DIE Lunæ, 23 die Februarii.
PRAYERS, by Mr. Ash.
Comes Manchester, Speaker.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Preacher at the Fast.
The House being informed, "That Mr. Case is sick,
and will not be able to preach before the Lords at
the next Fast."
It is Ordered, That Mr. Ash be desired to supply
Letter from Sir T. Fairfax.
The Speaker acquainted the House with a Letter
which he received of Sir Tho. Fairefax, (fn. *) which was read.
(Here enter it.)
Fleet to be sent to guard the West Coast.
Ordered, That this Letter be communicated to the
House of Commons, with a Desire that some of the
Navy may be presently sent out to the Guard of the
Western Parts; and that Care may be (fn. *) taken for the
providing Money for the Horse, and for Colonel
Massie's Horse; and that it may (fn. *) be referred to the
Committee of both Kingdoms, to take Care that the
Forces of the King's in these Midland Parts may not
come to prejudice the Western Parts while He prosecutes the Enemy in Cornwall.
Thanksgiving for the late Success.
Ordered, That Sunday next shall be kept as a Day
of Thanksgiving for this great Success of the Army, in
London, Westm. and within the Line of Communication,
and in all Parishes within the Bill of Mortality; and
Sunday come Fortnight within the rest of the Parts in
the Power of the Parliament.
Letter of Thanks to be sent to Sir T. Fairfax.
Ordered, That the Speaker do write a Letter, as
from this House, to Sir Tho. Fairefax, to give him
Thanks for his great Care and Vigilancy; and to let
him know, that this House hath taken into Consideration those Desires mentioned in his Letter.
Letters and Papers from the Scots Commissioners.
The Speaker acquainted this House with a Letter
from the Scotch Commissioners; which (fn. †) was read, with
Two other inclosed Papers. (Here enter it.)
"We send herewith our Answere to the Paper of
the House of Commons of the 12th of this Instant,
whereof a Copy is inclosed; and, desiring you to present them to the House of Peeres, we remaine
"Very affectionate Freinds
and humble Servants,
Worcester House, 20 Feb. 1646.
Papers between the H. C. and the Scots Commissioners.
Ordered, That this Business be taken into Consideration To-morrow Morning; and that the Members
of this House that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms (fn. *) do report to this House the Matter of Fact,
whether the Scotch Paper of the 27 of January was
sent to the House of Commons by the Committee of
both Kingdoms, or whether from the Scotts Commissioners to the Speaker of the House of Commons;
and whether the Answer of the House of Commons, of
the 12 Feb. 1645, was sent to the Committee of both
Kingdoms by the Members of both Houses of that
Committee, or whether by a Messenger to the Scotts
Commissioners from the Speaker of the House of Commons; and that there shall be a Search made what
Proceedings of the like Nature hath been in this
Answer from the H. C.
Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page returned with this
Answer to the Message sent on Saturday last to the
House of Commons:
That they agree that the Committee for Foreign Affairs shall meet this Afternoon, to take the Paper of
The States Ambassador into Consideration; and that
the said Committee meet To-morrow in the Afternoon,
upon the Spanish Ambassador's Paper: To all the rest
of the Particulars, they will take them into Consideration, and send an Answer by Messengers of their
Preacher at the Fast.
Ordered, That Mr. Jenkins is desired to preach
before the Lords on Wednesday, at the Fast; Mr. Ash
being designed for another Place.
Message to the H. C. that L. Conway and Sir G. Helles may raise 3000 Men for Venice;
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page:
To deliver to them the Petition of the Lord Viscount
Conway and Colonel Gervase Holles, with the Resolution of this House, That Three Thousand Men may be
raised, for the Service of the State of Venice, so that
good Security be given that the said Soldiers may be
landed within the Territories of Venice, and that they
be taken out of the Prisoners about this Town, and elsewhere within the Parliament's Quarters, wherein the
Concurrence of the House of Commons be desired.
for a Fleet to guard the West Coast;
2. To deliver Sir Tho. Fairfax' Letter to the House
of Commons; and to desire that the Ships appointed
for the Summer's Guard, which are agreed unto by
this House, and is now in the House of Commons,
may be speeded, and Order given that they may be put
about Money for Sir T. Fairfax and Gen. Massey;
That Money may be provided for the Forces under
the Command of Sir Tho. Fairefax, and likewise for
those belonging to Major General Massey.
for preventing the King's Forces about Oxford, &c. from molesting Sir T. Fairfax;
And that it be referred to the Committee of both
Kingdoms, to take Care of those Forces that are about
Oxford and in the Midland Parts of the Kingdom, so
as the Forces of the King's Garrisons may not disturb
or draw back any of the Forces of Sir Tho. Fairefax
from his Designs in the West.
and for a Thanksgiving.
That the next Lord's-day be appointed for a Day of
Thanksgiving, within the Line of Communication, for
this good Success; and that Sunday come Fortnight be
for the other Parts of the Kingdom.
Ordered, That the Business of Church Government shall be taken into Consideration on Thursday
Morning next, the First Business.
Paper from the H. C. to the Scots Commissioners, about the Manner of their resenting the Aspersions said to be thrown on the Scots and their Army by Members of the Committee of both Kingdoms.
"Paper of the House of Commons, 12 Febr. 1646/5;.
"Having considered your Lordships Paper of the
24th and 27th of January, we find therein many
passionate Expressions, which relate to some Matters
that have lately passed between your Lordships and
the Members of both Houses of the Committee of
both Kingdoms: What may seem of personal Concernment therein, for the Ends expressed in your
Lordships Paper, of pressing a good Correspondency
between the Two Kingdoms, and the Persons employed by them, to join in Councils for the Good of
both, we purposely pass by, as being not willing to
enter into a Contest about such Matters; especially
our Address at this present being not immediately to
the Kingdom of Scotland itself, whereunto we intend
shortly to send Commissioners of our own, with full
Instructions to give them Satisfaction concerning this
and all other Particulars: Only this we could have
wished, that your Lordships Vindication of yourselves, the Scotts Army, and the Kingdom of Scotland, had been without any Reflections upon some
Members of that Committee, who have done nothing but in Discharge of their Duties, and that with
as much Respect to your Lordships and the Kingdom
of Scotland as could be; and we could also wish that,
in a Paper of this Kind, the Expressions and Designations of Things and Persons might be more clear,
especially if there be an Intention that they should
be communicated to others as well as to the Houses
of Parliament, as we find that Paper of the 24th of
January hath been: As concerning the Interest and
Honour of the Kingdom of Scotland, we shall always
be most tender of them; and we hope the many
Testimonies and Pledges that we have given, and our
Brethren of Scotland have taken from us, of our
past, present, and future Thankfulness unto them,
for their brotherly Assistance, will take away all
Cause of Doubt or Fear from any, that they should
be turned over to God only for their Reward hereafter; much less that they should be recompensed
Evil for Good. We are likewise confident that our
Brethren of Scotland will believe, that no such Informations from unknown Authors can be able to make
any such Impression upon the Minds of the Houses of
Parliament, as to produce any such Effect as is the
Division of the Kingdoms, with all the tragical Consequences that may follow thereupon: Neither was
there any such Weight put upon those Informations,
but, upon the Earl of Lautherdall's Denial of the
Matters therein suggested, they had vanished into nothing, had not your Lordships pleased to express so
high a Resentment thereof; neither was what his
Lordship had delivered by Word of Mouth (fn. *) might be
entered in the Register of that Committee, which
also, when excepted against, was no further insisted
upon: What was done therein by the Members of
that Committee, as we have approved, so, if the
like Occasion should fall out hereafter, we could not
direct them to a better Course than to communicate
such Informations to the Committee of both Kingdoms, where, if there be Cause of Secrecy, they
are under an Oath of Secrecy, and if any Thing
concern the Kingdom of Scotland, their Commissioners are there present; and with this Particular concerning Robert Wright the Lord Lauderdaill was acquainted before-hand, and with the Intention of communicating thereof to that Committee,
there being many other Things in the Letters that
might be made Use of for the Public Service, whereunto his Lordship expressed no Dislike; nor could it
be any Prejudice to your Lordships or the Kingdom
of Scotland, but rather, on the other Side, it gave
you a fair Opportunity, if you pleased, to clear such
Mistakes as might beget any sinistrous Conceptions or
Misapprehensions in the Minds of Men, concerning
your Lordships, the Scotts Army, and the Kingdom
of Scotland itself, from whom, if Things be rightly
considered, those Members of the Committee, in
communicating unto it those Informations, deserve as
much Thanks for what they did therein as they have
most justly received it from us. Concerning the Author of those Letters subscribed Robert Wright, and
his Name, we can give your Lordships no farther Satisfaction than you have received already; but for the
unknown Knight, we shall put that into a Way to
give you Satisfaction in convenient Time; and if he,
or any other, upon due Trial, shall be found an Incendiary, we shall readily bring him to condign Punishment; not doubting but that we shall likewise
receive the like Justice from the Kingdom of Scotland, according to the Covenant and Treaty; which
having set up to be the Witnesses between us, before
God and Man, we shall always keep our Eyes fixed
upon them, as the Land-marks whereby we are to
steer our Course.
"H. Elsing, Cler. Parl. D. Com."
Scots Commissioners Answer to it.
Wee would not further have troubled the Honnorable Houses with this unpleasant Busines, but that
wee finde it necessary to rectify some Mistakes in the
Answere of the House of Commons to our Papers of
the 24th and 27th of January. Had wee beene conscious to ourselves, to our Army, or Kingdome, of
any such Guiltynes as the Letters read, or Informations mentioned, in the Committee of both Kingdomes, doe hould forth, wee might have beene
ashamed, and had Reason to bee passionate against
ourselves; but being confident in our owne Innocency
and theirs, and considering to what an Height the Delations did arise, it can bee noe just Cause of Offence,
that wee vindicate ourselves with the greater Earnestnes, and that our Expressions bee full of Hatred and
Detestation of such Crimes, and of Passion and Indignation against the Authors and Contrivers: As for
other personall Concernments or Reflection upon any
of the Members of the Honnorable Committee, wee
knowe none; only wee could have wished that Informations of soe high a Nature, and soe publique
Concernment, had not bin kept upp for soe long a
Tyme, but had bin freely and in a freindly Manner communicated unto us at the First Occasion, that
wee might have cleered ourselves, and given Sattisfaction to the Honnorable Committee; and wee could
alsoe wish that there may bee a Course taken against
the spreadinge of such Lyes and Calumnyes throughout the Citty and Country, as these were with much
Industry; or otherwise that there bee noe Offence
taken that wee vindicate ourselves by all good Meanes,
which wee did not till Seaven Dayes after, when the
Citty was filled with the Noise thereof, which did
meete us in every Place and Company. Wee desire
to bee thankfull for the smalest Testimonyes given
unto us, and receaved by us, for our brotherly Assistance; but wee doe not speake now of the Maintenance of our Army; what it hath bin, was formerly
represented and may bee further considered in (fn. *) their
owne Tyme: But when wee perceive our Integrity
and Faithfullnes, which is more to us then all the
Riches in England, to bee called in Question; when
wee see Jealousyes sett on Foote, and fomented by
evill Instruments, for drawing the Kingdomes into a
Division, against that Union which of late was layd as
a Foundation to soe many Blessings to both; when
wee consider the Opposition which is made to the
Settling of Religion, and Liberty permitted to all
Sorts of Sects, the Contagion whereof may endanger
the Purity of Religion and Unity of the Church of
Scotland; and when wee remember the Sufferings and
Losses of the Kingdome of Scotland at Home and
here in this Cause, which doe exceede all our Expressions; wee must crave Leave, till the Lord bee
pleased to dispose in annother Way upon the Second
Causes, to expect our Reward from God only,
who never recompenseth Evill for Good: And although wee doe wish that noe such Informations from
knowne or unknowne Authors may bee able to make
any such Impression upon the Mynde of the Houses of
Parliament as to produce any such Effects as is the
Devision of the Kingdomes, yet such bould Calumnyes, hearkened unto, make such an Impression as
might begett Suspition and Jealousyes, which in their
Nature come to noe lesse then that which is most to
bee avoyded. Wee desire not any more to trouble
the Honnorable Houses with the Debate that past
in the Committee; but wee beleeve the Members of
the Committee may remember, that Mr. Jermine his
Letter to Digby was alleadged after the Earle of Lauderdaill had denyed the Matters contayned in the
other Informations, and after the Motion of entering
his Denyall upon Record; that the Recording of
these Letters and the Denyall was urged by annother
Member to bee recorded, upon this Reason, That
Tyme might give Interpretation afterward; and that
the Recording of them was layd aside, not upon any
Unwillingnes or Exception of ours, but upon our
Motion, That, if these Calumnyes were soe farre
taken Notice of as to enter the Denyall of them upon
Record, there might bee more recorded with them,
especially our Desires to knowe the Authors. This
wee conceave to have bein the true State of the Fact.
Wee acknowledge wee had a faire Oppertunity to
cleere Mistakes, which we did at that Tyme by Word,
and were necessitated to doe since by Writing, against
which wee hoped noe Exception should have bin
taken; but that a Testimony of our vindicated Integrity should have bin retourned unto us from the
Justice of the Honnorable Houses; wee are not soe
unacquainted with the Mynde of the Parliament of
Scotland, but that wee perfectly knowe, when you
have sent your Commissioners into Scotland, you will
finde that Kingdome of the same Judgment with us concerning the whole Busines: And therefore wee doe
againe, in Name of that Kingdome, in all Earnestnes,
desire that all Meanes may bee used for the Discovery
of Robert Wright, wee haveinge as yet receavednoe Sattisfaction concerning him; and if he cannott bee found,
that noe Informations against us bee receaved from
such an infamous Libeller hereafter: And because the
Knight soe often mentioned is knowne to some of
the Members of the Honnorable House and Committee, our Desire is, That he may bee forthwith unbailed, and may have the Censure due unto his Deservings accordinge to the mutuall Covenant, then which
wee desire noe more, and are confident wil bee done
against such as transgresse in the like Kinde against the
Commissioners of this Kingdome when they goe into
Febr. 20th, 1646.
"By Comaund of the Commissioners of
the Parliament of Scotland.