House of Lords Journal Volume 8
24 March 1646

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 8: 24 March 1646', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 8: 1645-1647 (1767-1830), pp. 233-235. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=33987 Date accessed: 21 August 2014.


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DIE Martis, 24 die Martii.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Salawey.

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Kent.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Lyncolne.
Ds. North.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Robertes.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Bruce.

Letter from Sir T. Glemham, with One from the King.

The Speaker acquainted the House, "That a Trumpeter from Oxford brought him a Letter;" which was read, as follows:

"My Lord,

"By His Majesty's Command, I have here inclosed sent His Majesty's Letter, directed to your Lordship; to which I have nothing more to add, than that I am,

"My Lord,

"Your Lordship's humble Servant,

Oxford, the 23th of March, 1645.

"Tho. Glemham.

"For the Right Honourable my Noble Lord the Speaker of the House of Peers pro Tempore."

Next, the King's Letter was read, as follows.

Ordered, That this Letter be communicated to the House of Commons, at the next Conference. (Here enter it.)

Message from the H. C. with Orders, &c.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir John Danvers Knight;

To desire Concurrence in divers Particulars:

1. An Order to give Eighty Pounds to Captain Taylor. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

2. An Ordinance for Two Thousand Pounds, for Powder, &c. out of the Excise. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

3. An Ordinance for Six Thousand Pounds out of the Excise, for the Payment of the Officers of the Two Foot Regiments of Glo'ster, &c. (Here enter it)

Read, and Agreed to.

4. An Order for paying One Hundred Pounds to Major Temple. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

5. An Order to pay Mr. Cleve Twenty Pounds. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

6. An Order to pay Major Blundell One Hundred Pounds. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

7. An Order to pay Colonel Washborne One Hundred Pounds. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

8. An Order to give Twenty Pounds to the Messenger that came from North'ton. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

9. An Order to pay Mr. Row Twenty Pounds. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

10. An Order to pay Mr. Watson Twenty Pounds. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House agrees to all the Orders and Ordinances now brought; excepting to that concerning Mr. Row, to which their Lordships will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Col. Payne to be rewarded.

Ordered, To send to the House of Commons, to recommend Colonel Payne to them, to have some Reward for his Pains and Care in the Parliament's Service.

Message to the H. C. about the Letter from the King.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath:

To desire, at the next Conference, this House may communicate to them the Letter which this Day they received from the King.

Heralds Office to be opened.

Ordered, That the Heralds Office Door shall be opened again.

Heads for the Conference about the Propositions;

The Matter of the next Conference concerning the Propositions is,

"That the Lords sent down Two Propositions concerning the Militia of the City of London, which the Lords thought fit to insert instead of those that came from that House.

"That they received, at the last Conference, from them no Mention of their Second Proposition, which was to settle the Militia of the City of London and the Parts adjacent, as it was settled by the Proposition of Uxbridge.

"That the Lords observe, the Parliament takes not any ancient Privilege from Bristoll, or such Towns as have been most averse to the Parliament; and that the Merit of the City of London hath been eminent, as my Lords think fit rather to add than diminish any Favour towards them; and therefore they adhere to their former Votes sent down concerning the said City.

"As concerning the 15th Proposition, to let them know to what Persons this House adheres to, to be left out, and be kept in; with the Reasons of the House, upon the Debate of the Business.

and about the King's Letter.

"Concerning the King's Letter, to let them know, that this House desires their Concurrence, that it may be communicated to the Scotch Commissioners: And the Lords conceiving that there are divers Particulars in this Letter whereof a happy Use may be made, conducing to the Peace of the Three Kingdoms, do desire that a Committee of both Houses may be appointed, to consider of the Letter, and to frame an Answer to the said Letter, and to report the same to the Houses; which Answer being agreed upon by the Houses, it may be communicated to the Scotch Commissioners, and their Concurrence desired therein if they shall approve of it, that so by a joint Consent an Answer may be sent to His Majesty's Letter."

Committee to meet about it.

The House named these Lords following to meet about this Business:

Comes Sarum.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Essex.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Kent.
(fn. *) Lord Say.
Comes Warwicke.
Lord Grey.
Lord Wharton.
Lord Willoughby.
Lord Howard.
Lord Bruce.
Lord North.
Lord Robertes.

Any Five, to meet this Afternoon, in the Prince's Lodgings.

Parishoners of St. Gregory's, and Committee of St. Paul's.

Ordered, That the Committee concerning Gregorie's Parish shall meet on Friday next, in the Afternoon, at Three of the Clock, and the Parties.

Col. Lilburn's Petition.

Upon reading the Petition of Lieutenant Colonel Lylborne: It is Ordered, That it be referred to the same Committee formerly appointed concerning his Business.

King's Players Petition.

Upon reading the Petition of the King's Players: It is Ordered, To be specially recommended to the House of Commons, that they may have their Monies paid them, expressed in their Petition.

Message from the H. C. that they may communicate some Votes on Scots Papers.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir John Danvers Knight:

To let their Lordships know, that they have received some Papers from the Scotts Commissioners, upon which they have made some Votes; and they desire that they may have Liberty to communicate the same to their Lordships, at the next Conference.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House will receive, at the next Conference, what Votes they shall communicate concerning the Scotch Papers.

Answer from the H. C.

Dr. Aylett and Dr. Heath return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That they agree that the King's Letter shall be communicated to them at the next Conference.

Message to them, with Doughty's and the Leicester Hospital Ordinances;

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Dr. Aylett and Dr. Heath:

1. To desire their Concurrence in the Alteration in the Ordinance concerning the Hospital of Leycester.

and to remind them of the Business of Capt Cannon, and the Capt. of The Providence.

2. To put them in Mind of the Business of Captain Cannon.

3. To put them in Mind of the Business of the Captain of The Providence.

4. To desire their Concurrence in the Ordinance concerning Tho. Doughty to be presented to the Parsonage of Medborne.

Pettit & al. versus Rednes & al.

Ordered, That the Business of Petit, &c. against Rednes, &c. shall be heard, at this Bar, on Monday Morning next.

Sir J. Corbet to have the Benefit of Milton Manor.

Ordered, That it is referred to the Committee of Lords and Commons for Sequestrations, that Sir John Corbett may have the Benefit of the Manor of Milton, in the County of Buks, being the Estate of Wm. Stafford Esquire, and now in Mortgage to Sir Lewis Watson a Delinquent, for Reparation of his Losses and Damages sustained by the King's Forces, until the Mortgagemoney shall be satisfied to the said Sir John Corbett or his Assigns; and that it is referred to the aforesaid Committee, to order the Advantage of the said Estate unto him accordingly.

Mayor of Plymouth's Petition.

Upon reading the Petition of the Mayor of Plymouth and others: It is Ordered, To be referred to the Committee for Foreign Affairs, to relieve the Petitioners according to Justice.

Answer from the H. C.

An Answer was returned from the House of Commons, by Mr. Dr. Aylett and Mr. Dr. Heath, in these Particulars following:

1. That the said House of Commons doth agree to the Amendments sent down to them, concerning the Order for the Great Seal's remaining with the Clerk of the Parliaments.

2. They agree to the Amendments of the Order for Six Thousand Pounds sent down to them.

3. To the Petition of Sir Marmaducke Lloyd;

4. To the Petition concerning the Scotts Officers;

5. To the Business concerning the Lord Gray;

6. And to the Pass for Mr. Viliers and Sir Richard Willis; they will send Answer, by Messengers of their own.

Order for 80£. to Capt. Taylor.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Captain Tayler shall have the Sum of Four Score Pounds bestowed upon him; and that the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies at Habberdashers Hall, do pay the same accordingly."

Order for 2000£. for Ammunition and Cloaths for the Garrison of Hereford.

"It is this Day Ordained, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Two Thousand Pounds shall be paid in Course, with Interest, each Six Months, out of the Receipts of the Excise, to come in upon the Ordinance of 11 September, 1643, for providing of Powder, Match, Bullet, Arms, Ammunition, and Cloaths, for the Garrison and Forces of Hereford, unto Nathaniell Stephens, Thomas Hodges, and Thomas Pury, Esquires, or any of them, their or any of their Assignee or Assigns, whose respective Receipt or Receipts shall be a sufficient Warrant and Discharge unto the Commissioners of Excise for the Time being, and every of them, in that Behalf: And be it further Ordained, That if any well-affected Person or Persons shall consent to a present Advance of the said Two Thousand Pounds, or any Part thereof, by Way of Loan, that every such Person or Persons, their Executors, Administrators, or Assigns, shall be paid and reimbursed the several and respective Sum or Sums which he or they shall so advance, together with Interest for the same, after the Rate of Eight Pounds per Centum per Annum, at the End of every Six Months, for the respective Time of the Loan thereof, until the same become due, out of the Receipts of the Excise, in Form and Manner aforesaid; and the Certificate or Certificates of the said Nathaniell Stephens, Thomas Hodges, and Thomas Pury, or any of them, testifying the particular and respective Sum or Sums so lent, together with the respective and particular Receipt or Receipts of the Person or Persons advancing the same, their Executors, Administrators, or Assigns, shall be a sufficient Discharge unto the Commissioners of Excise for the Time being, for Payment of the said Two Thousand Pounds and Interest, and every Part and Parcel thereof, accordingly."

Order for 6000£. for the Officers of the Two Foot Regiments at Gloucester.

"It is this Day Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That Six Thousand Pounds be paid in Course, with Interest, each Six Months, out of the Receipts of the Excise, on the Ordinance of the 11th of September, 1643, towards the Payment of the present Officers of the Two Foot Regiments of Gloucester, upon the auditing of their Arrears, and to be accounted for so much of their Arrears; and the Commissioners of Excise or new Impost are hereby authorized to make Payment of the said Six Thousand Pounds to Mr. Nathaniell Stephens, Mr. Hodges, and Mr. Pury, Members of the House of Commons, or to any of them, their or any of their Assignee or Assigns, whose respective Receipt or Receipts shall be a sufficient Warrant and Discharge to the Commissioners of Excise for the Time being, and every of them, for the said Six Thousand Pounds, with Interest, and every Part thereof."

Order for 100£. to Major Temple.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Major Temple shall have the Sum of One Hundred Pounds bestowed upon him, to buy him Two Horses; and that the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies sitting at Habberdashers Hall do pay the same accordingly."

Order for 20£. to Mr. Cleeve.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Mr. Cleeve, Sir William Brereton's Servant, shall have the Sum of Twenty Pounds bestowed upon him; and that the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies sitting at Habberdashers Hall do forthwith pay the same unto him accordingly."

Order for 100£. to Major Blundell.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Major Blundell, of Abingdon Garrison, shall have One Hundred Pounds bestowed upon him, to buy him Two Horses, in Acknowledgement of his great Service lately and formerly performed by him; and that the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies fitting at Habberdashers Hall do forthwith pay the same unto him or his Assignee accordingly."

Order for 100£. to Col. Washborne.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Colonel Washbourne shall have One Hundred Pounds bestowed upon him, to buy him Two Horses, in Acknowledgement of his late and former Services; and that the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies sitting at Habberdashers Hall do forthwith pay the same accordingly."

Order for 10£. apiece to the Messengers from Northampton.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Trumpeter and the Messenger from Northampton shall have Ten Pounds apiece bestowed upon them; and that the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies sitting at Habberdash'rs Hall do forthwith pay the same accordingly."

Order for 20£. to Mr. Row.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Mr. Roe shall have Twenty Pounds bestowed upon him; and that the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies sitting at Habberdashers Hall do forthwith pay the same accordingly."

Order for 20£. to Mr. Watson.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Mr. Watson, the Messenger that brought the Letter from Colonel Morgan, from Cambden, of 22 March, 1645, with a List inclosed of the Officers in Commission taken Prisoners at the Fight near Stowe in the Wolds, in Gloucestersheir, shall have the Sum of Twenty Pounds bestowed upon him for his Pains; and that the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies sitting at Habberdashers Hall do forthwith pay the same accordingly."

Leter from the King, that He will disband His Forces, and return to the Parliament, if they will secure His Person, and pass an Act of Oblivion.

"CHARLES R.

"Notwithstanding the unexpected Silence instead of Answer to His Majesty's many and gracious Messages to both Houses, whereby it might appear that they desire to obtain their Ends by Force rather than Treaty, which might justly discourage His Majesty from any more Overtures of that Kind; yet His Majesty conceives that He should be too much wanting in His Duty to God, and in what He owes to the Safety of His People, if He should not endeavour to prevent the great Inconveniencies which might otherwise hinder a safe and well-grounded Peace: His Majesty, therefore, now proposeth, That, so He may have the Faith of His Two Houses of Parliament, for the Preservation of His Honour, Person, and Estate, and that Liberty be given to all those that do and have adhered to His Majesty to go to their own Houses, and there to live peaceably, enjoying their Estates, all Sequestrations being taken off, without being compelled to take any Oath not enjoined by the undoubted Laws of the Kingdom, or being put to any other Molestation whatsoever, He will then immediately disband all His Forces, and dismantle all His Garrisons, and, being accompanied with His Royal not Martial Attendance, return to His Two Houses of Parliament, and there reside with them: And, for the better Security of all His Majesty's Subjects, He proposeth, That He, with His said Two Houses, immediately upon His coming to Westm. do pass an Act of Oblivion and Free Pardon, and where His Majesty will further do whatsoever they shall advise Him unto, for the Peace and Good of this Kingdom.

"As for the Kingdom of Scotland, His Majesty hath no Mention of it herein, in regard of the great Loss of Time which must needs be spent in expecting an Answer from thence; but declares, That, immediately upon His coming to Westm'r, He will apply Himself to give them all Satisfaction touching that Kingdom.

"If His Majesty could possibly doubt the Success of this Offer, He might use many Arguments to persuade them to it; but shall only insist on that great one, of giving an instant Peace to these afflicted Kingdoms.

"Given at Our Court at Oxon, the Three and Twentieth Day of March, One Thousand Six Hundred Forty-five.

"To the Speaker of the House of Peers pro Tempore; to be communicated to the Two Houses of Parliament at Westm. and the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland."

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