House of Lords Journal Volume 8
6 August 1646

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 8: 6 August 1646', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 8: 1645-1647 (1767-1830), pp. 453-457. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=34084 Date accessed: 25 November 2014.


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DIE Jovis, 6 die Augusti.
Ordinance for Payment of Artificers. Message from the H. C. for the E. of Salisbury to be sworn as a Commissioner of the Great Seal; and for the Seals from Oxford to be broke; and with Ordinances. Answer. L. Savill not to come within the Lines. Lady Moor's Petition. Officers, &c. Widows, Petition. Letter from the Commissioners with the King. Ordinance for Street to be Minister of Hurst Pierpoint; and for Nicholas to be Minister of Southweald. Ordinance for Elliston to be Minister of Stanford Rivers. Ordinance for taking the Accompts of the Scots Army. Order for appointing Ministers for South Wales. Message from the H. C. with as Ordinance. Answer. Sword of State from Oxford. Ordinance for the Forces in the Northern Association to have the Moiety of the Excise there. Orders, &c. for Concurrence. Message to the H. C. about these Particulars. Ordinance to explain the One for a New Excise for Payment of Artificers. L. Savill's Petition, for Leave to come within the Lines, to settle his Composition, &c. Letter from the Commissioners with the King, that they are on their Return; but have received no Answer to the Propositions. Newcastle, 2 Aug. 1646. Commissioners to take the Accompts of the Scots Army before Newark. Order for 1000 l. for Col. Celie's Regiment. Commissioners for taking the Accompts of the Soldiery in Ireland. Committee at Goldsmiths Hall to administer the Oath of Abjuration to Delinquents. Order for 10 l. for Tarrant, from Oxford. Order for 750 l. to Col. Hill. Order for 1500 l. to Stewart, and 400 l. to Grey. Order for Cave and Hobert to be Treasurers of the Moiety of the Excise of Leicester. Dickson's Works not to be printed without his Licence. Order for disbanding the Garrisons of Newport Pagnell, &c.; to continue the Eastern Association; and to provide Money to transport Forces from thence for Ireland. Adjourn. Footnotes

DIE Jovis, 6 die Augusti.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Ford.

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Essex.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Kent.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Northumb.
Ds. North.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Hunsdon.

Ordinance for Payment of Artificers.

The Lord Viscount Say & Seale reported from the Committee, the Ordinance for Continuance of the Excise for the Payment of the Artificers, as fit to pass as it came from the House of Commons; and it being read the Third Time, it was Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

Message from the H. C. for the E. of Salisbury to be sworn as a Commissioner of the Great Seal; and for the Seals from Oxford to be broke;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Tho. Dacres Knight:

1. To desire that the Earl of Sarum may be sworn One of the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England, and the Seal delivered in the Presence of both Houses; and that, at the same Time, the Seals that came from Oxford, which are ordered to be broken, may likewise, in the Presence of both Houses, be broken accordingly.

and with Ordinances.

2. To desire Concurrence in divers Ordinances:

1. The Commissioners of the Great Seal to issue Commissions for taking Accompts of the Soldiery in Ireland.

2. An Order for Colonel Hill to have Seven Hundred and Fifty Pounds.

3. An Order for Colonel Hill, for One Thousand Two Hundred and Fifty Pounds, out of the Assessment of Ireland.

4. Order for Fifteen Hundred Pounds, and Four Hundred Pounds, unto Henry Stewart and James Grey.

5. An Ordinance for Continuance of the Ordinance for the Pay of the Garrisons of the Eastern Association.

6. An Order for Continuance of the Ordinance for the County of Derby.

7. An Order for disgarrisoning of the Garrisons of Shropshire.

8. An Order for appointing Treasurers to receive the Moiety of the Excise for the County of Leyecster.

9. An Ordinance for Two Hundred Pounds per Annum to Mr. Peters, out of my Lord of Worster's Lands in Acton.

10. To desire Expedition in the Ordinance concerning selling of Delinquents Estates.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House agrees to the swearing of the Earl of Sarum One of the Commissioners of the Great Seal of England, and that the same may be delivered to him in the Presence of both Houses; and that, at the same Time, those Seals that were brought from Oxford shall be broken in the Presence of both Houses; and that this House appoints the same to be done on Tuesday Morning next, at Ten of the Clock: To all the rest of this Message, their Lordships will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

L. Savill not to come within the Lines.

Upon reading the Petition of the Lord Savill;

(Here enter it.)

This Question was put, "Whether the Lord Savill shall have Leave to come within the Lines of Communication?"

And it was Resolved in the Negative.

Lady Moor's Petition.

Upon reading the Petition of Dame Alice Moore, Relict of Charles Lord Viscount Moore, of Drogh'da: It is Ordered, To be recommended to the House of Commons.

Officers, &c. Widows, Petition.

Upon reading the Petition of poor Widows, that have lost their Husbands in the Service of the Parliament: It is Ordered, To be recommended to the House of Commons, for some Relief for the Petitioners.

Letter from the Commissioners with the King.

A Letter from the Earl of Pembrooke and the Earl of Suff. was read. (Here enter it.)

Ordinance for Street to be Minister of Hurst Pierpoint;

An Ordinance was presented to this House this Day, for making Mr. Streete, Minister, to be Rector and Parson of Hurst Perpointe, in the County of Sussex; which was read, and Agreed to; and Ordered to be sent down to the House of Commons, for their Concurrence.

and for Nicholas to be Minister of Southweald.

An Ordinance was read, for settling Mr. Nicholas Folkingham in the Vicarage of Southweald, in the County of Essex, and Agreed to.

Ordinance for Elliston to be Minister of Stanford Rivers.

An Ordinance for settling Mr. Elliston in the Rectory of Stanford Rivers, in the County of Essex, [ (fn. *) was read,] and Agreed to.

Ordinance for taking the Accompts of the Scots Army.

The Ordinance for Commissioners to take the Accompts of the Scotts Army in the County of Nottingham, was read, and Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

Order for appointing Ministers for South Wales.

The Order for appointing Ministers to be sent into South Wales, to preach, was read.

It is Ordered, That it is referred to the Assembly of Divines, to have their Opinions certified to this House concerning their Abilities for discharging the Work of the Ministry.

Message from the H. C. with as Ordinance.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Anth. Erby Baronet:

To desire Concurrence in an Order for disbanding the Garrisons of Newport Pagnall, &c. and continuing of the Ordinance for the Eastern Association, for providing Monies to transport Forces out of those Counties for the Service of Ireland. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House agrees to this Order now brought up. Ordered, That this Order be printed and published.

Sword of State from Oxford.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Sword of State, now sent from Oxford, be disposed of to the Custody of the Master of the Jewels."

Ordinance for the Forces in the Northern Association to have the Moiety of the Excise there.

The Ordinance for allowing the Moiety of the Excise in the Northern Association, for maintaining the Forces there for Four Months longer, was read, and committed to the Consideration of these Lords following:

Comes Northumb.
Comes Essex.
Comes Manchester.
E. Warwicke.
Comes Rutland.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Willoughby.

Any Three, to meet on Tuesday Morning next, at Ten of the Clock; and to report the same to this House.

Orders, &c. for Concurrence.

The Order for One Thousand Pounds, charged upon the Excise of the Town of Lyme, for Colonel Celie's Regiment, was read, and Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

The Order for the Commissioners of the Seal to issue Commissions for taking Accompts of the Soldiery in Ireland, was read, and Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

The Order for the Committee at Gouldsmithes Hall to have Power to administer the Oath of Abjuration to Papists, was read, and Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

The Order for Tarrant the Messenger to have Ten Pounds given him, was read, and Agreed to.

(Here enter it.)

The Order for Colonel Hill to have Seven Hundred and Fifty Pounds, was read, and Agreed to.

(Here enter it.)

The Ordinance for Fifteen Hundred Pounds to Mr. James Stuart, was read, and Agreed to.

(Here enter it.)

The Order for appointing Commissioners to receive the Moiety of the Excise in the County of Leycester, was read, and Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

Message to the H. C. about these Particulars.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Doctor Aylett and

To put them [ (fn. *) in Mind] of the Lady Grey's Business, and Colonel Slaughter's Business, and Mr. Murray's Business.

Ordinance to explain the One for a New Excise for Payment of Artificers.

"For the better putting in Execution and Explanation of an Ordinance of Parliament, dated the 24th of November, in the Year 1645, for an additional Excise, or new Impost, for Payment of the Artificers and others:

"Be it Declared and Ordained, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Twenty Hundred Weight shall be accounted for One Fother of Lead; and that the Maker or Smelter thereof shall be liable to the Payment of Five Shillings the Fother, as well as the First Buyer, if he be Exporter thereof.

"That Four Pence shall be paid, by Way of Excise, for every Ounce Troy, and so for a greater or lesser Quantity proportionably, of Silver or Gold, that any Refiner, Gold-smith, Gold-drawer, or other, shall prepare, melt down, or disgross, or cause to be prepared, melted down, or disgrossed, for Wire; the same to be paid by every such Refiner, Gold-smith, Golddrawer, or other, at the Bar where the same shall be disgrossed.

"That Eight Pence shall be paid upon every Pound Weight, containing Sixteen Ounces Avoirdupois, so proportionably for a greater or lesser Quantity, of all Copper or other Metal, that any Wire-drawer, Goldsmith, or other, shall prepare, make fit, or disgross, or cause to be prepared, fitted, or disgrossed, for Wire; the same in like Manner to be paid by every such Wire-drawer, Gold-smith, or other, at the Bar, where the same shall be disgrossed.

"And be it likewise Declared and Ordained, by Authority aforesaid, as well for the securing, discovering, and collecting, of the several Sums of Money imposed and declared by this present Ordinance upon all Silver, Gold, Copper, and other Metal disgrossed for Wire, as to prevent the false making of those Commodities, and that the Excise may be levied equally upon all the Makers thereof, that all Gold, Silver, Copper, and other Metal, to be disgrossed for Wire as aforesaid, be brought to One certain Place or Places, appointed, or to be appointed, by the Commissioners of Excise, within the City or County where such Metal is prepared or fitted, and there disgrossed, and not elsewhere; and that no Bars, Benches, Screws, Engines, or other Instruments for disgrossing, be used or allowed in any other Place, upon Forfeiture of all such Silver, Gold, Copper, or other Metal, as shall be found to be disgrossed elsewhere, or Double the Value thereof, to be levied, raised, or disposed of, in such Manner and Form as is directed by the Thirteenth and Fifteenth Articles of the Ordinance of Excise, of the 11th of September, 1643; and for the better Encouragement of all Traders and Dealers in any of the said Commodities, that, for all Waste that shall arise and be made in the disgrossing or working of any the said Gold, Silver, Copper, and other Metal, the same being brought in like Manner, and at the same Place afterward melted down, such Abatements and Allowances shall be made and given as shall be thought fit by the Commissioners of Excise, or such as they shall appoint under their Hands and Seals.

"And for Prevention of all Fraud that may otherwise be practised to elude this Ordinance, be it in like Manner Ordained, That all right Silver, and Silver and Gold Thread, be made up into Skeins, and all Copper and Brass Thread into Skeins, or on Quills, and brought in like Manner to a certain Place or Places, appointed, or to be appointed, by the Commissioners of Excise, there to be marked or sealed with such Mark or Seal as shall be made or appointed by the said Commissioners, upon Penalty of like Forfeiture before expressed: Provided, That no Officer, or other, shall take or demand any Fee or Reward whatsoever, of any Trader or Dealer in any of the said Commodities, for that Service.

"And for the better Encouragement and Increase of the said Manufacture in that Kingdom, be it likewise Ordained, That all Gold, Silver, and Copper Thread, imported, or to be imported, shall pay, by Way of Excise and new Impost, in every Twenty Shillings Value thereof, and so proportionably for a greater or lesser Quantity (besides the Rate already imposed), Twelve Pence; the same to be paid by the First Buyer thereof from the Merchant, Importer, or Ingrosser, and shall be received and collected and issued forth in such Manner, and to such Intents and Purposes, as are appointed and directed by the said Ordinance of the 24th of November last, first abovementioned; and likewise that the same, before Sale thereof, be sealed or marked in like Manner as the Native Silver, and Silver and Gold Thread, upon Penalty of like Forfeiture as is before expressed, without any Fee or Reward also had or given to any Officer employed for that Service.

"And it is further Ordained and Declared, by Authority aforesaid, That all Linseed Oil, Whale Oil, Rape Oil, Pilchard, and all other Oils, made and spent in this Kingdom, formerly set at Twelve Pence, shall now pay only Six Pence upon every Twenty Shillings Value, and so proportionably for a greater or lesser Quantity, to be paid also by the First Buyer; and the Maker to account every Month for all Oils made and delivered, upon Pain of Five Shillings, to be forfeited and levied by Distress, for every Default therein.

"That the Excise of Six Pence, charged upon every Twenty Shillings Value of Silks dyed, besides the Twelve Pence at first imposed, was and is intended, and hereby declared, to be received and levied on Silk dyed; and that the same, as also the Excise of Three Pence upon every Twenty Shillings Value of Silk in the Gums already thrown, shall be paid by the respective First Buyer thereof.

"That the several and respective Rates of Excise laid and imposed on the several and respective Sorts of Soap made in this Kingdom, over and besides what the same were at first charged with, and ordained to be paid by the First Buyer, shall be all respectively paid by the Maker thereof; and likewise that the Addition of Eighteen Pence the Firkin made to the Eighteen Pence before imposed on Soap imported, be taken off the Firkin, and paid and levied on every Twenty Shillings Value thereof, and so proportionably for a greater or lesser Quantity, by the First Buyer thereof from the Merchant or Importer.

"And lastly, That all Lamperns for Bait of Codfish, rated at Ten Shillings the Thousand, shall pay only Twelve Pence in the Thousand Excise."

L. Savill's Petition, for Leave to come within the Lines, to settle his Composition, &c.

"To the Right Honourable the House of Peers.

"The humble Petition of the Lord Viscount Savile;

"Sheweth,

"That your Petitioner is, by your Lordships Command, bound in a Recognizance, with Two Sureties, not to come within the Line of Communication; which your Petitioner hath punctually and carefully observed, though not without great Prejudice to his Affairs, by reason of the many Troubles and Debts which lie upon him.

"Now so it is, that your Petitioner is, according to an Order of the House of Commons, to prosecute his Composition; to effect which he is no Ways able to do, either by finishing the same, or providing Monies for it, or his own Subsistence, so long as he continues under this Restraint.

"The Petitioner therefore humbly prayeth, your Lordships would be pleased to extend your noble Favour to him, so far as to take off this Restraint, by withdrawing the said Recognizance; and that he may have the Liberty to follow his Composition, which your Lordships have afforded unto others.

"And he shall pray, &c.

"Savile."

Letter from the Commissioners with the King, that they are on their Return; but have received no Answer to the Propositions.

"For the Right Honourable the Earl of Manchester, Speaker of the House of Peers pro Tempore. These.

"My Lord,

"We are sorry we cannot acquaint you with so good Success of our Employment, as we have faithfully endeavoured in Pursuance of our Instructions. This Morning we took our Leave of the King; and, though our Importunities have been frequent and earnest, we cannot obtain His Majesty's Consent, nor Answer any Ways satisfactory.

"His Majesty hath given us a Paper (other than which we could not procure, notwithstanding our much Earnestness), containing Offers to come to London; which we thought not fit to send, because we know not whether the Houses will take Notice of it, being no direct Answer to the Propositions. We are hasting away with all Speed to give you an Account of our whole Proceedings. Thus much we thought fit humbly to represent, and take Leave; being,

"Your Lordship's humble Servants,

Newcastle, 2 Aug. 1646.

"Pembroke & Mountg.

"Suffolke."

Commissioners to take the Accompts of the Scots Army before Newark.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled, That Edward Ayscough, John Wood, John Moseley, and Richard Dobson, Esquires, George Flower and Richard Brough Gentlemen, be nominated and appointed Commissioners, for the taking of the Accompts of all Free Billet and Assessments imposed upon the County of Nottingham, for the Maintenance of the Scotts Army, during their lying before Newarke."

Order for 1000 l. for Col. Celie's Regiment.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Sum of One Thousand Pounds be charged upon the Excise of the Town of Lyme, and paid, upon Accompt and Muster, to Colonel Celye's Regiment; and the Receipt of Major Peter Celie, or his Assigns, shall be a sufficient Discharge unto the Sub-commissioners of Excise at Lyme, as also unto the Chief Commissioners of Excise at London, for the said One Thousand Pounds."

Commissioners for taking the Accompts of the Soldiery in Ireland.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Commissioners of the Great Seal do issue out Commissions to such Persons as the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland shall nominate unto them, for the taking the Accompts of what hath been taken by the Soldiery in Ireland, by Assessment, Billet, Free Quarter, Money, or other Goods, to the End it may be discounted upon the Pay and Entertainment of the Soldiery."

Committee at Goldsmiths Hall to administer the Oath of Abjuration to Delinquents.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Power be given to the Committee at Goldsmiths Hall, and they are hereby enjoined and required, to administer to all such Persons as shall come in to compound, that they shall suspect to be Papists, the Oath of Abjuration."

Order for 10 l. for Tarrant, from Oxford.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Ten Pounds be bestowed upon John Tarrant, the Messenger that brought the good News from the Army before Oxon; and that the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies sitting at Habberdash'rs Hall do pay the said Ten Pounds to him accordingly.

Order for 750 l. to Col. Hill.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Sum of Seven Hundred and Fifty Pounds be charged upon the Receipts of Monies coming in at Habberdash'rs Hall, to be forthwith paid unto Colonel Arthur Hill, or his Assigns, in full of the Remainder of a Debt stated by the Committee for Irish Affairs to be Two Thousand Pounds, for Monies laid out by him for the Use of the Forces in Ulster, and Interest for the same; and that Interest, after the Rate of Eight Pounds per Centum, be likewise allowed and paid, out of the said Receipts, to any Person or Persons that shall advance or lend the said Seven Hundred and Fifty Pounds, or any Part thereof, for the Service aforesaid; and that the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies sitting at Habberdash'rs Hall do pay the said Seven Hundred and Fifty Pounds Principal Money to the Advancers and Lenders thereof, their Executors, Administrators, or Assigns, with Interest as aforesaid; and the said Committee are enjoined to see that Payment be made accordingly."

Order for 1500 l. to Stewart, and 400 l. to Grey.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Sum of Fifteen Hundred Pounds, and the Sum of Four Hundred Pounds, respectively be paid; (videlicet) unto Henry Stewart Esquire, Fifteen Hundred Pounds; and unto James Grey Merchant, Four Hundred Pounds; out of the Estate of Sir George Radcliff, now sequestered; in full Satisfaction and Reparation of the Damages and Losses sustained by the said Henry Stewart and James Grey, upon an unjust and wrongful Sentence given in the Star-chamber in Ireland against them: And hereof all Committees of Sequestrations are to take Notice, and take Care that this Ordinance be put in due Execution."

Order for Cave and Hobert to be Treasurers of the Moiety of the Excise of Leicester.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Mr. William Cave and Mr. Hobert be nominated and appointed Treasurers, to receive the Moiety of the Excise granted by former Order to the County of Leicester; and that the Acquittance or Acquittances of the said Mr. William Cave and Mr. Hobert, or either of them, shall be a sufficient Discharge to the Commissioners of Excise, upon the passing of their Accompts."

Dickson's Works not to be printed without his Licence.

"Ordered, by the Lords in Parliament assembled, That none shall print the Book, intituled, ("Expositio analytica omnium Apostolicarum Epistolarum, seu brevis Introductio ad pleniores Commentarios, in Usum Studiosorum Theologiæ. Opera Davidis Dicksoni, in Academiâ Glascuensi Theologiæ Professoris,") without a special Licence from the Author, under his Hand-writing."

Order for disbanding the Garrisons of Newport Pagnell, &c.; to continue the Eastern Association; and to provide Money to transport Forces from thence for Ireland.

"It is Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the several Garrisons of Newport Pagnell, Cambridge, Huntingdon, and Bedford, be forthwith slighted and demolished; and that the Committees and Deputy Lieutenants of the several Counties, or any Five or more of them, where the said Garrisons are respectively, are hereby required and authorized forthwith to take some effectual Course for slighting and demolishing the said Garrisons, and to cause the said Garrisons to be slighted and demolished; and that all Officers and Soldiers, and all other Persons whatsoever, be aiding and assisting unto them in such Commands; and if any Opposition or Mutiny do happen in the Execution of this Ordinance, that the Deputy Lieutenants and Committees of the several Counties, in or near such Places where such a Mutiny or Opposition shall happen, shall and may levy what Forces of the respective Counties they hold sitting, to suppress such Mutiny and Opposition; and to commit the Offenders to Prison, to be further punished as both Houses of Parliament shall hold sitting.

"And it is further Ordered, That the Seven Companies of Lyn Regiment, belonging to the Garrisons of Lyn and Boston, and all the Officers and Soldiers, both Horse and Foot, of Newport Pagnell, Cambridge, Huntingdon, and Bedford, be forthwith entertained and employed for the Service of Ireland; and such as shall willingly offer themselves in that Service shall have One Month's Pay forthwith paid unto them, by the Treasurers of the said Garrisons respectively, upon Muster, and their Debentures forthwith cast up; and what is or shall be due unto them, their Quarters being deducted, since their Entertainment in the said Garrisons respectively, from the First of June, 1645, shall be paid unto them, or their Assigns in their Absence, before any other; which Sums of Money are to be raised out of the Assessments for the Garrisons of the Eastern Association, which are hereby required forthwith to be raised.

"And it is further Ordered, That such as shall be employed for Ireland as aforesaid shall also have One other Month's Pay, to be paid as aforesaid, at the Place of their Rendezvous, that shall be appointed by the Committee for Irish Affairs.

"And it is further Ordered, That such Common Soldiers as shall refuse to go for Ireland shall be forthwith disbanded, and their Horses and Arms taken from them, by the said Committee and Deputy Lieutenants of the several Counties respectively, and by them to be kept till further Order.

"And whereas the Ordinance for the Payment of the said Garrisons did expire the First of June now last past: It is Ordered, That the said Ordinance, and all Assessments and Payments, and all Powers and Authorities therein mentioned, shall continue to all Intents and Purposes to the First Day of September, 1646, now next ensuing, and no longer.

"And lastly it is Ordered, That the Committee of Lords and Commons for the Eastern Association do take Care that this present Ordinance be put in Execution; and that, if any Persons do mutiny, oppose, or hinder the Execution of this Ordinance, that the said Committee, or any Five or more of them, shall have Power to send for him or them so offending, to commit them to Prison, and therewith to acquaint the Houses, that further Punishment may be inflicted upon them, according to their Demerits."

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 10, Tuesday Morning next.

Footnotes

* Bis in Originali.
* Deest in Originali.