Kingdoms,
doth again instantly desire an Answer to His said former Messages, to which He hath hitherto received
"Given at the Court at Oxford, the 24th of January, 1645.
For the Speaker of the House
of Peers pro Tempore; to be
communicated to the Two
Houses of Parliament at
Westm. and the Commissioners of the Parliament of
E. of Newport and Mr. Denham brought up from Dartmouth.
Mr. Peters acquainted this House, "That Sir Tho.
Fairefaix gave him Charge of bringing the Earl of
Newport and Mr. Denham safe to London, who
were taken at Dartmouth; who are now come safely
to London, and the Earl of Newport is at their Lordships Disposal: And farther, he was directed by
the General to signify to this House, That the Earl
of Newport was a Means for the delivering up of
divers Forts of great Strength (fn. *) without Forcing."
E. of Newport committed to the Black Rod.
Hereupon this House returned Mr. Peters Thanks;
and Ordered, That the Earl of Newport be committed to the safe Custody of the Gentleman Usher attending this House, till the Pleasure of this House be
Message to the H. C. with the King's Letter;
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
and Dr. Heath:
To communicate the King's Message to them; and
to desire the Members of both Houses that are of the
Committee of both Kingdoms do communicate the same
to the Scotts Commissioners.
and for Capt. Roope to be Governor of Dartmouth.
2. To desire their Concurrence, that Captain Nicholas
Roope, a Person of approved Fidelity to the Parliament, may be nominated and appointed to be Governor of the Town of Dartmouth, and the Forts thereunto appertaining.
Message from the H. C. with Ordinances.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Thorpe, &c.
To desire their Lordships Concurrence in these several
1. A List of the Daily and Monthly Pay for Five
Hundred Firelocks, for the General's Guard.
2. An Ordinance for reducing the General's Lifeguard to a Regiment of Firelocks.
Respited; and a Letter to be sent to the General,
and receive his Answer herein.
3. Lieutenant General Cromwell to be continued for
Six Months longer in the Service. (Here enter it.)
4. An Order for making Sir Edward Coke Baronet
to be Sheriff of Derby. (Here enter it.)
5. For One Hundred Pounds out of Haberdashers
Hall, for Major Temple. (Here enter it.)
6. For One Hundred Pounds for Captain Badger,
out of Haberdashers Hall. (Here enter it.)
7. An Ordinance for Two Thousand Eight Hundred and One Pounds, Three Shillings, and Four Pence,
for Northumb. Durham, (fn. *) and Newcastle, out of the Excise, in Course. (Here enter it.)
8. For Charles Vane Esquire to be One of the Deputy Lieutenants of the County of Duresme.
9. For Rob't Clavering Esquire to be High Sheriff
of the County of Northumb.
10. That Charles Vane Esquire be a Committee-man
11. An Ordinance for making Sir George Vane High
Sheriff for the County Palatine of Duresme.
12. For Wm. Briscoe Esquire to be High Sheriff of
the County of Cumberland.
Not Agreed to.
Ordered, To send to the House of Commons,
to give Expedition to the Approbation of that
Sheriff sent down from hence.
13. That there shall be raised a Regiment of Firelocks, instead of the Life-guard.
14. A Vote concerning the Commissary General of
the Horse. (Here enter it.)
15. That the Waggon-master General, and the
Muster-master General, be allowed a Carriage between
16. That the Quarter-master General and the
Muster-master General be allowed a Carriage between
17. That Sir Thomas Fairefax be enjoined to reduce
his Life-guard to a Regiment of Firelocks, &c.
18. That the Regiment of Firelocks be taken in, and
be made Part of his Army; and that the General do
put Officers over them.
Ordinance for Sir G. Vane to be Sheriff of Durham.
The Ordinance for making Sir George Vane High
Sheriff for the County Palatine of Duresme, was read
Twice, and committed to these Lords following:
Any Three, to meet on Friday next, in the Afternoon, at Three a Clock.
Mr. Justice Bacon and Mr. Justice Rolls, to
L. Say & Seale's Claim to the Wardenship of the Cinque Ports.
The Viscount Say & Seale acquainted this (fn. *) House,
"That his Lordship's Secretary hath attended the
King's Solicitor, to acquaint him with the Order of
this House, concerning his Lordship's Claim to the
Warden of the Cinque Ports and Constable of Dover;
and his Answer is, That he is a Member of the House
of Commons, and hath many Employments there:
Therefore he desires their Lordships would excuse
him, and appoint some of the Assistants of this House
to manage the Business for the King."
Hereupon this House appointed and assigned Mr. Serjeant Godbolt, Mr. Chute, and Mr. Nudigate, and Sir
Robert Berckley if he be not made uncapable by
Judgement of this House, of Counsel for the King in
this Business; and the Cause to be heard, at this Bar,
the 17th of February next.
Message from the H.C. for the Government of Ireland to continue only One Year in the same Person;
A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir John Evelyn Knight, &c.
To desire their Lordships Concurrence in these Two
"1. Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Government of
Ireland shall not be continued in any Person or Persons longer than One whole Year."
and for L. Lisle to be Governor there.
"2. Resolved, That the Lords and Commons do
nominate and approve of Phillip Lord Lisle, to be
Chief Governor of the Kingdom of Ireland."
Resolved, upon the Question, That this House
agrees to this Vote.
The Answer returned was:
That this House agrees to these Votes now brought
Vane to be a Deputy Lieutenant for Durham.
Ordered, To send to the House of Commons, That
whereas George Vane Esquire is presented, by Sir Henry
Vane Senior, to be a Deputy Lieutenant for the County
of Duresme: It is Ordered, by the Lords in Parliament assembled, That the said George Vane shall be
Deputy Lieutenant of the said County of Duresme
accordingly; and the Concurrence of the House of
Commons to be desired herein: And this to be Part
of the Message to be sent down by Dr. Aylett and
Message from the H. C. about Lilbourn's Sentence in the Star Chamber.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Rigby, &c.
To desire their Lordships Concurrence in Two Votes,
concerning the unjust Sentence in the Star Chamber
against John Lilborne.
The Answer returned was:
That this House will take this Message into Consideration.
Ordered, That the Sentence of the Star Chamber
against John Lilburne shall be brought into this House
this Day Sevennight; and then this Business shall be
taken into Consideration.
Message to the H.C. with Nisbet's Ordinance; and about the March. of Winchester.
Another Part of the Message by Serjeant Ayliff and
Dr. Heath shall (fn. †) be, to desire their Concurrence for
Mr. Phillip Nisbbett
(fn. ‡) to be Minister of Kirklington;
and to recommend to them the Petition of Mr. Wilkingson; and to put them in Mind of the Lady Marquess
of Winton, shewing (fn. †) her being now in a very unbefitting Place, where she is not accommodated with Necessaries; and to let the House of Commons know, that
the said Lady Marquess came to London upon the Pass
of this House: and was accommodated in The Tower
with Lodgings there.
Ordered, Tat the Earl of Kent and the Earl of Bolingbrook shall tender the Covenant to the Earl of Devon.
General Cromwell to be continued in his Command.
"It is Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Lieutenant General
Cromwell shall be continued in the Command and
Place of Lieutenant General of the Horse, in Sir
Thomas Fairefaxe's Army, for the Space of Six Months,
to be accounted from and after the Expiration of
that Time for which he was last continued in the said
Command and Service; and that his Service in the
House be dispensed with in the mean Time."
Sir E. Coke to be Sheriff of Derby.
"The Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled
do nominate and appoint Sir Edward Coke Baronet,
to be Sheriff of the County of Darby; and that the
Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do grant
him a Commission accordingly."
Order for 100 l. to Major Temple.
"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That a Hundred Pounds be bestowed upon Major Temple, as a Testimony of his
valiant and good Services; and that this Hundred Pounds be presently advanced and paid unto
the said Major Temple, by the Committee of Lords
and Commons for Advance of Monies at Habberdashers Hall, to buy him Horse."
Order for 100 l. for Captain Badger.
"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled
in Parliament, That One Hundred Pounds be bestowed upon Captain Badger, and paid unto him in
Course, by the Committee of Lords and Commons
for Advance of Monies at Habberdashers Hall, in
Testimony of his good Services done to the Parliament at Hereff. and elsewhere."
Order for 2801l. 3s. 4d. for Durham, Northumberland, &c.
"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, that Two Thousand
Eight Hundred and One Pounds, Three Shillings,
and Four Pence, with Interest for the same, after
the Rate of Eight Pounds per Centum, until the Payment thereof shall be paid in due Course, after other
Assignments first satisfied, out of the Receipts of
Excise, by Ordinance of the 11th of September, 1643,
for the Use of the Bishopric of Durham, Newcastle,
Northumberland, Westmerland, and Cumberland; and
to be paid into the Hands of Sir Thomas Widdrington
Knight, William Fenwick Esquire, George Payler Esquire, and Thomas Davison Agent for the County
of Northumberland: And it is further Ordained,
That if any Person or Persons shall advance and lend
the said Two Thousand Eight Hundred and One
Pounds, Three Shillings, and Four Pence, or any
Part thereof, that then every such Person or Persons respectively, their respective Executors, Administrators, or Assigns, shall be satisfied and paid the
respective Sum or Sums of Money so lent, with Interest for the same as aforesaid, for so long as the
same, or any Part thereof, shall be unpaid, out of
the said Receipts of the Excise, in Order and Course
aforesaid; and that the Interest for the said Two
Thousand Eight Hundred and One Pounds, Three
Shillings, and Four Pence, shall be paid to the respective Person or Persons lending the same, or any
Part thereof, their respective Executors, Administrators, or Assigns, or Assignee, at the End of every
Six Months from the respective Times of Advance
thereof, or any Part thereof, until the said Two
Thousand Eight Hundred and One Pounds, Three
Shillings, and Four Pence, and Interest, shall be paid
out of the said Receipts of Excise; and the Commissioners of Excise and new Impost are hereby au
thorized to make Payment of the said Two Thousand Eight Hundred and One Pounds, Three Shillings, and Four Pence, and Interest, accordingly;
and the Receipt of the said Thomas Widdrington, Wm.
Fenwick, George Payler, and Thomas Davison, or any
Two of them, testifying the Receipt of the respective Sum or Sums of Money advanced for the Purpose aforesaid, together with the respective Receipt
or Receipts of the Person or Persons levying the
same, or any Part thereof, their respective Executors, Administrators, or Assigns, or Assignees, shall
be a sufficient Discharge to the Commissioners of
Excise, and every of them, for Payment of the said
Two Thousand Eight Hundred and One Pounds,
Three Shillings, and Four Pence, and Interest for
the same, as aforesaid."
Clavering to be Sheriff of Northumb.
"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament
do nominate and appoint Robert Clavering, of Brenkborne, Esquire, to be High Sheriff of the County of
Northumberland; and that the Commissioners of the
Great Seal of England do grant him a Commission
Commissary General of the Horse added to the Establishment.
"Resolved, &c. That in regard Sir Thomas Fairefax hath found it necessary for the Service, and employed a Commissary General of the Horse, that
the Houses do allow of him to be added to the Establishment; and to have the Entertainment of the
Place from the Date of his Commission, (videlicet,)
Fifteen Shillings per Diem Half Pay, and Fifteen
Shillings per Diem on Public Faith."