House of Lords Journal Volume 8
19 March 1646

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 8: 19 March 1646', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 8: 1645-1647 (1767-1830), pp. 220-221. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=33983 Date accessed: 03 September 2014.


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DIE Jovis, 19 die Martii.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Goodwin.

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Kent.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Suffolke.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Essex.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Robertes.
Ds. Dacres.
Ds. North.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Howard.

Reparation of Courteen's Damages to be demanded of The States.

Upon reading the Petition of Wm. Courteene Esquire: It is Ordered, That a Letter be written, by the Speaker of this House, in the Name of the House, to Mr. Strickland, to promote and further the Petitioner's just Claim, to demand Damages and Reparations for his Ship and Goods taken from him by The States.

Chamberlayn and Nicolls.

Ordered, That this House do take into Consideration what Judgement to give, in the Cause between Mr. Chamb. and Nicolls, on Monday next.

Letter to Russia.

Ordered, That the Letter sent from the Parliament to the Emperor of Russia shall be sealed with some Seal that hath the Arms of the Kingdom of England.

Doughty's Ordinance to be Minister of Medborn.

An Ordinance was read Twice, for making Mr. Thomas Doughty Minister of Medborne, in the County of Leycester, in the Place of Dr. Herne.

Sir R. Carr sent for.

Ordered, That Sir Rob't Carr shall be brought to this House on Saturday Morning next, by the Gentleman Usher, notwithstanding any Restraint.

Jones and Heatherley versus Rutter and Fincham.

Upon reading the Petition of Thomas Jones and John Heatherley, against an undue Practice of Rutter and Fincham: It is Ordered, To be referred to these Lords following, who are to hear all Parties, and state the Business, and report the same to this House:

Comes Essex.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Warwicke.
Ds. Robertes.

Any Two of them to meet when they please.

E. of Newport's House at Fotheringhay to be preserved.

Upon reading the Petition of the Earl of Newport; complaining, "That he hath suffered great Damage, by the Spoil of his House at Fotheringbay, and cutting up of his Lead on his House, and his Pipes of Lead."

It is Ordered, That some of his own Servants may reside there, to preserve the House; and (fn. *) Inquiry be made what Persons they were that committed the Ofsence, in cutting up and spoiling the House.

Answer from the H. C.

Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That they agree in the Alteration in the Ordinance (fn. †) concerning the Great Seal of England.

(Here enter it.)

Paper from the Scots Commissioners, for discovering Wright, &c. who aspersed them.

A Paper was read, from the Scotts Commissioners, to desire that the unknown Knight and Robert Wright may be discovered, and the Business put into a Way of Examination; and Ordered, To be communicated to the House of Commons.

Message to the H. C. with it; and for Committees to meet, to draw up a Letter to the Prince.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Edw. Leech and Mr. Page:

To communicate to them the Paper from the Scotts Commissioners, concerning Robert Wright and the unknown Knight.

2. To desire that they would appoint a Committee, to meet with a Committee of Lords this Afternoon, to consider of drawing up of a Letter to be sent to the Prince, with the Vote for his Invitation.

Ordinance to prevent Abuses in Heraldry.

The Ordinance for preventing the Abuses in Coats of Arms, was read the Third Time, and Agreed to.

(Here enter it.)

The House was adjourned into a Committee during Pleasure, to take into Consideration the Paper received Yesterday from the Scotts Commissioners, concerning the Propositions.

The House was resumed.

Message from the H. C. with Ordinances, &c.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Gilbert Gherrard Baronet;

To desire their Lordships Concurrence in these Particulars:

1. An Order to pay Fifty Pounds to Mr. Fogg.

(Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

2. An Ordinance for Payment of Six Thousand Pounds, out of the Excise, for the Forces that are to follow the Forces of Sir Jacob Ashly.

Read Twice, and respited till To-morrow.

3. An Ordinance for Ten Thousand Pounds, out of the Excise, for the Use of the Forces of North Wales.

4. An Ordinance for Mr. Recorder of London to be Prothonotary and Clerk of the Crown of the Counties of Denbigh, Flint, and Mountgomery.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House agrees to the Order for paying Fifty Pounds to Mr. Fogg: To all the rest, this House will send them an Answer by Messengers of their own.

L. Morley and Mounteagle ordered into Custody.

The House being informed, "That the Lord Morley and Mounteagle is come to his House, Hollingberry in Essex, where he is weak, and indisposed to travel;"

It is Ordered, That the Gentleman Usher attending this House shall take him into his safe Custody, and give this House an Account of him when he shall be required.

Answer from the H. C.

Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That they have appointed a Committee of a proportionable Number, to meet with the Committee of Lords, this Afternoon, to draw up a Letter to be sent to the Prince, with the Vote; and as concerning the Paper touching the unknown Knight and Rob't Wright, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Ordinance to prevent Abuses in Heraldry.

"Whereas divers Persons have assumed to themselves the Use and Bearing of the Arms of several of the Nobility and Gentry of this Kingdom, whereby many Errors are crept in, and divers Abuses committed, since the Sitting of this Parliament, which may produce great Inconveniences and Debate hereafter, if seasonable Remedy be not provided: It is therefore Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That Algernoone Earl of Northumberland, Phillip Earl of Pembrooke and Mountgomery, Robert Earl of Essex, Charles Earl of Nottingham, William Earl of Salisbury, Robert Earl of Warwick, Bazill Earl of Denbigh, Oliver Earl of Bollingbrooke, Edward Earl of Manchester, William Viscount Say & Seale, Francis Lord Dacres, Dudly Lord North, John Lord Robertes, Edward Lord Howard of Escrike, Edward Lord Mountague, Phillip Lord Herbert, Charles Lord Cranborne, Phillip Lord Lisle, Denzill Hollis Esquire, William Pierpoint Esquire, Nathaniell Fynes Esquire, Sir Gilbert Gerrard Knight and Baronet, Sir William Lewis Baronet, Sir John Bampfeild Baronet, Sir Symones D'Ewes Knight and Baronet, Sir John Curson Baronet, Sir Benjamin Rudyard, Sir Phillip Stapilton, Bulstrod Whitlock Esquire, Henry Cholmleigh, Sir Henry Vane Junior, and Sir John Evelin Junior, Knights, Oliver St. John His Majesty's Solicitor General, Edmond Prideaux, Samuell Browne, John Glynn Recorder of the City of London, John Selden, John Crewe, John Lisle, John Maynard, Dennis Bond, William Ellis, Roger Hill, John Broxolme, and Edward Byshe, Esquires, Members of either House, or any Five of them, whereof One Lord and Two Commoners, shall hereby have Power to settle and regulate the Office and Officers of Arms, and all Abuses therein or otherwise committed; and to hear and determine all Manner of Offences and Abuses since the Beginning of this Parliament committed, or that shall be committed, in or by the bearing, assuming, giving, granting, or allowing, of any Coat or Scutcheon of Arms, or of any Crest thereto belonging; and in those Particulars only to supply the Offices of Constable and Marshal of England, in such Sort and Manner as to the Office of Constable and Marshal of England doth belong, or of Right have heretofore belonged."

Order for 50 l. for Mr. Fogg.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Mr. Fogge, the Minister, shall have the Sum of Fifty Pounds bestowed upon him, for his Pains in bringing the good News of the takingin the Castle of Hawarden; and that the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies at Habberdashers Hall do pay the same accordingly."

"An Ordinance of the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, for committing the Great Seal of England into the Hands and Custody of Commissioners therein named, and appointed by both Houses of Parliament.

Ordinance concerning the Great Seal.

"The Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled do Order and Ordain, and be it Ordained, That the Great Seal of England shall be committed to the Custody and Keeping of the Persons hereafter named, who are hereby ordained Commissioners for that Purpose, for and during the Time of Six Months from the passing of this present Ordinance; that is to say, unto Henry Earl of Kent and Oliver Earl of Bolingbrooke, Members of the House of Peers; and unto Oliver St. John Esquire His Majesty's Solicitor General, John Wild Serjeant at Law, Samuell Browne and Edmond Prideaux Esquires, Members of the House of Commons, which said Persons are hereby constituted and appointed to be Commissioners for the Custody of the said Great Seal of England, during the Time aforesaid; and they, or any Three or more of them (whereof One of the said Earls, or both of them, to be present), shall have, and are hereby authorized to have, the Custody, Keeping, Ordering, and Disposing thereof; as also all such and the like Powers and Authorities as any Lord Chancellor, or Lord Keeper, or Commissioners of the Great Seal, for the Time being, hath lawfully had and used, or ought to have had or used."

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* Origin inquire.
Deest in Originali.